Tithe!

[Word_Swordsman]

Paper money is not the fruit of the tree. It is the invention of man. Man designs the shape of the bill. Man etches the picture and words on that paper.

Specifically, it is the government that mints money, not a tree, not a mine.

The Jews of old had their own mint, and honored world mints like that coin Jesus spoke of with Caesar's image. None could do commerce outside of that. God gave all governments, most if not all either creating money or accepting money of another nation.

What you seem to be teaching is that if I work 40 hours at a grocery store, I should accept payment in lamb meat and kosher foods as a salary so I can tithe some of that to a Levite somewhere, before the "Sell by" date? The man-made currency I've been taking is invalid because it is issued by the government that God ordained for me?

Send those putrid dollars you keep receiving to me. I know what to do with them.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

The Jews of old had their own mint, and honored world mints like that coin Jesus spoke of with Caesar's image. None could do commerce outside of that. God gave all governments, most if not all either creating money or accepting money of another nation.

What you seem to be teaching is that if I work 40 hours at a grocery store, I should accept payment in lamb meat and kosher foods as a salary so I can tithe some of that to a Levite somewhere, before the "Sell by" date? The man-made currency I've been taking is invalid because it is issued by the government that God ordained for me?

Send those putrid dollars you keep receiving to me. I know what to do with them.

Just as you prove your inability to understand Scriptures, you prove your inability to understand me.

I am not saying to get paid for working in food instead of money. I am in agreement with the Word of God. His commanded tithe was NOT money.

By the way,... Since you say that money is putrid, it would behoove you to get rid of yours instead of telling others to send you more.

 

[fredoheaven]

The Hebrew Lexicons define "nathan," translated "turn it into" as, amfong other thitngs, "sell."

The tithe was sold for silver.

This is further proved by the fact that, once the tither arrived at the place God chose, they were to "bestow" (same Hebrew word, "nathan") that money to buy food for themselves. The Hebrew word "nathan" has another definition, the word "designate". The money was to be used for a specific purpose. They were not to keep the money. Nor were they to give it away. They were to spend it on their family. The money bought the tithe necessary for the family to be nourished during the week-long festivity.

It is quite clear that the word "bestow" and the phrase "turn it into" are referring to buying the tithe and selling the tithe.

Your argument fails once again..

What is being attempted was eisegesis. The logic was easily spotted. Now you are trying to impress us with Hebrew Lexicon, I thought the Bible is the final authority. Now I see you’re now breaking your exegesis. “The tithe was sold for silver.”??? We know in fact that the tithe is the LORD’s yet you wanted to sell it? The tithe is for the LORD’s, that’s His and you care less when you sell that for a 30 pieces of silver maybe? Then who do you think to buy us into that? While “nathan” may also mean “sell”, the KJB, along with ESV, RSV, WEB, HNB and ASV translated it “turn into” meaning the tithe was converted to money or exchanged into silver as does the NET/ NIV,HSCB,NASB and NKJV is saying. “Bestow” that is to give over and it will be used to buy foods for festive meal as the LORD says and that the whole family would have to enjoy it.
Here is another look of your reasoning “The money bought the tithe necessary for the family…” Let me diagram your statement here. First, the farmer had its flocks, fruits, wine, oil, vegetables and all agricultural produce to tithe. Second, because it was too far and it was too long the journey, the farmer converted or exchanged it to money with the same value. The tithe was now the money. Thirdly, the tithe that was money be bestowed or be given up to the place where the LORD’s name was there. So, it was not the money (tithe) bought the tithe necessary for the family. It was the tithe (money) that bought the foods (no longer tithe) and others for the festive meal.

 

[Yet]

ok, I didn't realize Bill O'Reilly was on CC. I thought I answered this pretty plain with scriptures. "CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW" ROMANS 10:4

Didn't Jesus say that he didn't come to "do away with, but fulfill the law"?

didn't the psalmist say "I've never seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread"?

