Tithe!

[phil112]

.................. Blessings from God are always proportional-conditional.

That is so much garbage........
I have never done anything for God. When I was on the verge of killing another man He saved me.
Years later, I remarried someone that He warned me not to, started drinking again, and backslid.
After drinking myself into the hospital, then being released days later to drink myself into a coma, I went to a nursing home.
As I started coming back around, I asked my daughter to bring my bible to me from home. Why? Because I knew that my only hope was God.
As I started reading it while in convalesce, I started praying with each reading, asking God to forgive me and guide my path once more.
He did just that. Home now for 3 years and my walk is stronger than ever. I have never tithed nor have I ever given much of a percentage of my income. I have never volunteered nor worked in the church. I have never been a teacher nor song leader.
Yet God has blessed me beyond measure, my cup runneth over. I have my home, lights work, stays warm in the winter and cool in the summer. I lack no material thing needed for my comfort.
Explain how that can be possible for someone as ungrateful a wretch as I have been for God.

 

[Yet]

I have one less small church to teach/preach at when needed. They all submitted, among two dozen people, as much as $17 a week, their electric bill a steady $65 a month. The lights were cut off, but the water bill was paid. That's typical of congregations that follow your rule of thumb. It is a lie of the Devil that God blesses all offerings the same. There is no scripture to support that lie. Blessings from God are always proportional-conditional.

Get rid of that building and meet in homes. The arrogance of having to have a church building stinks.

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

Test_F_i_2_Luv: If people are really going to use Abram as an example, though, they should keep in mind that Abram actually didn't keep anything for himself. If one reads a little farther in the chapter(Gen 14:23), this is clearly stated. If tithing proponents are going to use Abram as an example, then they shouldn't be keeping anything for themselves.

Word_Swordsman: There is no objection in scriptures for a man to offer multiple tithes instead of the required minimum. He will honor a 100% tithe far more than a 10% tithe, crediting future generations like God did for Israel throughout many generations because of Abraham's offering to the eternal priesthood. The Levitical-based tithes were credited back to the eternal priesthood through Abraham to Melchizedek, received by the Lord and High Priest Jesus in Heaven, for the benefit of men who do God's commandments within both covenants.

Paul taught the Corinthian church that he and any other minister is allowed to decline financial support from anyone, to keep people from damaging his ministry over money suspicions. Abram used the same reason for not keeping what was rightfully his, that no man could claim those defeated kings' fortunes made Abram rich. God richly blessed him regardless of how much his men consumed.

What the Western civilization is misunderstanding is the blessing of the kingdom of God style of blessing, not based on this worldly economic system that sucks up much of the riches God supplies, for fleshly comfort.

Test_F_i_2_Luv: Going to handle some of this a line(s) at a time.

There is no objection in scriptures for a man to offer multiple tithes instead of the required minimum. There is no required minimum in N.T. times. Tithes are not required. Tithes were required in O.T. times, and not just one type. So, if people are going to practice tithing today, then they ought to be giving 3 tithes, not one...as the O.T. teaches 3 separate tithes.

He will honor a 100% tithe far more than a 10% tithe. A 100% tithe...that's 100 percent of 1/10 of something. 10% of a tithe is 10% of 10%. In your latter example you're referring to the Lord's offering on a Levitical tithe(Numb 18:28)? That was 1/10 of a tithe.

A tithe is 10%. 2 tithes would be 20%. 3 tithes is 30%.

Perhaps you mean a 100% offering and 10% offering. One of the sad consequences of modern day tithing-teachings is that regardless of what percentage one gives on his/her income, it's still called a tithe. $100 given on $100 earned is not a tithe. Tithing and giving are not synonymous.

crediting future generations like God did for Israel throughout many generations because of Abraham's offering to the eternal priesthood. The Levitical-based tithes were credited back to the eternal priesthood through Abraham to Melchizedek, received by the Lord and High Priest Jesus in Heaven, for the benefit of men who do God's commandments within both covenants. This makes no sense to me. Abram's tithe on war spoils(which is different than on wages/salary/job/profession) was credited to future generations, yet the future generations had to pay 3 tithes instead of one?

