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Okay, the FRUIT, We have here in the Bible. But anyway thank you for generous personal opinions. I believe in the Bible. The King James Bible as the inspired Word of God. Wiki is not my authority, wiki just confirming what is in the Bible. Still though there was a RECORD...'tis RECORDED in HIS WORD! YOU CAN NO LONGER ERASE that in the BIBLE! PROOF evidence is in the KING James Bible. I have never read in the Deut. 14 the word "buy back" or "redeemed" are you then wresting the Scriptures? At the least I learned from you. Your exegesis are well good, salute you for that, however your logic of law, reasoning of law does no stand in the ANALOGY OF FAITH. Thank you Sir!
Deuteronomy 28:4 Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep
Deuteronomy 28:11 And the LORD shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
Deuteronomy 30:9 And the LORD thy God will make thee plenteous in every work of thine hand, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy land, for good: for the LORD will again rejoice over thee for good, as he rejoiced over thy fathers:
Hosea 9:16 Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.
Deuteronomy 28:51 And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee.
This word fruit is also used of children or offspring (Gen. 30:2; Deut. 7:13; Luke 1:42; Ps. 21:10; 132:11); also of the progeny of beasts (Deut. 28:51; Isa. 14:29). "It is used metaphorically in a variety of forms (Ps. 104:13; Prov. 1:31; 11:30; 31:16; Isa. 3:10; 10:12; Matt. 3:8; 21:41; "26:29; Heb. 13:15; Rom. 7:4, 5; 15:28)." "The fruits of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22, 23; Eph. 5:9; James 3:17, 18) are those gracious dispositions and habits which the Spirit produces in those in whom he dwells and works.
Deuteronomy 28:4 Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep
Deuteronomy 28:11 And the LORD shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
Deuteronomy 30:9 And the LORD thy God will make thee plenteous in every work of thine hand, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy land, for good: for the LORD will again rejoice over thee for good, as he rejoiced over thy fathers:
Hosea 9:16 Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.
Deuteronomy 28:51 And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee.
This word fruit is also used of children or offspring (Gen. 30:2; Deut. 7:13; Luke 1:42; Ps. 21:10; 132:11); also of the progeny of beasts (Deut. 28:51; Isa. 14:29). "It is used metaphorically in a variety of forms (Ps. 104:13; Prov. 1:31; 11:30; 31:16; Isa. 3:10; 10:12; Matt. 3:8; 21:41; "26:29; Heb. 13:15; Rom. 7:4, 5; 15:28)." "The fruits of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22, 23; Eph. 5:9; James 3:17, 18) are those gracious dispositions and habits which the Spirit produces in those in whom he dwells and works.
By the way, Deuteronomy 14:26 reveals that the farmer did use the silver to buy back the tithe.
He was to take the tithe where God chose.
If the way was too far, there was a possibility of spoiling, so the farmer could sell the tithe for money. Yes, the KJV uses the word "exchange." However, anyone knows when money is exchanged for food, it is called,... (drum roll) ... buying. In Deuteronomy 14:25, it is food is exchanged for money. In other words, the food is sold.
Once at the place God chose, the farmer was to use the silver to buy the tithe, and eat the tithe with his household and with the Levite.
It was not a tithe for Tabernacle or Temple.
He was to take the tithe where God chose.
If the way was too far, there was a possibility of spoiling, so the farmer could sell the tithe for money. Yes, the KJV uses the word "exchange." However, anyone knows when money is exchanged for food, it is called,... (drum roll) ... buying. In Deuteronomy 14:25, it is food is exchanged for money. In other words, the food is sold.
Once at the place God chose, the farmer was to use the silver to buy the tithe, and eat the tithe with his household and with the Levite.
It was not a tithe for Tabernacle or Temple.
So we have the RECORD in the Scriptures of “monetary tithe” as documented in the Book of Deuteronomy 14: 22-29. There’s no redeeming or buy back of tithes as supposed. Insisting that there was, is trying to force the scriptures that is-WRESTING the Scriptures and WRECKING HAVOC against the scriptures.
