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Imsaved

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I want to ask about how you keep the sabbath and why you do it if we are saved by grace alone?
 
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gotime said:
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Notice here we have a war in heaven between the dragon and his angels, which we know is Satan and his angels and Michael and his angels. The war in heaven is important, so why is God or Jesus not involved. why are the angels Michaels angels and not Gods?
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Then again, God or Jesus is involved as I read the scriptures here Michael and his angels used the blood of the Lamb to overcome Satan and his angels. Rev. 12:10 says “…our God, and the power of his Christ” then how come they are not involved.
 
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Imsaved said:
I want to ask about how you keep the sabbath and why you do it if we are saved by grace alone?
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Hi,

Don't worry about keeping the Sabbath. I don't keep it. I'm saved by God's Grace through faith.:D
 
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I'm not worried because i know some seventh day adventists and they follow the sabbath rule to the letter.
 
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gotime said:
Just reading these few texts from the Bible seem to create more questions than answers. Who is Michael anyway? Michael is the archangel, the chief of the angels. He is described as one of the chief princes and our prince. When He stands up, things happen. He is described as standing for the children of thy people. So when He stands, there is a time of trouble that results in God's people being delivered, every one who's name if found written in the book. He contends directly against Satan and the angels in heaven are described as being Michael's angels.
So, I want to ask you a question. Because Michael does things that we might think God or Jesus should be doing: Is it possible that Michael could be Jesus Christ? To answer this question, I will explore the evidence from the Bible.

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Here we see the Lord coming from heaven and he is shouting with the voice of an archangel. Those of you who know how Greek works will know that this voice is being directly connected as the voice of the Lord. and not someone or something that is speaking on His behalf.
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Here is the Greek game. The battle cry here is not a Greek word but an English word “with” as used or put in the scriptures. Your definition of “with” is based on Greek, but mine is based on the word of God. My “with” here is “to accompany” thus, the “shout” of victory, the “voice of archangel” and the “trump” are all related to the angels as they accompanied Jesus. No, it is the voice of angel and not the voice of the Lord.
2 Thes 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the oth
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for thetrumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Rev 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
 
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Ok thank you. I just wanted to know the reason
 
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gotime said:
now lets have a look at what Christ said when he was on earth:

Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Here we have proof from Jesus own mouth that shows it is actually Jesus who speaks and then the dead in Christ rise. according to John 5 Jesus must be the one who speaks in Thessalonians. Thus with Jesus' words we know that 1 thessalonians means that Jesus descends from heaven with the voice of the Archangel. we see in both of these that it is the voice that causes the dead to come to life. thus they must be the same person.

I will continue on this study later I have run out of time. next we will go into how Jesus is called the angel of the Lord in the old testament. which simply means messenger of the Lord. Before I go I want to make on thing clear. I do not believe that Jesus is created. Jesus is God and has always been God. Michael is just a name he had before he became a man. Revelation says he has received a new name. we will look further into this when I have time. but know this. we have just started scratching the surface of the evidence that Michael is another name for the one we know as Jesus. and he is not an angel but God.
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Here is the tweak, “ Here we have proof from Jesus own mouth that shows it is actually Jesus who speaks and then the dead in Christ rise. according to John 5 Jesus must be the one who speaks in Thessalonians”

John5 is the earthly ministry of Jesus how he healed the sick, the blind to see, the lame/leper walk, the dumb speak, the demons were casts out and even the dead were raised. The scriptures says “The hour is coming and now is” which exactly what Christ did in his earthly ministry., John testified as he wrote on the occasion of Jesus earthly ministry, Paul, on the other hand sees the imminent event on the coming of our Lord Jesus at the air. No… Michael is not Jesus. They are not the same person.
 
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james57 said:
Christians are told to follow after the holy spirit, not the written code( rom7:6)

Why do seventh day Adventists follow after the written code?
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What is the written code? That term is not found anywhere in the Bible.
 