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

I have one less small church to teach/preach at when needed. They all submitted, among two dozen people, as much as $17 a week, their electric bill a steady $65 a month. The lights were cut off, but the water bill was paid. That's typical of congregations that follow your rule of thumb. It is a lie of the Devil that God blesses all offerings the same. There is no scripture to support that lie. Blessings from God are always proportional-conditional.

The church has been surviving for 2,000 years. It wasn't until the mid 1800's that tithing became a popular mis-teaching.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

God never commanded anyone in His Word to tithe money to Tabernacle, Temple, Synagogue or Church. Yet, so many In churches around the world today are lied to every time the offering plate is passed. “God requires you to tithe your money” is spoken from the pulpit. “If you don’t tithe, you are a God-robber! You are cursed!” Is often shouted to put the laity in a state of guilt and condemnation. Relax Saints of God… Fear not. God never authorized that pastor to speak those deceitful and unkind words to your ears.


Let’s examine the Scriptures and see what they say concerning
God’s commanded tithe, shall we? But first, let us visit two sons of Aaron at the Tabernacle…

Leviticus 10:1-2 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not. And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.

In the above text, two of Aaron’s sons were struck dead because they offered “strange fire” to God upon the altar of the Lord. What exactly was this “strange fire” that they offered that so displeased the Lord? We are not told. But we are given a special insight as to how precise God wants our offerings to Him be. Nadab and Abihu had offered something that God had not commanded.

Now, one would think, “Hey, at least they were offering something to God. What wrong can be in that?” But God said they offered something that was not commanded.

A lesson should be learned by all from the reading of the account of Nadab and Abihu. That lesson is, “Do It By The Book”.

God has given us His Word as an instruction manual. This “manual” tells us what God expects of us as His dear children. If we are disobedient, God’s chastening hand will be upon us. It surely was upon Nadab and Abihu when they offered strange fire upon the altar. The manner in which we are to live is laid out for us in the New Testament section of the Holy Bible.

Now, please don’t go off on a tangent, saying I don’t like the Old Testament. I do. I cherish both the Old and the New. I read them both and learn from them both.

But the fact is, the New contains the pattern by which God wants us to live today. Hebrews 8 Was written in AD 66. It reveals to the reader that the Old Covenant was ready to pass away and that God was bringing us into a New Covenant. We cannot live in the Old Covenant promises, curses, edicts, laws, statutes, and ordinances. God doesn’t expect us to.

In AD 51, the Apostles met in Jerusalem with the religious leaders of the day. Their order of meeting was to discuss Gentiles who had been recently converted to faith in Christ. The religious leaders of Jerusalem were insisting that the Gentiles had to keep the Law of Moses or they could not be saved.

The Apostle Peter spoke before them all, rebuking them for placing a yoke upon the Gentile Brethren that neither the Jews of that day, nor their ancestors could keep themselves. Peter told them they were tempting God in their demands. The Apostle James said the religious leaders were overthrowing the souls of the Gentiles.

At the close of the meeting, James wrote a letter to the Gentile Believers and sent it to them by the hands of Paul and Barnabas, telling the Gentiles that the Apostles had given no such command that they keep the Law. He also sent Judas and Silas with the same words, but not written… they were to speak to the Gentiles, telling them that they were not commanded to keep the Mosaic Law. The Mosaic Law was part of an Old Covenant that was soon to pass away.

In many Churches around the world today, there is a doctrine being taught that could be called “strange fire”. That doctrine is the monetary tithe requirement doctrine.

Pastors will stand in their pulpits and preach from the Old Covenant the command to tithe that was given to Israel. But, they replace the tithe God commanded, an agricultural tithe, with a tithe consisting of money. It no longer is the tithe that God required of Israel. It has become “strange fire.”

No longer the agricultural tithe that was commanded by God for the children of Israel in Mount Sinai, (Leviticus 27:30-34) it is now a monetary tithe. No longer a tithe that was to be given to Levites, to widows, to orphans, to strangers in Israel, (Numbers18:24-26; Deuteronomy 14:22-29; Nehemiah 10:37-38) it is now to be given to pastors of Churches around the world.