What’s left around the corner is the argument of “Land of Canaan”. According in that passage, I would like to put REST of this kind of argument as it is indeed NUISSANCE. Why, because Moses was not yet dead at this time and the Book of Deuteronomy was delivered in the “side of Jordan” Deut. 4:46. The Land of Canaan was not yet conquered and possessed. It will be Moses’ spy- Joshua, who will still to capture the land. Tithe as practice in the time Moses was determined in which the LORD shall choose to place His name (Deut. 14:23). Therefore the “Land of Canaan” in the particular passage of scripture in the Book Deuteronomy is a MYTH.
Definition of Tithe
Tithe means “the tenth” or put it into mathematical fraction is 1/10 or rate in percentage is 10%. The rate is CONSTANT all throughout the Old and New Testament. The Law of first mention was documented in Genesis 14:20 as “tithe” define in the New Testament being cited Hebrews 7:2 as the “tenth”. So we have here the principle of tenth or 10% is CONSTANT by way of its definition.
What to Tithe
The items or materials brought, paid or return are VARIABLE. This means it may vary from the following:
A. In case of Abraham, it’s the spoil of war or booty. Hebrew 7:4
B. The Passages in Book of Deuteronomy 14: 22-29
1. Crops – Agricultural products “seed”
2. Corn - Agricultural products
3. Wine – fermented grapes (manufactured products) or freshly pressed juice which is a non-alcoholic.
4. Oil – may be referred to the Olive oil 1 Kings 6:23, 31-22m Isa. 41:19
5. Herds and Flocks – animals
6. Money
C. The Passage in the Book of Leviticus 27:30
1. ALL the tithe of the Land
a. Seed of the Land – that which “came out” of the ground to this include the gold, silver, brass and iron to name a few. In comparison in the book of Joshua 6:24 which thing were put into the treasury of the house of the LORD.
Further, seed refers to offspring that’s which came out of the mother’s womb. In Genesis as cited below refer to “thy seed and her seed”. Thus the analogy is that seed of the land refers to those products which came out the ground.
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Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
See also Job 5:25, Romans 4:13, 16 Galatians 3:29
b. Fruit of the Tree – Agricultural product
What’s left around the corner is the argument of “Land of Canaan”. According in that passage, I would like to put REST of this kind of argument as it is indeed NUISSANCE. Why, because Moses was not yet dead at this time and the Book of Deuteronomy was delivered in the “side of Jordan” Deut. 4:46. The Land of Canaan was not yet conquered and possessed. It will be Moses’ spy- Joshua, who will still to capture the land. Tithe as practice in the time Moses was determined in which the LORD shall choose to place His name (Deut. 14:23). Therefore the “Land of Canaan” in the particular passage of scripture in the Book Deuteronomy is a MYTH.
Definition of Tithe
Tithe means “the tenth” or put it into mathematical fraction is 1/10 or rate in percentage is 10%. The rate is CONSTANT all throughout the Old and New Testament. The Law of first mention was documented in Genesis 14:20 as “tithe” define in the New Testament being cited Hebrews 7:2 as the “tenth”. So we have here the principle of tenth or 10% is CONSTANT by way of its definition.
What to Tithe
The items or materials brought, paid or return are VARIABLE. This means it may vary from the following:
A. In case of Abraham, it’s the spoil of war or booty. Hebrew 7:4
B. The Passages in Book of Deuteronomy 14: 22-29
1. Crops – Agricultural products “seed”
2. Corn - Agricultural products
3. Wine – fermented grapes (manufactured products) or freshly pressed juice which is a non-alcoholic.
4. Oil – may be referred to the Olive oil 1 Kings 6:23, 31-22m Isa. 41:19
5. Herds and Flocks – animals
6. Money
C. The Passage in the Book of Leviticus 27:30
1. ALL the tithe of the Land
a. Seed of the Land – that which “came out” of the ground to this include the gold, silver, brass and iron to name a few. In comparison in the book of Joshua 6:24 which thing were put into the treasury of the house of the LORD.
Further, seed refers to offspring that’s which came out of the mother’s womb. In Genesis as cited below refer to “thy seed and her seed”. Thus the analogy is that seed of the land refers to those products which came out the ground.
.
Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
See also Job 5:25, Romans 4:13, 16 Galatians 3:29
b. Fruit of the Tree – Agricultural product
The money in Deuteronomy 14:24-26 is NOT tithe. It is used to buy tithe, but it is NOT the tithe. Strike 1.
