Tithe!

[Euphemia]

good points! though, consider, if you wish...

the things you talked about could all be done by a local church without a building... yet the building will consume a large portion of the money given...

so, if you feel good about giving to a local church, or any christian ministry, by all means, do it!

A very small portion of people's tithes goes toward heat, hydro and other sundty items, not to mention payroll, and that covers our church school (jr kindergarten to grade 12), our cafe, dance school and art school. A church that preaches the word of truth and operates with a good budget and has savings to boot is a church that is very trustworthy with the Lord's provision. I'd tithe to the Lord as a member of a church like ours any day.

 

[Euphemia]

That is an opinion of man, but it is not the truth.

1Cor. 16 ...a collection 'for the Saints' who needed help. This is not tithes.

Not one verse in the NT saying a church building is a storehouse. Though today it is a storehouse to pile wealth up for the wolf in charge.

Will anyone ever grow a clue. This has been covered so many times.

At least today's tithing system is fair. The poor man tithes and gets poorer. A rich man tithes and barely flinches. Sounds like a God plan to me!

 

[phil112]

....................................Remember the poor widow and her mite given as alms? That tiny coin was acknowledged by Jesus Himself and blessed. How much more does God acknowledge and bless the tithe and the tither?

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You tell me. The men before that old woman, who cast in two mites, gave considerably more, yet Christ disdained them didn't He?

 

[phil112]

When you speak like this you prove you do jot understand that everything belongs to God and that what He asks of us is a mere one tenth to go toward the local fellowship. You have a begrudging spirit and join your voice with others of the same spirit, as if it's some sort of sin to trust God with that tenth, that it is wasted money. Indeed, every penny of one's tithe is multiplied to do more than its literal dollar amount.

I'm sure you don't mind showing some figures and links to support that, I mean you surely wouldn't put something out for fact that is merely hypothesis would you?

A tithe is a tax. Period. No one pays taxes cheerfully. Christ wants you to give willingly, of a cheerful heart.
Nowhere in the new testament are we directed to tithe. That is nothing more than a burden put on people by legalists.
If people would "study to show themselves approved unto God", they would have a more perfect understanding of His word.

And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.

 

[Euphemia]

I'm sure you don't mind showing some figures and links to support that, I mean you surely wouldn't put something out for fact that is merely hypothesis would you?

I will not divulge our church's financials.

A tithe is a tax. Period. No one pays taxes cheerfully. Christ wants you to give willingly, of a cheerful heart.
Nowhere in the new testament are we directed to tithe. That is nothing more than a burden put on people by legalists.
If people would "study to show themselves approved unto God", they would have a more perfect understanding of His word.

Well, a tithe is not a gift. It is a payment to God over and above our giving. Jesus in His coming never once spoke of the tithe being rescinded. In fact, He spoke of the tithe that it was a good thing.

Now, people whoa re against the tithe are not sinning for not tithing...and neither are those whom God has laid on their heart to tithe sinning. This is a spiritually discerned matter. So, the negativity coming from non-tithers is unnecessary. God wants me to tithe, and He has shown me why, and so to disobey Him would be a sin. If the Lord has not shown you (anyone) about the tithe (yet), then you are not responsible to tithe and nothing is held against you by God. It is when He speaks that it is something He desires from a person and the person refuses, that God will set to work to turn that heart around.


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[fredoheaven]

Hi,

A. Jesus talked about tithe. It is a bible word in the N.T.

Luke 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone

B. Paul address it. Paul mentioned of the “laying in store” for the the O.T. word storehouse giving in Malachi. Another thing, the early church of Jerusalem is composed mainly of the Jewish people so that they are not new of the teaching of the tithe.
1 Corinthians 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

C. Not really. Remember, tithe is not actually a giving, it is a returning. More than the tithe is actually giving and that what the Apostles is urging the believers. Tithes goes way back even before the Law of Moses was established. Abraham tithed, so a Christian may tithe just like Abraham did. Be sure to tithe but not tight in giving. God Bless!

In addition, I have no problem giving my tax so I have no problem with the teaching of tithes. Any problem, you have to complain to your government unless your'e tax free.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I'm sure you don't mind showing some figures and links to support that, I mean you surely wouldn't put something out for fact that is merely hypothesis would you?

A tithe is a tax. Period. No one pays taxes cheerfully. Christ wants you to give willingly, of a cheerful heart.
Nowhere in the new testament are we directed to tithe. That is nothing more than a burden put on people by legalists.
If people would "study to show themselves approved unto God", they would have a more perfect understanding of His word.

And nowhere in the OT were they directed to tithe the way modern tithing is taught. The tithe was never money (without penalty), and it was never paid on earned income. Only people who raised livestock or grew crops tithed the tenth animal or tenth measure of their increase. The tenth animal born belonged to GOD, not 10% of 9 animals.

 

[Wesil]

Hi guys I've read your replies and thanks for them! Istill need more clarification! a) Did Jesus and Apostles teach about Tithing? If Yes proof with scripture! If No proof with scripture! b) Why do we tithe? i) To avoid being cursed! ii) So that God can release His blessings! iii)Out of aheart of gratitude! vi) As aresponse to God's Love! v) To surpot church ministers who serve us in church and the needy saints in the church! Or all for all these five reasons! C) Should we bother to know how these finances are used or that is bringing in church politics?