SINCE YOU PASSING OUT SUGGESTIONS, I SUGGEST YOU QUIT BEING A GOD ROBBING, TIGHTWAD AND GIVE YOUR TITHES

You dont know what i give. You judge me without knowledge. Thats a no no..dontchaknow? Ill not make out an itemized list for your perusal and approval. But this one thing i'll say as soon as i cover the ears of my right hand as it were.
I am led of the Spirit in every area in life, even in my giving, which the false church doesn't agree with. They say giving must be according to a fabricated, man made law! God told me to take 35k of my meager pension and make a film about natural affection, which the 'church' knows little of. So i did. If that makes me a tightwad, okee dokee by me. By the way, He also told me not to charge for it. Give copies away for free. Would you like a copy? I dont want your money. I want you free in Christ and directed by His Spirit to give His way to whom He has commanded. To the poor and to the traveling preacher, if he truly is preaching the truth of His word, not the barnum and bunkum the church holds dear.

And no, you have not answered yet. Now here's your 2 options. Was He 1. speaking to the Pharisees while still under the old covenant or 2. was the new covenant activated at that juncture? Ill await a clear answer. You gotta make it simple, for I am just a simple minded man.

 

[fredoheaven]

The miner was not required to tithe his silver and gold.

"All the tithe of the land" is clearly defined in the passage wherein it is found. It is defined as "whether of the seed of the land; or of the fruit of the tree; And concerning the tithe of the flocks and herds...". Seed, fruit, livestock,... none of this is referring to silver and gold.

Well, the Bible says tithe is for the all children of Israel that includes the diggers, the farmers, the fishermen, the vendors and traders etc. and you are saying the miner were not to tithe his silver and gold?? “The silver is mine and the gold is mine, thus sayeth the LORD” Haggai 2:8 The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD of hosts. and who are you to say they are not to tithe? THE ONLY REASON WHY THE LEVITES AND PRIEST TO RECEIVED SUCH AGRICULTURAL PRODUCE IS BECAUSE, THEY HAVE NO LAND INHERITANCE AND WERE ONLY SERVING IN THE SANCTUARY OR TEMPLE. THEY WERE NOT REQUIRED TO TILL THE LAND, DIG THE MOUNTAIN, GO FISHING OR MAKE TRADING, SO IT FOLLOWS WHAT THEY BASICALLY NEEDED WAS FOOD, BECAUSE THEY CANNOT EAT THE MONEY!!!. In the Parable of our Lord Jesus, the self- righteous Pharisee said “I tithe all that I possessed…” Lesson, All means all that he possessed implying that “all” can be tithe. The RECORD is “ALL the tithe of the land” includes the seed of the land. I think we need to learn a lesson 101 from Moses in Deut. 4:15, the “manner of similitude”’.

 

[Yet]

Swordsman won't answer my question. If we the people are the priesthood, do we pay tithes to ourselves?

The Goodnews man wont answer my other question. Was Jesus under the old covenant or the new before He went to the cross.

The word of God is a pesky thing aint it? The traditions of men must be observed. God's word be hanged.

You guys have been pastorized and pulpited to death. Someone ask me why i dont 'go to church'. My answer: why seek the Living among the dead?

And the Sardis ecclesia had a name saying it was ALIVE, yet it was dead! Before you hurl your stone, i didnt say that. The Jesus,you think you know, did.

 

[Goodnewsman]

your right, I forgot about the all caps deal meaning shouting. (which I thinks crazy)

he took a punch at me with my "handle" and I swung back.

I know the bible says to turn the other cheek, so I will turn the other cheek (once) but after you "turn the other cheek" the bible is unclear at that point as what to do. LOL

I was unaware that my name was in the bible.....cool

Goodnewsman, you won't convince anyone of the rightness of your view by calling them a 'God robbing tightwad' or by shouting (all-caps text). There are names one could call you too (from the Bible, no less), but that isn't going to get us anywhere. Let's rise above such behaviour.