The Israelites were not to tithe until they crossed the Jordan and entered Canaan according to Deuteronomy 6:1-3 & 12:1,10-11. Strike 2
seed of the land was NOT gold and silver. There is no verse in the entire Bible where gold and silver are called seed. Strike 3.
your argument fails still.
The Israelites were not to tithe until they crossed the Jordan and entered Canaan according to Deuteronomy 6:1-3 & 12:1,10-11. Strike 2
seed of the land was NOT gold and silver. There is no verse in the entire Bible where gold and silver are called seed. Strike 3.
your argument fails still.
M
I quit reading after I read your reply because I think that you answered his question well.
The point is that you give and that you are happy to do so. I always question a person's relationship with Christ who gets all bothered about giving. Why wouldn't you want to give to the work of Christ? Why wouldn't a believer want to support their local body? Why wouldn't you want to support missions?
The American "tithing" isn't a new testament teaching but giving is a biblical principal. I've found that people who give sacrificially also are giving people with their time and talents. Giving is a way of life, not just a check on Sunday morning.
Personally, giving is an area that comes easy for me. I struggle in other areas, but giving came easy. I grew up very poor and God always met my needs. I trust Him, that's all giving is about really.
Just like items for tithing could be represented with money, so today people exchange labor for money, that representing all their substance. There never was anything evil about substituting money for holy things. The Temple tax was a third of a shekel. A home could be deemed holy unto the Lord, then offered to the priest. If the giver needed to redeem the home so he could live in it, he had I think a year to present it, have a priest evaluate it, then add 10% of the appraisal, and pay the priest with the monetary equivalent.
Again, consider that the New Covenant is under the original eternal priesthood, which was not nor yet is subject to the prescriptions of the Law for the second priesthood. The tithe is still being received by Jesus our High Priest in Heaven, who allows the Church to define what a tithe can be of. The idea for Christians is to give up whatever first fruits of our substance the Church will accept. It demonstrates faith, while many otherwise wonder whether they ever actually live by faith, or ever please God by faith.
Anyone opposed to something as holy as God's tithe, downgrading it to a tip from our abundance, is obviously out of fellowship with God. There can't be joy in the heart of anyone doing that, as they "know" the issue is their covetousness when holding back what God put up for blessings. <10% is robbing God of money that isn't ours, then adding insult by offering a Cain offering.
Since offerings were also commanded in the Law, let the scoffers detest offerings too, take their precious money, go away. Let Christians have the place to worship as God always intended, in and out of the Law prescribing men to have a physical place for an altar and fellowship. Along with that comes the requirement to commit to proportional support of the ministry over us, with plenty to reach out to a lost and dying world. Scoffers of holy things have no part in that.
Again, consider that the New Covenant is under the original eternal priesthood, which was not nor yet is subject to the prescriptions of the Law for the second priesthood. The tithe is still being received by Jesus our High Priest in Heaven, who allows the Church to define what a tithe can be of. The idea for Christians is to give up whatever first fruits of our substance the Church will accept. It demonstrates faith, while many otherwise wonder whether they ever actually live by faith, or ever please God by faith.
Anyone opposed to something as holy as God's tithe, downgrading it to a tip from our abundance, is obviously out of fellowship with God. There can't be joy in the heart of anyone doing that, as they "know" the issue is their covetousness when holding back what God put up for blessings. <10% is robbing God of money that isn't ours, then adding insult by offering a Cain offering.
Since offerings were also commanded in the Law, let the scoffers detest offerings too, take their precious money, go away. Let Christians have the place to worship as God always intended, in and out of the Law prescribing men to have a physical place for an altar and fellowship. Along with that comes the requirement to commit to proportional support of the ministry over us, with plenty to reach out to a lost and dying world. Scoffers of holy things have no part in that.
Ive asked this before. Nobody answered it. Who would have seen that coming?
If i quit my day job, get a card made saying Reverend Devon on it, rent a building, put my name on a marquee outside, get a 501 c 3 tax evasion status, get a cadillac, do i then get to tell people if they dont give me ten percent of their paycheck, on the gross, that they are robbing God and may end up in hell? Enquiring mind wants to know Swordsman!