The “tithes” were good when God had control of them, but modern-day Nadab’s, modern-day Abihu’s have turned them into a “strange fire” which God never commanded. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Many pastors today are tempting God and putting a yoke upon their congregations that God never authorized them to do.

Search the Scriptures. When you do, you will find that God’s holy tithe was never commanded for the New Testament Church, never carried to the New Testament Church, never collected in the New Testament Church, and never controlled by the New Testament Church.

Pastors would do well to set aside this sin of preaching a strange fire and offering it to God in the Sunday prayers. Seek out what the New Covenant says concerning the saved and their giving. They are not to be coerced into giving, they are not to be made to fear a curse from God. Rather, they should be taught to give simply because “they love Jesus.”

Teach them as the Apostle Paul taught the saints and brethren at the Church in Corinth… as they purpose in their hearts to give, give cheerfully and willingly God will be honored more by a loving offering than by “strange fire”

Do it by the Book

People, If you insist that God requires you to tithe, that you are being obedient to God and His Holy Word, at least have the decency and respect for God and His Holy Word to do it in accordance to what He has written in His Holy Word.

When you tithe, don’t take it to a Church in a Gentile land. God never commanded such. Instead, do it by the book, as God commanded, and take it to the Promised Land. ( Deut. 12:1,10-11)

When you tithe, don’t give it to a Gentile preacher. God never commanded that. Instead, do it by the book, as God commanded, and take it to the Levite, the widow, the orphan and the foreigner (which would include yourself) in the Promised Land. ( Deut 14:22-29 )

When you tithe, don’t tithe money. God never commanded such a tithe. Instead, do it by the book, as God commanded, and tithe agricultural products that are grown in the Promised Land. (Leviticus 27:30-33)

If you insist on tithing, don’t tithe that which comes from Gentile hands on Gentile soil. God never commanded it. Instead, do it by the book, as God commanded, and move to the Promised land Israel so you can cultivate the land and have the tithe that God required in the Mosaic Law.

But remember…
.Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

If you are not going to “Do It By The Book”, don’t try to convince me that you are being obedient to God in tithing. It is just the opposite… you are being rebellious to what He decreed concerning how His holy tithe was to be observed and kept.

Maybe it’s best you stop offending in that point of the Law and just submit to God’s will concerning your giving today.

2 Corinthians 9:6-7 But this [I say], He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, [so let him give]; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

God does not require tithe of your money. Instead, He wants you to give simply out of your love for Him.
Not as others dictate, but as you choose in your heart. Give with a willing heart; not because you have to, but because you want to… and He will be pleased.

 

[fredoheaven]

To Test,

This post is in response with civility in mind and since tithe cannot save us.

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Test_F_i_2_Luv: Abram gave Melchizedek a single one time tithe(not plural "tithes") on war spoils(Gen 14:20), not on earnings. He came to the aid of his Nephew Lot, who had gotten himself into trouble(Gen 14:12).

War spoils from saving his nephew and wages/earnings from a job are two different things. This is a comparison of apples and oranges.

fredoheaven: The issue seems not to determine what was given (spoils or savings, wages or earnings) but the performance of giving. The principle sounds like, Am I really giving the tenth or not?

Test_F_i_2_Luv: The original issue, as asked by the Wesil when he started the thread, is whether or not we are required to give 10%(a tithe) of our income to God. Wesil stated that he has been doing so. He also state that he had heard in a sermon recently that tithing was O.T. and not a N.T. requirement.
Your comment/question potentially expands the principle of giving. Not only would one be giving on earnings/wages/salary, but potentially on assets, gifts, inheritance, etc. The question becomes: are you giving 10% on everything?

Abram's tithe to Melchizedek has nothing to do with the current day teachings on giving. Abram gave on war spoils, not on earnings/salary/wages. He recovered what was lost in war. The text is irrelevant to tithing on income because it had nothing to do with an occupation/job/profession.

