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Tithing only works for the rich or an agriculture society.
In other words, the an apple tree is going to produce apples and I don't have to do any work except give one out of ten apples.
In a non agriculture society, I'm stuck with having work or not having work. I'm stuck with how much my employer will pay me. I also go years without raises or compensation for my time. When we lose business, they stop paying us.
In other words, the an apple tree is going to produce apples and I don't have to do any work except give one out of ten apples.
In a non agriculture society, I'm stuck with having work or not having work. I'm stuck with how much my employer will pay me. I also go years without raises or compensation for my time. When we lose business, they stop paying us.
Abram kept none of the war spoils, RobbyEarl. A tenth went to Melchizedek and the rest to the King of Sodom. A widow put two mites - all of her livelihood - in an offering. A ruler was told by Jesus to sell everything he had and give it to the poor and that he would have treasure in heaven.
Do you own anything? Where is your faith? You cannot out give God it will not happen. Should all of us give up all our money, sell all we own(computers included), and follow Jesus?
Try these 3 T/F statements:
5. T/F - In O.T. times, one tithe was due on agriculture and livestock.
7. T/F - In O.T. times, tithing was done on agriculture every year.
8. T/F - In O.T. times, the Israelites were encouraged to tithe on cash/coins/precious metals.
Do you own anything? Where is your faith? You cannot out give God it will not happen. Should all of us give up all our money, sell all we own(computers included), and follow Jesus?
Try these 3 T/F statements:
5. T/F - In O.T. times, one tithe was due on agriculture and livestock.
7. T/F - In O.T. times, tithing was done on agriculture every year.
8. T/F - In O.T. times, the Israelites were encouraged to tithe on cash/coins/precious metals.
In the Bible, there is no indication or evidence that either Abraham, or the Levites, or Jesus, or the Apostles, tithed their monetary household income to Tabernacle, Temple, Synagogue or Church.
If I am deemed to be a God robber because I do not tithe my monetary income, then they too are all God robbers like myself. LoL
If I am deemed to be a God robber because I do not tithe my monetary income, then they too are all God robbers like myself. LoL
I have answered this on several occasions. Paul starts by saying 'am I not an apostle?' There's your context. Apostle. A traveling preacher. Not an elder in a local body.
The 24 thousand priests took turns at the altar. So each individual did not serve but a short period. A complicated system at best.
Those Levites that remained in the 48 levitical cities tended to the flocks and herds that were tithe animals along with crops.
They would bring a tenth of the total tenth to the acting priests and their helps.
This means that what the temple priest got is not ten percent but a hundredth and it was food only, not cash on the barrel.
But the NT pastors did not even receive or demand or command a hundredth.
As those that received daily sustenance so should the folks help support your local itenerent preacher, not the local elders that care for the sheep without charge, working jobs according to Acts 20.
And no one hates Abraham. Despence with the accusations. I get that your upset. We are using scripture to refute the lie of the tithe. You're bound to get a little hot under the clerical collar. No problem. We'll work through it.
You said something about obeying the voice of God's Spirit. Count me in. But should not God's written word line up with what that voice is saying?
Proberbs 14:12 There is a way that seems right unto a man but the result is destruction..
My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge....Hosea 4:6
Ok now that I answered your question...
Just one simple question for you. Why are the pastors commanded to work secular jobs in Acts 20?
I didn't say it. You said they should be paid 'double salaries'. I asked how. Your spinning. This is the no spin zone, don't you know.
You say it is possible to pay 10,000 a week in salaries. But are they? They better be according to your take on 1Tim. 5:17
A lot of wonderful works. 'Lord did we not prophesy in Your name, and cast out demons in Your name, and do mighty miracles in Your name?. And Jesus will answer ' I never knew you. Depart from me you lawless'.
Wonderful works do not save you. Doing His will, keeping His commands will. Saved by grace and kept by obedience.
Any ministry based on lies and any other thing than His word will burn up on judgment day.
Glad you helped the poor but the doctrine you base it on is heavily laden with sand.
You say it is possible to pay 10,000 a week in salaries. But are they? They better be according to your take on 1Tim. 5:17
A lot of wonderful works. 'Lord did we not prophesy in Your name, and cast out demons in Your name, and do mighty miracles in Your name?. And Jesus will answer ' I never knew you. Depart from me you lawless'.
Wonderful works do not save you. Doing His will, keeping His commands will. Saved by grace and kept by obedience.
Any ministry based on lies and any other thing than His word will burn up on judgment day.
Glad you helped the poor but the doctrine you base it on is heavily laden with sand.
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We are saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9) We are also kept by grace (by the power of God-1 Peter 1:3-5)
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1 Peter 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
1 Peter 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
The "works" we do are the result of our salvation, but those "works" do not keep us saved. We "work out" that which God has already "worked in" us. (Ephesians 2:10)
Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Works that are built what Christ has instilled in us bring rewards (1 Corinthians 3:8-15)
1 Corinthians 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1 Corinthians 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1 Corinthians 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
The man made doctrine of monetary tithing is a "work" which is NOT built upon the foundation of Jesus Christ. It will be burned as "hay, wood, and stubble."
"Only one life, 'twill soon be past, Only what's done for Christ will last." (not sure where that quote comes from)
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1 Peter 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
1 Peter 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
The "works" we do are the result of our salvation, but those "works" do not keep us saved. We "work out" that which God has already "worked in" us. (Ephesians 2:10)
Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Works that are built what Christ has instilled in us bring rewards (1 Corinthians 3:8-15)
1 Corinthians 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1 Corinthians 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1 Corinthians 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
The man made doctrine of monetary tithing is a "work" which is NOT built upon the foundation of Jesus Christ. It will be burned as "hay, wood, and stubble."
"Only one life, 'twill soon be past, Only what's done for Christ will last." (not sure where that quote comes from)