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GenJesus said:
My question to an Adventist happenes to be; can Ellen be proved as a true prophet?
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Doctrines of the SDA church are not based on Ellen White they are based on the Bible. The role of Ellen White's writings is to expand on the Bible not as an addition to the Bible or to base doctrine on her writings. You can go to this website for more info Applying the Test to Ellen White
 
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GenJesus said:
My question to an Adventist happenes to be; can Ellen be proved as a true prophet?
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She proves to be a false prophet for falsely prophesying doomsday on multiple occasions in the 1800s AD, which obviously by us even existing here to talk about it in late 2015 AD proves her false. That is why the SDA is not Christian, it is rather a cult.
 
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Seventh-day Adventist Cult Exposed​
By David J. Stewart​
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Whatever! This is bull....this is a self-righteous, I'm better than you and you belong to cult attitude. Give the guy a chance to explain himself.

I find that no church has all the answers.....So why the self-righteous attitude?
 
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Nalu said:
The Seventh Day Adventist, hmmmmmmmmm.

Do Seventh Day Adventist still follow the demented teachings of Ellen G White?
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You know your mamma should have taught you better then to run off with your potty mouth. You too come off self-righteous.

Look, Adventism has its problem, but I guarantee so do you.
 
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Laodicea said:
Do you ever do any research of your own or do you always follow what people say?
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Can't think for himself/herself. Again, self-righteous. Everyone is wrong and legalistic accept me type attitude.
 
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Shilo said:
Why do they call Ellen White a prophet when she did not think of herself this way.
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Ellen White was a messenger sent by God to the SDA church during its beginnings. She was used as a tool to guide the church in its early stages.

She stated that she wouldn't have been needed if the church had studied the Bible for themselves. She also stated that the Bible was the infallible source of truth and that she was fallible. She was a guide, if you will, to the Bible and the Bible only.
 
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Roberth said:
Ellen White was a messenger sent by God to the SDA church during its beginnings. She was used as a tool to guide the church in its early stages.

She stated that she wouldn't have been needed if the church had studied the Bible for themselves. She also stated that the Bible was the infallible source of truth and that she was fallible. She was a guide, if you will, to the Bible and the Bible only.
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Any false prophet can say that. Were Sundayers before she was born; going to hell; as "Sundayers"? Can u tell me how she accounted for Ex 12:16; Lev 9:1-2; Lev 23:11-21; Col 2:14-17; Gal 2:16? Her writings need to be looked at in detail. I only punched up; "Ellen said Jesus died for angels", and I was taken to sites that expose her as a possible false prophet. I myself; wrote what I think of as my "Sunday" declaration. I'm sorry if u disagree. I saw her comment on Col 2:14; she said nothing about 16-17; and she goes on to Psalm 119:89. A true prophet would build on Pauls final Sabbath command; not bypass as she did. I can email u my "Sunday" declaration if ur interested.
 
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Roberth said:
Ellen White was a messenger sent by God to the SDA church during its beginnings. She was used as a tool to guide the church in its early stages.

She stated that she wouldn't have been needed if the church had studied the Bible for themselves. She also stated that the Bible was the infallible source of truth and that she was fallible. She was a guide, if you will, to the Bible and the Bible only.
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She was NOT used by God. God doesnt give us false prophecies.
She was a crazy delusional woman and the fact that you stand behind her says nothing for you!
 
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Roberth said:
Whatever! This is bull....this is a self-righteous, I'm better than you and you belong to cult attitude. Give the guy a chance to explain himself.

I find that no church has all the answers.....So why the self-righteous attitude?
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No need to worry about lovechild she was banned a long time ago.
 
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Roberth said:
You know your mamma should have taught you better then to run off with your potty mouth. You too come off self-righteous.

Look, Adventism has its problem, but I guarantee so do you.
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In the first place, a potty mouth is one that curses. Nalu didnt curse. You dont like to hear the truth. Ellen was a false prophetess. She was a nut!! You cannot argue with that. So.........................why do you follow a false religion that refers back to her? The basis is flawed and so is everything coming out of it.
 
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