You have touched on the essence of the disagreement in your post here. You seem to see tithing as compatible with new covenant belief. I and many others do not. We have good, sound, scripture-based reasons for believing that tithing is not required and we're trying to share those reasons with you, and to question your understanding where it seems off-base. No personal attack is intended.

 

[Goodnewsman]

LOL. you sound anything but a "simple minded man"

I apologize for calling you "God robbing tightwad" (I need to learn to articulate my humor a little better on the keyboard)

I personally think the new covenant was activated because as I quoted in romans 10 "Christ was the end of the law"

I am curious though, in the few posts of yours I've read, you seem to really have a problem with the "Church." do you go to church?

You dont know what i give. You judge me without knowledge. Thats a no no..dontchaknow? Ill not make out an itemized list for your perusal and approval. But this one thing i'll say as soon as i cover the ears of my right hand as it were.
I am led of the Spirit in every area in life, even in my giving, which the false church doesn't agree with. They say giving must be according to a fabricated, man made law! God told me to take 35k of my meager pension and make a film about natural affection, which the 'church' knows little of. So i did. If that makes me a tightwad, okee dokee by me. By the way, He also told me not to charge for it. Give copies away for free. Would you like a copy? I dont want your money. I want you free in Christ and directed by His Spirit to give His way to whom He has commanded. To the poor and to the traveling preacher, if he truly is preaching the truth of His word, not the barnum and bunkum the church holds dear.

And no, you have not answered yet. Now here's your 2 options. Was He 1. speaking to the Pharisees while still under the old covenant or 2. was the new covenant activated at that juncture? Ill await a clear answer. You gotta make it simple, for I am just a simple minded man.

 

[Goodnewsman]

I asked you in an earlier post if you went to church. that was before I read here were you plainly said you don't go to church.

I wouldn't give my tithes neither if I didn't go to church, I understand now, I assumed you was a Christian that went to church on a regular basis.

tithing is the last thing you need to worry about!

Swordsman won't answer my question. If we the people are the priesthood, do we pay tithes to ourselves?

The Goodnews man wont answer my other question. Was Jesus under the old covenant or the new before He went to the cross.

The word of God is a pesky thing aint it? The traditions of men must be observed. God's word be hanged.

You guys have been pastorized and pulpited to death. Someone ask me why i dont 'go to church'. My answer: why seek the Living among the dead?

And the Sardis ecclesia had a name saying it was ALIVE, yet it was dead! Before you hurl your stone, i didnt say that. The Jesus,you think you know, did.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Why attend a religious organization that teaches contrary to the Word of God, but has in reality invented their own god? one that oppresses widows, orphans, and the hireling in his wages?

Why be companions with that false religion you call "church"?

 

[Yet]

Psalm 125:3 The ungodly shall not rule over the righteous, lest the godly be forced to do wrong.

Pastors rule over God's people using twisted scripture for gain, making merchandise of the folks, for filthy lucre, eating the fat and clothing themselves with wool. Mutton on the menue. Sheep before the slaughter. Hirelings using extortion to finance and feather their own nests, building their own kingdoms with their lofty names on them.

The verse can be read as 'the twisted gospel peddlers cannot subdue the sheep unless the sheep fall into line and practice the lies told them. Enablers.

Pathetic isnt it? And prophetic it is. All the warnings are in your NT. And the 'church' sleeps on! Hear the crickets? Hear the snoring!
You think im judgmental? Wait till you stand before Christ, you'll wish you had me back!

 

[Yet]

I asked you in an earlier post if you went to church. that was before I read here were you plainly said you don't go to church.

I wouldn't give my tithes neither if I didn't go to church, I understand now, I assumed you was a Christian that went to church on a regular basis.

tithing is the last thing you need to worry about!

A den of thieves full of dead mens bones? You really need to study 1Cor.12, Ephesians 4, and Romans 12. You really have no idea what the ecclesia is to be and do. Thats your willing loss.
Oh, do you still accuse me of being a tightwad?