If i quit my day job, get a card made saying Reverend Devon on it, rent a building, put my name on a marquee outside, get a 501 c 3 tax evasion status, get a cadillac, do i then get to tell people if they dont give me ten percent of their paycheck, on the gross, that they are robbing God and may end up in hell? Enquiring mind wants to know Swordsman!
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None of those acts are what cause people to go to hell. They go because of their own unbelief, which ranges from "I can't believe in Jesus" (a false concept...anyone can believe anything, but can choose not to believe) to "I reject the idea of Jesus". Believing that robbing God of tithes would send people to hell is false doctrine, but God can renew that mind long before that thinking damns by causing unbelief.
If awarded, a 501 C is quite legal to use. If God wants a minister to enjoy that he will happily approve it since he institued governments and commands us to obey them. It's a Christian idea. For a long time most reasonable people realize that if everyone tithed and gave within their means there would be no need for collection of taxes. It gives donors a tax break so they are not taxed twice on money given that adds community benefit like taxes.
Your scenario is desperate, extreme, and uncommon activity. You've read about a tiny minority of abusers, then judge the Church. It does you no good to condemn any congregation that agrees to demanded support, for God is the one who started that. Your part is to exit and don't come back if not in full fellowship with the Lord Jesus who is not supplying you your unbiblical doctrines.
Try just a little bit to let reason and logic creep in, deal with the change in priesthood, and realize how much of the commandments principles of the old apply to the new covenant eternal priesthood. If that's over your head, simply say so. I'll understand. Hebrews is hard for lots of people to comprehend.
Try to comprehend how it is God ordained that ministers he sends us are due their living from the gospel they preach. The only way to budget for them is through pledges and regular payment of tithes so they know they can pay their bills honorably while serving the congregation.
Try to grasp the idea that over and above that base support of their staff and place of worship the congregation should respond to the Lord to lay by in store each worship day offerings for needy causes, such as the very poor and dependent missionaries.
Try to agree with God that he wants us to benefit from local pastors, teachers, and other ministers, their salary plan being of the one method God endorsed before, during, and after the Law was abolished in Christ.
If awarded, a 501 C is quite legal to use. If God wants a minister to enjoy that he will happily approve it since he institued governments and commands us to obey them. It's a Christian idea. For a long time most reasonable people realize that if everyone tithed and gave within their means there would be no need for collection of taxes. It gives donors a tax break so they are not taxed twice on money given that adds community benefit like taxes.
Your scenario is desperate, extreme, and uncommon activity. You've read about a tiny minority of abusers, then judge the Church. It does you no good to condemn any congregation that agrees to demanded support, for God is the one who started that. Your part is to exit and don't come back if not in full fellowship with the Lord Jesus who is not supplying you your unbiblical doctrines.
Try just a little bit to let reason and logic creep in, deal with the change in priesthood, and realize how much of the commandments principles of the old apply to the new covenant eternal priesthood. If that's over your head, simply say so. I'll understand. Hebrews is hard for lots of people to comprehend.
Try to comprehend how it is God ordained that ministers he sends us are due their living from the gospel they preach. The only way to budget for them is through pledges and regular payment of tithes so they know they can pay their bills honorably while serving the congregation.
Try to grasp the idea that over and above that base support of their staff and place of worship the congregation should respond to the Lord to lay by in store each worship day offerings for needy causes, such as the very poor and dependent missionaries.
Try to agree with God that he wants us to benefit from local pastors, teachers, and other ministers, their salary plan being of the one method God endorsed before, during, and after the Law was abolished in Christ.
What preachers call tithes today is nothing like that which God’s Word says concerning His holy tithe.