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Fredoheaven : Okay,what am I concerned was “the tenth” of Abram given; the percentage or the rate which is 10% that gets interest me which is thus far in line with original issue. It is “the tenth” more than what the item or the product.
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Test_F_i_2_Luv: If people are really going to use Abram as an example, though, they should keep in mind that Abram actually didn't keep anything for himself. If one reads a little farther in the chapter(Gen 14:23), this is clearly stated. If tithing proponents are going to use Abram as an example,then they shouldn't be keeping anything for themselves.

fredoheaven: After the tenth (10% of the spoils), there remains 90% of the spoils yet the remainder which we don’t know what the partition was disributed among the King and the young men that ate, the portion of men which went with Abram, as well as Anel, Eschol and Mamre. In the New Testament the tenth(10%) so far was given more weight than the remains although the thought is that Abram given all. What I am keeping personally right now is the tenth plus more. In so far fredoheaven, cannot compare mine to Abraham but at least I am lining myself in the tenth which is scripturally taught. The tenth is the minimum or base fredoheaven is giving.

2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

Test_F_i_2_Luv: Abram's tithe on war spoils is a poor example. Yet, if we are going to use it for determining our giving, we can not deny that Abram kept none of the spoils for himself.

As I read the passage about Abram's tithe, I see Abram putting more emphasis on the 90%. Notice the discussion on the 10%(orange) and the discussion on the rest(red):

Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High, and he blessed Abram, saying,

“Blessed be Abram by God Most High,
Creator of heaven and earth.
And praise be to God Most High,
who delivered your enemies into your hand.”

Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything.

The king of Sodom said to Abram, “Give me the people and keep the goods for yourself.”

But Abram said to the king of Sodom, “With raised hand I have sworn an oath to the Lord, God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth, that I will accept nothing belonging to you, not even a thread or the strap of a sandal, so that you will never be able to say, ‘I made Abram rich.’ I will accept nothing but what my men have eaten and the share that belongs to the men who went with me—to Aner, Eshkol and Mamre. Let them have their share.” -Gen 14:18-24

Looking at this passage closer, it appears that the tither should get bread and wine before giving his/her tithe to the priest. Secondly, the 90% should go to a different individual.

2 Cor 10:12 is about boasting about one's work. 2 Cor 10:13 provides clarity.

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Fredoheaven: So far, if the book of Hebrews is concerned where the instances cited, the scriptures gave emphasis on the “the tenth”, whereas, there’s no longer mentioned neither of Aner, Eschol and Mamre’s share nor of the King of Sodom and that’s my point.
Hebrews 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Hebrews 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
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Test_F_i_2_Luv: Since Abram is being used as an example, I'd be curious to know if anyone can supply Biblical evidence of Abram paying a tithe on another occasion on actual earnings? In other words, is there evidence that Abram tithed on what he earned through his occupation/job/profession, or did he just pay the one war-time tithe on spoils?

fredoheaven: There’s no need for further evidence. “The just shall live by faith.” I just don't know if this still hold true, "When the bible is silent, we must be silent" otherwise it will be a mere speculation. God bless...

Test_F_i_2_Luv: The Bible isn't silent on tithing. In the O.T. there were at least 3 tithes paid by certain Israelites. There was a Levitical tithe, a Festival tithe, and a Poor tithe. The tithes add up to over 20%. In addition, Israelites gave firstfruits and offerings. We aren't under the O.T. law. Most of us aren't in the agriculture/livestock business.

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Fredoheaven: The “tenth” record was not set on what was earned on his job/ occupation. It seems that it would be best not to look for any further evidence when the Bible does not mention. Say for example, I have to presume that Abram did, obviously, some will say it is not found in the Bible, and I am just speculating it… but if you can provide me a verse then I would gladly believe it. But then again I just don’t know if have located that in the Bible. Similar to this situation is Jacob’s promised to tithe.

