“Confronting the Error of Hyper-Grace” – a response to Michael Brown
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I stick to the basics of grace.
But you can not understand that, because you do not listen to anything I say. You think you know what I believe because you are mad that I had the nerve to confront you about the way you treat people..
I even like some of your posts. and agree with a lot of what you say, So unlike you. I do not hold grudges, or just because someone disagrees with me, I make a war with them.
ps.. Saying Rom 7 is paul pre-conversion, does not support grace, it supports legalism.
Just saying, Your the ONLY grace person I know who believes the way you do.
But I did what I promised I would not do again, and went back to the topic.
I need to go back to my time out chair.
Why do you believe is OSAS?
By your own logic no one who truely believes and walks with the Lord will ever fall away.
So OSAS serves no purpose because it is not reassuring anybody who is actually saved, other than putting false hope in those who are not actually saved.
Take it to the next step. I am save and I walk with the Lord. Whether I believe is OSAS or not, I am going to heaven.
So you condemn me for something that makes no difference. So underneath this is a lie. And the lie is salvation is not true and Jesus cannot be trusted. To answer the lie OSAS, but the truth is you actually know people doubt and fall away, feel lost and empty, wonder if God is listening and take their own lives, and OSAS is reassuring.
That is lying to yourself and living in unbelief while claiming you do not. It does not surprise me when people really fear death and claiming they know love and Jesus is just not enough. Life is tough and tough things happen.
But for me OSAS is just about not trusting Jesus and His judgement. I do not know or want to know how it works, because I could not handle that knowledge, it would break my heart. But I know enough to trust Jesus and His revelation.
Are my works good enough? If Jesus says "I am pleased with Peter" then I say amen. I have nothing to prove, because He has loved me, to the depths of my soul. I do not rest on my performance because that is nothing compared to His love.
So all I can say is I hear confusion and denial, fear and ignorance.
By your own logic no one who truely believes and walks with the Lord will ever fall away.
So OSAS serves no purpose because it is not reassuring anybody who is actually saved, other than putting false hope in those who are not actually saved.
Take it to the next step. I am save and I walk with the Lord. Whether I believe is OSAS or not, I am going to heaven.
So you condemn me for something that makes no difference. So underneath this is a lie. And the lie is salvation is not true and Jesus cannot be trusted. To answer the lie OSAS, but the truth is you actually know people doubt and fall away, feel lost and empty, wonder if God is listening and take their own lives, and OSAS is reassuring.
That is lying to yourself and living in unbelief while claiming you do not. It does not surprise me when people really fear death and claiming they know love and Jesus is just not enough. Life is tough and tough things happen.
But for me OSAS is just about not trusting Jesus and His judgement. I do not know or want to know how it works, because I could not handle that knowledge, it would break my heart. But I know enough to trust Jesus and His revelation.
Are my works good enough? If Jesus says "I am pleased with Peter" then I say amen. I have nothing to prove, because He has loved me, to the depths of my soul. I do not rest on my performance because that is nothing compared to His love.
So all I can say is I hear confusion and denial, fear and ignorance.
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How can I not believe in OSAS.
If Salvation is a gift of God which can never be earned. It means it can never be lost.
If it can be lost. it must be earned, and is not a gift.
They wont, because they will never walk away and fall into unbelief.
That's not Gods problem. God assured and paid for salvation. Not any person. OSAS is just a term.. which represents one who trusts that God will keep his promise.
Well I did not believe in OSAS. I believed in eternal life secured and sealed by God himself.
So I did not believe in osas Ithe name) so yes, you could be right.
To say salvation can be lost is the lie, Your trusting in self. You can deny it all you want, that does not make it any more true than a person who thinks he can believe in God and live any way he wants believes in the doctrine of OSAS (saved by Grace alone)
You both reject it.
You do not know or understand OSAS..
You can not condemn a doctrine you can not understand. And if you do not want to know what it means. That's on you not me..
If Salvation is a gift of God which can never be earned. It means it can never be lost.
If it can be lost. it must be earned, and is not a gift.
They wont, because they will never walk away and fall into unbelief.
That's not Gods problem. God assured and paid for salvation. Not any person. OSAS is just a term.. which represents one who trusts that God will keep his promise.
Well I did not believe in OSAS. I believed in eternal life secured and sealed by God himself.
So I did not believe in osas Ithe name) so yes, you could be right.
To say salvation can be lost is the lie, Your trusting in self. You can deny it all you want, that does not make it any more true than a person who thinks he can believe in God and live any way he wants believes in the doctrine of OSAS (saved by Grace alone)
You both reject it.
You do not know or understand OSAS..
You can not condemn a doctrine you can not understand. And if you do not want to know what it means. That's on you not me..
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Whatever dude, you have issues, and you want to blame your issues on everyone but yourself. you refuse to take accountability for your own actions.
If I was as you say, I would fight and go to war with anyone who does not agree with me. It is obvious to anyone who knows me that is not true.
As I said, if I act the way you say I do. I would have been banned many times by now..
If I was as you say, I would fight and go to war with anyone who does not agree with me. It is obvious to anyone who knows me that is not true.
As I said, if I act the way you say I do. I would have been banned many times by now..