In the days from Aaron to the Apostle Paul, the tithe was only of the crops, flocks and herds. (Numbers 18:21-28; Leviticus 27:30-33) Today, it is taught that God requires our money to be tithed. (There is no Scriptural support for this teaching)
In the days from Aaron to the Apostle Paul, only the Levites were authorized to receive the yearly tithe. (Numbers 18:24-26) On the third year the tithe was kept in the tither’s city to feed the widows, the orphans, the Levites that were living in the tither’s city, and the foreigner that was visiting the city. (Deuteronomy 14:22-23, 28-29) Every seventh year, there was no tithe required. (Leviticus 25:4,20) Today, churches teach a weekly tithe with no instruction to keep the tithe in your own community, nor is there a rest from the tithe every seventh year. Pastors of the Church teach that the Church can receive it. (There is no Scriptural support for this teaching)
In the days from Aaron to the Apostle Paul, the tithe was only required of those who owned land on which one could plant gardens or orchards, or breed livestock on. Men who did not own gardens, orchards or livestock were not required to tithe. (Deuteronomy 14:22) Today, the Church teaches God requires all members of the congregation to tithe. (There is no Scriptural support for this teaching)
In the days from Aaron to the Apostle Paul, only Israelites were required to tithe. (Leviticus 27:30-34; Psalms 147:19-20) The Levites could not accept tithes from anyone who was not of the nation of Israel. (Numbers 18:26) Today, Church members all over the world are told to tithe. (There is no Scriptural support for this teaching)
In the days from Aaron to the Apostle Paul, firstfruits and the tithe were separate (Nehemiah 10:37-38; 12:44) Today, the Church teaches that tithes and firstfruits are the same thing. (There is no Scriptural support for this teaching)
In the days from Aaron to the Apostle Paul, the tithe was of the increase of crops, flocks & livestock. (Leviticus 27:30-33; Deuteronomy 14:22) Today, Churches teach that 10% of your paycheck is to be tithed. (There is no Scriptural support for this teaching)
Contrary to the popular teaching, God is not going to curse you if you don’t tithe your money. Many a preacher will stand behind the pulpit and preach that Malachi 3:8-10 is a warning to their congregations that they will receive a curse if they don’t tithe their money. Since God’s Word defines what the tithe was, how can preachers say it is something different? How can the members of the congregation agree that the tithe is something other than what God’s Holy Word declares it to be? Brethren, the tithe in Malachi 3 was of the crops. God says bring it in the storehouse. The storehouse was rooms encircling the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. (1 Kings 6:5-10) And God told the Priests who had stolen the tithes to return the tithes. If they would, He would open the windows of Heaven, (remember the first time the windows of Heaven are mentioned in the Bible? God made it rain upon the Earth) and He would pour out a blessing that the people would not be able to receive. He would rebuke the devourer (the locust) for their sake.
Folks, God was speaking of abundance of crops as a blessing for tithing of the crops. God’s tithe was not out of one's personal household income then, nor has it ever been.
Brethren, if you want to please God with your money, give as the Apostle Paul instructed… as you purpose in your heart. (2 Corinthians 9:7) Don’t give grugdingly, but rather willingly and cheerfully.
But regardless if you give 10% of your money, it is not tithes according to the Word of God. Tithes were only of the crops, flocks, and herds. What you are giving when you give money is a contribution.
There is not one instance of the Apostle’s teaching the Gentile Churches to tithe their money in the Word of God. As a matter of fact, when the Jerusalem Council met as recorded in Acts 15, the Jerusalem Council wanted the Gentile Believers to be circumcised, AND to keep the Law of Moses.” (v.5) The tithe was one of the laws found within the Law of Moses.
What did James tell the Council that day? It seemeth good to the Holy Ghost and to us that no greater burden be laid upon the Gentile Believers than these necessary things: to abstain from blood, and from things strangled, and from idols, and from fornication. He ended with “if ye do these things, ye do well.” (vv.28-29)
One would think that the Holy Ghost would have told James to teach the Gentile Churches that they were to tithe. But according to the Word of God, the tithe was not a necessary thing required of the Gentiles.
So how are we to see to the financial needs of the Church if we don’t tithe? By giving cheerfully and willingly. Freewill contributions, not of compulsion or necessity. God loves a cheerful giver.
If you purpose in your heart to give 10% of your money, great! But since God’s Word tells us what the tithe was, and who was required to tithe, your 10% of your money is not God’s tithe. It is a contribution. When God’s Word says His holy tithe is agriculture but the preacher says it is money, God is right and the preacher is wrong.
The tithe of the congregation was not taken to the Temple/Tabernacle by the people. It was taken to the Levites in the farming communities, who in turn took a tithe of the tithe they received to the Temple/Tabernacle. (Nehemiah 10:37-38) That’s right, only 1% of the original tither’s property went to the House of God,… not 10%. And it was the Levite who was responsible for taking the tithe to the House of God, not the children of Israel.