Be blessed…
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[StandingFirmInChrist]

Jacob’s Vow
by Ronald W Robey

Many pastors who teach that God requires a monetary tithe claim that Genesis 28:22 proves that Jacob tithed: Of course, when one cherry-picks verses for proof-text, one can prove just about anything to the minds and hearts of those who do not study to show themselves approved unto God as workmen who know how to rightly divide the Word of truth. Why, even the devil used Scripture to try to deceive our Lord when He was in the wilderness.

The fact is, Genesis 28:22 does not say Jacob tithed. It simply says he vowed to tithe.

But did Jacob really tithe everything; i.e., money, clothing, etc., as many pastors claim? There is not one Scripture in the entire Word of God that indicate such. As a matter of fact, when the above verse is read in its proper context, it is easy to see that Jacob was not promising to tithe money, clothing, etc..
Begin reading at verse 13. God tells Jacob in his dream that he is going to give something to Jacob. What did He promise?

Genesis 28:13-15 And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed; And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this lI and; for I will not leave thee, until I have done that which I have spoken to thee of.

God promised land… not money… land.

And Jacob, upon waking from the dream told God he would give tithes of all that the Lord would give him… the context shows Jacob was referring to land. Sorry pastor, but you fail miserably at Bible interpretation in regards to Jacob’s vow to God in Genesis 28.

Genesis 28:20-22 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, So that I come again to my father’s house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God: And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God’s house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

What do we see once the Law is established? God commanding a tithe of what? the seed of the land, the fruit of the tree, every tenth animal that passed under the rod…. not money, but rather agricultural products.

And who was required to tithe of the agricultural products?
Leviticus 27:34 These are the commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sinai.

One may say, wait, that is not Jacob, but Jacob’s descendants in Leviticus.

True, but the Bible calls the nation of Israel, Jacob.

Psalms 147:19-20 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel. He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD.

He gave his statutes to Jacob, to Israel. God’s establishing the tithe under the Mosaic Law was simply Him holding Israel to the vow their father Jacob had made more than 400 years prior at Beth-El.

God did not want that vow being fulfilled by just anyone. He wanted it to be fulfilled by Israel, Jacob’s descendants, according to the Scripture above.

He also did not want that tithe to be given in any other geographical location than in the land He had promised to Jacob and from that land since Jacob had promised to give a tenth of that land that God promised Jacob back to God. Deuteronomy 12 reveals that the Israelites were not to begin tithing until they crossed over Jordan and entered the land promised to their father Jacob.

Deuteronomy 12:1 These are the statutes and judgments, which ye shall observe to do in the land, which the LORD God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it, all the days that ye live upon the earth.

Deuteronomy 12:10-11 But when ye go over Jordan, and dwell in the land which the LORD your God giveth you to inherit, and when he giveth you rest from all your enemies round about, so that ye dwell in safety; Then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; thither shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand, and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD:

The tithe could not be money. God told them it was to be crops and livestock. They could not choose to tithe money, they had to tithe according to the Law… the seed of the land, the fruit of the tree, and every tenth animal to pass under the rod.

They had to give God the portion of land that their father Jacob had vowed to give back to God… the children of Israel would honor their father’s vow by tithing the agricultural produce that the land produced.

Leviticus 27:30-33 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD’S: it is holy unto the LORD. And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof. And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD. He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.

Deuteronomy 12:8 Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.

The monetary tithe is an offense to God. It is man attempting to keep the law his way, a way that seems right to him. Yet God says you shall not do what seems right in your own eyes.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

It's obvious the awful inability to handle scriptures like Hebrews 7. It's advanced meat of the word, babes needing more milk.

The eternal priesthood has Jesus receiving tithes in heaven, accepted by the hands of gospel ministers.

I doubt a single tithe is received by Jesus when the offerer begrudges it as not valid. For the tither who does it out of love for Jesus, it is accepted and the blessing of the tithe is awarded.

In the case of the offering for the poor in 2 Cor 9, givers giving small receive small blessing, while those giving largely receive large blessing. It's conditionally proportional. I like the big blessings for the purpose he wrote, having greater capacity to be of help to more needy people. People settling for a little extra change in their pocket can't be of much help promoting the gospel or showing substantial mercy to the needy.