 

[Dan_473]

Hi,

A. Jesus talked about tithe. It is a bible word in the N.T.

Luke 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone

B. Paul address it. Paul mentioned of the “laying in store” for the the O.T. word storehouse giving in Malachi. Another thing, the early church of Jerusalem is composed mainly of the Jewish people so that they are not new of the teaching of the tithe.
1 Corinthians 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

C. Not really. Remember, tithe is not actually a giving, it is a returning. More than the tithe is actually giving and that what the Apostles is urging the believers. Tithes goes way back even before the Law of Moses was established. Abraham tithed, so a Christian may tithe just like Abraham did. Be sure to tithe but not tight in giving. God Bless!

as I read it, Jesus is telling the Pharisees to tithe... which to me makes sense...

myself, I don't see a Malachi / 1 cor 16 connection... 1 cor 16 literally says, "put by himself".

 

[oldthennew]

here are a few scriptures that spoke volumes to us over the years and truly changed our lives...

MATT.5:41. - And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

JAMES4:17. - Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.

1JOHN3:17. - But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need,
and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

 

[Dan_473]

A very small portion of people's tithes goes toward heat, hydro and other sundty items, not to mention payroll, and that covers our church school (jr kindergarten to grade 12), our cafe, dance school and art school. A church that preaches the word of truth and operates with a good budget and has savings to boot is a church that is very trustworthy with the Lord's provision. I'd tithe to the Lord as a member of a church like ours any day.

sounds great! do you have some of the the budget amounts? maybe the church budgets I've seen look different.

 

[Dan_473]

I will not divulge our church's financials.

I'm sad to hear that.

for myself, I'm very reluctant to give money to a ministry that doesn't want its dollar records out in public.

 

[posthuman]

And nowhere in the OT were they directed to tithe the way modern tithing is taught. The tithe was never money (without penalty), and it was never paid on earned income. Only people who raised livestock or grew crops tithed the tenth animal or tenth measure of their increase. The tenth animal born belonged to GOD, not 10% of 9 animals.

isn't it the "firstborn" and "firstfruit"? not the tenth in series? in some passages "the tenth" is written but i think it refers to the 1/10 fraction.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

isn't it the "firstborn" and "firstfruit"? not the tenth in series? in some passages "the tenth" is written but i think it refers to the 1/10 fraction.

Every male firstborn belonged to GOD. In the tithe, every tenth animal belonged to GOD, whether male or female, good or bad.

And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, [even] of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD. He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed. Leviticus 27:32-33​

 

[posthuman]

Every male firstborn belonged to GOD. In the tithe, every tenth animal belonged to GOD, whether male or female, good or bad.

And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, [even] of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD. He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed. Leviticus 27:32-33​

OK, thanks!

 

[posthuman]

in Deuteronomy 14:22-29 i see that yearly, the Israelites were to bring the tithe of their produce to Jerusalem and basically feast there themselves, remembering God who had provided for them over the year.
on the third year they were to store up all this in their own cities to feed the Levites (having no fields) and the orphans and widows and "strangers" with.

if they lived too far from Jerusalem to make the annual trip to feast there on the "tithe" -- they were to sell the tenth of their produce and use the money to buy "whatever their soul lusteth after" -- including "wine and strong drink" -- and feast in their own place, remembering God.
so an honest reading of this IMO is that with the right mind and heart, you could throw a party in God's honor once a year, with all kinds of good food and beer and alcohol, and this is part of the "tithe" -- am i way off?

how many of you put away a tenth of your income every third year to feed the poor with?
i mean, according to scripture the tithe wasn't just "give 10% of money to temple and you're done" - so if you're serious about believing it's a command, what should we do about this? i live too far from Jerusalem, for example - and i'm wondering if it has to be kosher wine at my annual feast of giving thanks? do they even make kosher rum? and is it OK to have ham? it does say "whatever my soul lusteth after" . . .

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

And nowhere in the OT were they directed to tithe the way modern tithing is taught. The tithe was never money (without penalty), and it was never paid on earned income. Only people who raised livestock or grew crops tithed the tenth animal or tenth measure of their increase. The tenth animal born belonged to GOD, not 10% of 9 animals.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The carnal ordinances of the law (including the tithe) was just a shadow of better things to come, but not the very image of those things as written. Some people are still going through keeping the "motions of the letter of the law" because they cannot hear what the Spirit was saying concerning those types and shadows in the law.

Sure the Lord loves a cheerful giver, so give to your hearts desire. But the tithe in the OT was for a sign of better offerings and sacrifices to come, even in the Lords portion, which is his people.

Here is a thread I wrote on the topic, though hard to understand, can be edifying for those who able to "hear" what the Spirit is saying in it.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/122757-lords-portion-his-people.html

 

[Dan_473]

Hi guys I've read your replies and thanks for them! Istill need more clarification!

to me, the answer is that tithing is clearly not a nt thing... at the same time, there are dear brothers and sisters here on CC that feel that it is...

my experience on CC is that this situation can often lead to long, complex disputes, and sometimes people get hurt feelings, etc...


here's and idea... and this might be a tool you'll want to use for other subjects... you could do a search to find all the passages where the word occurs... here's a link you could use to get started

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=NASB&quicksearch=tithe&begin=47&end=73

Should we bother to know how these finances are used...

I'd say definitely. I can't think of any reason a church would want its money amounts secret.

 

[p_rehbein]

Tithe! .................... Yes!


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[Wesil]

Thanks, Dan-473! Iguess I'll have to do my own research! Am not out to stir up controversy, Ijust thought Imight get some clarifications, but if these will cause people to stumble then I withdraw to my own research! I've gotten some real Insights though!!