Study it out folks. That which is preached as “God’s tithe” today is not the tithe instituted by God. Not even close to that which God instituted. It is totally foreign to the Word of God.
A careful and prayerful study of the Word of God will reveal to the reader that the tithe taught today is not what God’s Word says about God’s holy tithe. Preachers are falsely teaching a man-made command as if it is a doctrine ordained by God.
Matthew 15:9. But in vain they do worship me; teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
pastors today need to repent of teaching the monetary tithe. It is a doctrine totally foreign to God's Holy Word.
In the days from Aaron to the Apostle Paul, the tithe was only of the crops, flocks and herds. (Numbers 18:21-28; Leviticus 27:30-33) Today, it is taught that God requires our money to be tithed. (There is no Scriptural support for this teaching)
In the days from Aaron to the Apostle Paul, only the Levites were authorized to receive the yearly tithe. (Numbers 18:24-26) On the third year the tithe was kept in the tither’s city to feed the widows, the orphans, the Levites that were living in the tither’s city, and the foreigner that was visiting the city. (Deuteronomy 14:22-23, 28-29) Every seventh year, there was no tithe required. (Leviticus 25:4,20) Today, churches teach a weekly tithe with no instruction to keep the tithe in your own community, nor is there a rest from the tithe every seventh year. Pastors of the Church teach that the Church can receive it. (There is no Scriptural support for this teaching)
In the days from Aaron to the Apostle Paul, the tithe was only required of those who owned land on which one could plant gardens or orchards, or breed livestock on. Men who did not own gardens, orchards or livestock were not required to tithe. (Deuteronomy 14:22) Today, the Church teaches God requires all members of the congregation to tithe. (There is no Scriptural support for this teaching)
In the days from Aaron to the Apostle Paul, only Israelites were required to tithe. (Leviticus 27:30-34; Psalms 147:19-20) The Levites could not accept tithes from anyone who was not of the nation of Israel. (Numbers 18:26) Today, Church members all over the world are told to tithe. (There is no Scriptural support for this teaching)
In the days from Aaron to the Apostle Paul, firstfruits and the tithe were separate (Nehemiah 10:37-38; 12:44) Today, the Church teaches that tithes and firstfruits are the same thing. (There is no Scriptural support for this teaching)
In the days from Aaron to the Apostle Paul, the tithe was of the increase of crops, flocks & livestock. (Leviticus 27:30-33; Deuteronomy 14:22) Today, Churches teach that 10% of your paycheck is to be tithed. (There is no Scriptural support for this teaching)
Contrary to the popular teaching, God is not going to curse you if you don’t tithe your money. Many a preacher will stand behind the pulpit and preach that Malachi 3:8-10 is a warning to their congregations that they will receive a curse if they don’t tithe their money. Since God’s Word defines what the tithe was, how can preachers say it is something different? How can the members of the congregation agree that the tithe is something other than what God’s Holy Word declares it to be? Brethren, the tithe in Malachi 3 was of the crops. God says bring it in the storehouse. The storehouse was rooms encircling the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. (1 Kings 6:5-10) And God told the Priests who had stolen the tithes to return the tithes. If they would, He would open the windows of Heaven, (remember the first time the windows of Heaven are mentioned in the Bible? God made it rain upon the Earth) and He would pour out a blessing that the people would not be able to receive. He would rebuke the devourer (the locust) for their sake.
Folks, God was speaking of abundance of crops as a blessing for tithing of the crops. God’s tithe was not out of one's personal household income then, nor has it ever been.
Brethren, if you want to please God with your money, give as the Apostle Paul instructed… as you purpose in your heart. (2 Corinthians 9:7) Don’t give grugdingly, but rather willingly and cheerfully.
But regardless if you give 10% of your money, it is not tithes according to the Word of God. Tithes were only of the crops, flocks, and herds. What you are giving when you give money is a contribution.
There is not one instance of the Apostle’s teaching the Gentile Churches to tithe their money in the Word of God. As a matter of fact, when the Jerusalem Council met as recorded in Acts 15, the Jerusalem Council wanted the Gentile Believers to be circumcised, AND to keep the Law of Moses.” (v.5) The tithe was one of the laws found within the Law of Moses.