As for Abram's spoils of war, the spoils were legitimate wages for the victor. The armies that raided Sodom too all the goods of the city, killed the king, and captured Lot and family and his goods. The "goods" are all the holdings of the victims. All that Abram and his 318 armed men recovered were legally at the disposal of Abram and those men.

The "goods" would have included weapons, wagons, beasts of burden, camels, precious metals and gems, food collected from the various defeated armies, slaves, etc. Captured soldiers and their slaves were subject to become Abram's slaves. In that case Lot and family were potentially Abram's slaves, why Melchizedek requested Lot and his family as transferable property, while Abram should take the booty. But Abram kept Lot and family, setting them free, and declined all the spoils, leaving those with the King. So it is Abram tithed all, not just 10%. He tithed ten tithes at once (100%). He did it so none could say any man made Abram rich.

The reason why people resist the principles of that account is because the eternal priesthood (now under Jesus, the permanent Great High Priest of it) considers all possessions to be eligible for tithing and offering. It offends most people to be asked to let go of possessions for the Lord.

The mortal prieshood of the Law was commanded to tithe agri goods, whether in the form of approved items, or the money and holy items given in exchange for those items sold rather than transported.

So a strawman argument is continuing about tithing, claiming all tithing is of the Law and no longer legitimate, while that isn't true.

My pastor doesn't require tithing from everyone, but teaches and preaches it occasionally. We will not all any non-tither to be a leader, to have authority, to be on a committee, hold an office, influence children. It's a fact that tithers are disciplined, dedicated, obedient workers who don't argue with commandments the Lord provides. They are committed to the support of the ministry, demonstrating the promises of the tithe, givers instead of takers, carrying their fair share of the burdens. Tithes make individual burdens light.

Tithes continue along the lines of the eternal priesthood model with us, accepting money, jewelry, food for the pantry (a huge project), boats, cars, land, stocks and bonds, anything with value that can be used in ministry, sold, or given to families in need, such as when displaced by fire. Our goal is to always completely outfit folks suffering like that, even replacing burned cars, lawn mower, whatever they lost that they need. People are free to offer whatever "goods" the Lord tells them is their tithe. It's easy to figure how much. Whatever you are increased since the last tithe, find somethng standing for 10%. All that keeps the preacher from having to beg for funds.

What I object to is a preacher putting people under pressure, calling for 10 to come forward with $1000," the Lord telling us right now to do it". Not biblical!

Yet calls for home groups, drop the church facilities. That isn't practical for a church of hundreds of members. We have a sanctuary, and home groups. A problem with home groups around here is most people don't have space or enough seating for meetings and many have children that make meetings difficult when visitors bring their children, so the homes become playgrounds. So we have several homes for that, with owners able to hire a babysitter, keeping the kids in a game room or other nice accommodation. More often elder ladies come to take that over. Those home group homes are all really nice big homes, and those with children help model kids that don't know how to act outside their own homes.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

The ONLY Blessing for tithing promised in the Bible was rain for the land of Canaan which caused an abundance of agricultural produce, the prevention of locusts from eating the agricultural crops, and the prevention from agricultural crops spoiling before harvest time.

There is no such doctrine in the Word of God as a Blessing given for tithing ones money to a local Church.

My mother lived in poverty all of her life and died in poverty,... even though she had tithed more than half a century. She never saw the alleged 'Blessing of the tithe" that deceitful ministers preach from the pulpits around the world. And no, she was not tithing begrudgingly.

The monetary income tithe doctrine is a fairy tale invented to extort money from uneducated people. Despite the fact that there is no verse in the entire Bible where any Patriarch, Prophet or Apostle ever taught, gave or paid, a monetary income tithing, there are thousands upon thousands who have been conditioned to accept the monetary income tithe fairy tale as if it were a reality.

Those who espouse the monetary income tithe doctrine serve another god, and not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Abram Abram did not tithe ten tenths.

 

[Grace777x70]

I still think the " Malachi 3 Manipulation Method " still works...

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

I still think the " Malachi 3 Manipulation Method " still works...