 

[Goodnewsman]

so i'm guessing you don't go to church neither????

Why attend a religious organization that teaches contrary to the Word of God, but has in reality invented their own god? one that oppresses widows, orphans, and the hireling in his wages?

Why be companions with that false religion you call "church"?

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Funny how one claims to be part of the 'church,' yet hangs onto a command that the Word of God says was for a people under the Mosaic Law.

Mixing Law and Grace? Visiting the House of Law while supposed to be married to Christ? My Bible likens that person to an adulterer.

 

[Goodnewsman]

I think your throwing the baby out with the bath water. sure there's hypocrite pastors....but not all of them are

the bible says pastors are a gift from God

Ephesians 4:11-13 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

just curious George, do you reckon there's any hypocrites at the grocery store, or gas station where you go??? amazing, you still buy your grocery's there!!

Psalm 125:3 The ungodly shall not rule over the righteous, lest the godly be forced to do wrong.

Pastors rule over God's people using twisted scripture for gain, making merchandise of the folks, for filthy lucre, eating the fat and clothing themselves with wool. Mutton on the menue. Sheep before the slaughter. Hirelings using extortion to finance and feather their own nests, building their own kingdoms with their lofty names on them.

The verse can be read as 'the twisted gospel peddlers cannot subdue the sheep unless the sheep fall into line and practice the lies told them. Enablers.

Pathetic isnt it? And prophetic it is. All the warnings are in your NT. And the 'church' sleeps on! Hear the crickets? Hear the snoring!
You think im judgmental? Wait till you stand before Christ, you'll wish you had me back!

 

[Goodnewsman]

no being a tightwad isn't your problem. sounds like you need to find you a bible believing church, with a Holy Ghost anointed man of God preaching to you the word of God at least 6 days a week. LOL

A den of thieves full of dead mens bones? You really need to study 1Cor.12, Ephesians 4, and Romans 12. You really have no idea what the ecclesia is to be and do. Thats your willing loss.
Oh, do you still accuse me of being a tightwad?

 

[Goodnewsman]

sounds like you got a small bible sir. i'm not mixing law and Grace. Jesus didn't come to do away with the law but to fulfill it.

apostle Paul said "i had not known sin, if the law had not showed me what sin was"

Funny how one claims to be part of the 'church,' yet hangs onto a command that the Word of God says was for a people under the Mosaic Law.

Mixing Law and Grace? Visiting the House of Law while supposed to be married to Christ? My Bible likens that person to an adulterer.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

so i'm guessing you don't go to church neither????

Haven't attended a religious service since they voted me out for teaching truth.

Every Church in my town that I have checked out follows the same false christ you do. So, no,... I don't plan on aligning myself with any of them.

I place my trust in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The God that never commanded any of the Patriarchs, Prophets, or Apostles to tithe their monetary income.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

sounds like you got a small bible sir. i'm not mixing law and Grace. Jesus didn't come to do away with the law but to fulfill it.

apostle Paul said "i had not known sin, if the law had not showed me what sin was"

Actually, you are indeed mixing Law and Grace.

My Bible, 66 Books, states that the Law was for the children of Israel and not for any other nation. It also states in the New Testament section that Gentile Believers in Christ are not under the Law that was given to Israel.

By the way, The Apostle Paul was from the tribe of Benjamin, a tribe that was required to observe the Law. I am not.

 

[Goodnewsman]

our church doesn't have a cover charge. LOL

Hebrews 10:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

sounds like you've convinced yourself that you don't need to be apart of the body of Christ to make it to heaven. I guess you feel like you can make it on your own.......renegade style????

Haven't attended a religious service since they voted me out for teaching truth.

Every Church in my town that I have checked out follows the same false christ you do. So, no,... I don't plan on aligning myself with any of them.

I place my trust in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The God that never commanded any of the Patriarchs, Prophets, or Apostles to tithe their monetary income.