What did James tell the Council that day? It seemeth good to the Holy Ghost and to us that no greater burden be laid upon the Gentile Believers than these necessary things: to abstain from blood, and from things strangled, and from idols, and from fornication. He ended with “if ye do these things, ye do well.” (vv.28-29)
One would think that the Holy Ghost would have told James to teach the Gentile Churches that they were to tithe. But according to the Word of God, the tithe was not a necessary thing required of the Gentiles.
So how are we to see to the financial needs of the Church if we don’t tithe? By giving cheerfully and willingly. Freewill contributions, not of compulsion or necessity. God loves a cheerful giver.
If you purpose in your heart to give 10% of your money, great! But since God’s Word tells us what the tithe was, and who was required to tithe, your 10% of your money is not God’s tithe. It is a contribution. When God’s Word says His holy tithe is agriculture but the preacher says it is money, God is right and the preacher is wrong.
The tithe of the congregation was not taken to the Temple/Tabernacle by the people. It was taken to the Levites in the farming communities, who in turn took a tithe of the tithe they received to the Temple/Tabernacle. (Nehemiah 10:37-38) That’s right, only 1% of the original tither’s property went to the House of God,… not 10%. And it was the Levite who was responsible for taking the tithe to the House of God, not the children of Israel.
Study it out folks. That which is preached as “God’s tithe” today is not the tithe instituted by God. Not even close to that which God instituted. It is totally foreign to the Word of God.
A careful and prayerful study of the Word of God will reveal to the reader that the tithe taught today is not what God’s Word says about God’s holy tithe. Preachers are falsely teaching a man-made command as if it is a doctrine ordained by God.
Matthew 15:9. But in vain they do worship me; teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
pastors today need to repent of teaching the monetary tithe. It is a doctrine totally foreign to God's Holy Word.
Post 373 is a copy/paste, so I hope you are being an honest person by giving credit to the author. If you are the original author, then you chose an article that completely misses the point of my case. It appears you are unable to comprehend meat of the word, not realizing which priesthood Jesus is of. I'm not talking about tithes of the mortal priesthood, but that of the eternal priesthood. It doesn't limit the tithe to agri products, nor does Jesus command the Church about what is acceptable to offer as a tithe or offering. The old covenant tithe is a type and shadow of the eternal. It was changed by Jesus. The new covenant gives much control to the local congregations in Matthew 16:15-19 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
While the Church is free to decide when, what, how and how much to observe whatever is on our hearts in full conscience before God, Jesus receives tithes in Heaven, our tithes, Jew or Gentile alike. That revelation came through Paul well after the veil of the temple was rent , opening all the promises of God up to the whole world.
So try thinking for yourself. Read, pay attention to the challenge of Hebrews 7 rather than toss websites at this thread you apparently don't understand.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
While the Church is free to decide when, what, how and how much to observe whatever is on our hearts in full conscience before God, Jesus receives tithes in Heaven, our tithes, Jew or Gentile alike. That revelation came through Paul well after the veil of the temple was rent , opening all the promises of God up to the whole world.
So try thinking for yourself. Read, pay attention to the challenge of Hebrews 7 rather than toss websites at this thread you apparently don't understand.
In fact, there is no giving that's recognized by God when the tithe is robbed. Otherwise we should be happy to let a thief steal our treasures, then accept his gracious gift of a penny in restitution. Doubtless then he would be quite a cheerful giver.
I realize you too find Paul too hard. I understand. So did Peter.
2 Peter 3:14-18 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
[SUP]16 [/SUP] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
If it pleases you, forever ignore the principles of the old covenant tithe, but also forfeit the blessing on the tithe, especially that of Melchizedek to Abram. There was no curse associated with that transaction, nor is there penalty concerning the tithes Jesus receives today. You are free to dismiss the blessing of that too.
Meanwhile, those who insist on giving whatever they feel comfortable with have a very limited blessing, that of receiving back equal measure of what's sown. If a little, then one reaps little. God certainly knows whether the giver does like Ananias and Sapphira did, so be sure whatever you "contribute" is in fact what God says to give. If anyone gives less, then once again he/she is a robber of God, lying to the Spirit. In that case it is far wiser to keep your money rather than put on a pretense, go have a soda and some popcorn during the offering time. There in the lobby should be fellowship with other robbers.