It may "seem" to work, but since there are thousands of people who remain impoverished even though they are faithful "tithers," it doesn't actually work.

 

[Grace777x70]

It's all in the Manipulation.....there is a better way..Jesus is our tithe..He fulfilled it all!

It may "seem" to work, but since there are thousands of people who remain impoverished even though they are faithful "tithers," it doesn't actually work.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Jesus certainly did fulfill the Law. However, since the Bible assures us that God never required tithes of Gentile nations, I can't see how He became our tithe.

 

[Grace777x70]

I agree!....here is a video talking about Jesus being the tithe..you may like it...

[video=youtube;2SIXNOcDynw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SIXNOcDynw[/video]

Jesus certainly did fulfill the Law. However, since the Bible assures us that God never required tithes of Gentile nations, I can't see how He became our tithe.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

It may "seem" to work, but since there are thousands of people who remain impoverished even though they are faithful "tithers," it doesn't actually work.

Prove your hypothesis. I have scriptural promise! That's the initial step already done. I don't have to prove fulfillment, though I do in personal testimony backed by local witnesses. God is my witness. Will you declare before God that what you think about it is from God? He awaits your response, though he knows your heart already, and your willingness to stand accountable for your words. Since you are apparently still alive, you have tie to check it out with him. Will you possibly be a willing agent of Satan to disturb the finances of the body of Christ?

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Abram Abram did not tithe ten tenths.

Prove your hypothesis. On the basis of a ten percent tithe, Abram yielding all, my conclusion is well founded, being a ten fold tithe.

Ten tenths equals 100%. translated as "all".

 

[Word_Swordsman]

It may "seem" to work, but since there are thousands of people who remain impoverished even though they are faithful "tithers," it doesn't actually work.

Prove your hypothesis. I have scriptural promise! That's the initial step already done. I don't have to prove fulfillment, though I do in personal testimony backed by local witnesses. God is my witness. Will you declare before God that what you think about it is from God? He awaits your response, though he knows your heart already, and your willingness to stand accountable for your words. Since you are apparently still alive, you have time to check it out with him. Will you possibly be a willing agent of Satan to disturb the finances of the body of Christ?

Is every verse of the Law evil? Will you curse every precept? Do you consider something of the Law to be instantly evil, to be ignored? If so, do you now think murder is righteousness?

 

[Dino246]

Will you possibly be a willing agent of Satan to disturb the finances of the body of Christ?

This is an appeal to fear, not a valid exegesis of the Word. It comes from exactly the same 'spirit' as the Malachi manipulation method. This 'spirit' (whether an attitude/approach or a literal spiritual entity) is not from God. God is love, and love casts out fear.

You are trying to uphold the Mosaic Law. In Christ we are free from the Law. You can try to reinterpret it ten ways from Sunday and you are still being a Judaizer. Tithing is of the Mosaic Law. Acts 15 makes it abundantly clear that Gentile Christians are not required to tithe.

It's obvious the awful inability to handle scriptures like Hebrews 7. It's advanced meat of the word, babes needing more milk. The eternal priesthood has Jesus receiving tithes in heaven, accepted by the hands of gospel ministers.

Your attitude regarding Hebrews 7 is arrogant. Your interpretation of the passage is quite devoid of scriptural support.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Prove your hypothesis. I have scriptural promise! That's the initial step already done. I don't have to prove fulfillment, though I do in personal testimony backed by local witnesses. God is my witness. Will you declare before God that what you think about it is from God? He awaits your response, though he knows your heart already, and your willingness to stand accountable for your words. Since you are apparently still alive, you have tie to check it out with him. Will you possibly be a willing agent of Satan to disturb the finances of the body of Christ?

Your alledged 'Scriptural proof' is really no proof at all.

Malachi's promise of blessing for returning the tithe was for the land of Canaan, not for other nations.

The tithe was agricultural, not monetary.

The promised blessing was rain from heaven to water the field bringing sn abundance of agricultural produce that God would protect from damage and spoil.

it had nothing to do with people living outside of Canaan, and certainly nothing to do with a monetary tithe.