I realize you too find Paul too hard. I understand. So did Peter.
2 Peter 3:14-18 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
[SUP]16 [/SUP] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
If it pleases you, forever ignore the principles of the old covenant tithe, but also forfeit the blessing on the tithe, especially that of Melchizedek to Abram. There was no curse associated with that transaction, nor is there penalty concerning the tithes Jesus receives today. You are free to dismiss the blessing of that too.
Meanwhile, those who insist on giving whatever they feel comfortable with have a very limited blessing, that of receiving back equal measure of what's sown. If a little, then one reaps little. God certainly knows whether the giver does like Ananias and Sapphira did, so be sure whatever you "contribute" is in fact what God says to give. If anyone gives less, then once again he/she is a robber of God, lying to the Spirit. In that case it is far wiser to keep your money rather than put on a pretense, go have a soda and some popcorn during the offering time. There in the lobby should be fellowship with other robbers.
the O.T law was "until Christ came"
if Jesus was concerned about the O.T law why did he never tell anyone to keep the Sabbath day etc.....
would you also blow off Luke 18:1 when Jesus said "men ought to always pray and not faint" (since it was pre calvary)
in fact the sermon on the mt. throw it out, it was pre calvary
MY point is this: we can argue tithing until your blue in the face, but Malachi did ask the question "will a man rob God? and they said wherein have we robbed thee, in tithe's and offerings".........then Jesus came along and said "you ought to pay tithe"
FRANKLY THATS ALL I NEED, FOR THE MASTER TO NUDGE IN THE SLIGHTEST WAY AND SAY "YOU OUGHT TO": MY REPLY AS BEEN FOR 20 BLESSED YEARS NO "YES SIR"
From this passage I can conclude:
1. Before Calvary, the O.T. system of tithing was in effect.
2. Before Calvary, tithing was done on agricultural products. From reading the O.T., I know that tithing was also done on livestock(see my signature line). What I am not seeing in the O.T. is tithing on money - none of the multiple types of tithes mentioned in the O.T. was on wages/salaries of money. If money was involved, it was a redemption penalty(Lev 27:27).
3. There are weightier matters of importance, such as judgement, mercy, and faith that are more important than tithing, let alone the modern mis-teaching on the matter.
On a side note, Jesus' words must also be frustrating for the "though shalt not judge" crowd. Jesus emphasized the importance of judging in Matt 23. Just as many are mis-taught that we are to tithe, many are also mis-taught on the issue of judging; namely that judging is always wrong.
if Jesus was concerned about the O.T law why did he never tell anyone to keep the Sabbath day etc.....
would you also blow off Luke 18:1 when Jesus said "men ought to always pray and not faint" (since it was pre calvary)
in fact the sermon on the mt. throw it out, it was pre calvary
MY point is this: we can argue tithing until your blue in the face, but Malachi did ask the question "will a man rob God? and they said wherein have we robbed thee, in tithe's and offerings".........then Jesus came along and said "you ought to pay tithe"
FRANKLY THATS ALL I NEED, FOR THE MASTER TO NUDGE IN THE SLIGHTEST WAY AND SAY "YOU OUGHT TO": MY REPLY AS BEEN FOR 20 BLESSED YEARS NO "YES SIR"
From this passage I can conclude:
1. Before Calvary, the O.T. system of tithing was in effect.
2. Before Calvary, tithing was done on agricultural products. From reading the O.T., I know that tithing was also done on livestock(see my signature line). What I am not seeing in the O.T. is tithing on money - none of the multiple types of tithes mentioned in the O.T. was on wages/salaries of money. If money was involved, it was a redemption penalty(Lev 27:27).
3. There are weightier matters of importance, such as judgement, mercy, and faith that are more important than tithing, let alone the modern mis-teaching on the matter.
On a side note, Jesus' words must also be frustrating for the "though shalt not judge" crowd. Jesus emphasized the importance of judging in Matt 23. Just as many are mis-taught that we are to tithe, many are also mis-taught on the issue of judging; namely that judging is always wrong.