Do you agree with this?
But if you are led by the spirit you are not under lawgal5:18
If you give me the answer I think you might, I will quote the two preceding verses
“Confronting the Error of Hyper-Grace” – a response to Michael Brown
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Do you agree with this?
But if you are led by the spirit you are not under lawgal5:18
If you give me the answer I think you might, I will quote the two preceding verses
Salvation is dependent on us becoming sons of God and walking in it. But like all things in life, we can walk away.
I known people who have done exactly that. I could not have said if they were saved or not, but they would now reject such a term. I have met people who have gone to church all their lives and would be insulted to be called sinners, ever.
Judas walked with Jesus, yet he betrayed him. The church has been arguing as to his spiritual status since then.
Many heretics have come and gone, who started apparently in the faith, but now are somewhere else.
So from a human perspective there is no way of me saying what they were in the past other than they appeared to be saved and now are not.
I hate to be practical and real life, but this concept is not hard. If you stay faithful to Jesus he will stay faithful to you.
Even if you walk away, He still waits for the prodigal son to return. All the promises are true and everything works together for those who are called, but none of us know fully who they are.
Another way of thinking about this, is I am father to my children. They could go so bad I disown them, but mostly I will be faithful to them wherever they are, and will answer their call. The Lord appears no different, but their are limits.
God killed thousands of Israelities over their rebellions and sins. Judgement did fall, and it was just. God has not changed, as we walk at our own peril away from Him once we have tasted the truth of His love and forgiveness.
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FreeNChrist
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Do you believe that as a Christian you "get" forgiveness or that you "have" forgiveness?
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FreeNChrist
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So like yesterday you duck answering the question
Seems to me if you have such great knowledge of the gospel that few on this website seem to have you would answer the question
I answered yours yesterday btw
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FreeNChrist
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Personally I love the term hyper-grace because God's grace is hyper..super-abundant..above all that we could ask or think...it super abounds over any sin..
Just because people use the term to disparage the grace of Christ doesn't mean it's an accurate description of the grace of God in Christ and His finished work for us.
Just because people use the term to disparage the grace of Christ doesn't mean it's an accurate description of the grace of God in Christ and His finished work for us.
I repeat I answered it yesterday
But this sums you people up. You only want half a message, as soon as verses are put before you you don't like you gave to just ignore them.
Well the message comes as a whole, you cant just pick out bits you like and ignore the rest.
So your silence shows you dont understand the whole message doesn't it
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eternally-gratefull
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I do not get my bible doctrinal beliefs from Wikipedia. not form any english dictionary.
If you want a wikepedia gospel. feel free. But most likely, that is what your problems is.
The word repent is an english word taken from a greek word which the origional author wrote it from. We do not use Wikipedia to see what he meant, We look the the word he wrote and see how people in his day would interpret that word.
well I was hoping we could stop these foolish attacks and just look to the word. But since you could not withhold judgment and attack.
I will respond by just saying, How can I have respect for a man who gets his bible doctrine from wikepeda?
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FreeNChrist
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eternally-gratefull
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Who is teaching Hyper grace
And your defending a legalist who would call your gospel hypergace because you believe in eternal secruity.
does this mean you are a legalist? (not saying you are, just trying to argue like everyone else him here lately seems to argue) You are defending a legalist, and calling people who believe as you do hypergracers..
SMH!!!
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eternally-gratefull
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why do people think they know what everyone is going to say.
And we wonder why there is so much division.
Your looking for people to mess up. I think you have lost it.
Are you going to answer the question concerning gal 5:18 or just carry on in your negative manner
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FreeNChrist
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If it were an honest observation you would have applied it to yourself, not projected it onto another.
There is a simple mistake here. If I take one word used in a culture and say that defines its meaning biblically I am missing the point.
"If anyone thoughtlessly takes an oath to do anything, whether good or evil (in any matter one might carelessly swear about) even though they are unaware of it, but then they learn of it and realize their guilt— when anyone becomes aware that they are guilty in any of these matters, they must confess in what way they have sinned. As a penalty for the sin they have committed, they must bring to the Lord a female lamb or goat from the flock as a sin offering; and the priest shall make atonement for them for their sin."
Lev 5:4-6
In this way the priest will make atonement for them before the Lord, and they will be forgiven for any of the things they did that made them guilty.
Lev 6:7
The term repentance or idea comes from an acknowledgement of guilt and an action that results.
In the law it was bringing the appropriate animal to be sacrificed.
For Nineveh it was sackcloth and ashes or David over his sin with Bathsheba.
In terms of bringing an issue we feel strongly about to the Lord, there is fasting. This is showing to the Lord this issue is important to us, and we want to focus on it.
Then Jacob tore his clothes, put on sackcloth and mourned for his son many days.
Gen 37:34
Then Joshua tore his clothes and fell facedown to the ground before the ark of the Lord, remaining there till evening. The elders of Israel did the same, and sprinkled dust on their heads.
Joshua 7:6
As old as Israel and christianity is, this has been a sign of distress, and calling to God.
Now you dishonour the sincerity of people and what simple words in these traditions mean. But that means nothing to you.
Because you have constructed as set of ideas that work and you will force the bible to support it.
Well I am sure it I apparent to all apart from your little clique that you cannot answer questions put to you concerning scripture.
So I repeat, you dont understand the whole message
How do you deflect from that uncomfortable truth?
Attack me personally I guess
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FreeNChrist
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Which of the following is the best definition of repentance:
1. Repentance means to turn from sin
2. Repentance means to change your mind
As we saw in the last post, repentance is a lot like football. It means different things to different people. But Biblical repentance simply means “change your mind.” You can change your mind about anything, but Jesus called us to change our mind and believe the good news (Mk 1:15).
Your definition of repentance will reveal whether you are living under grace or works. In the Old Testament, sinners repented by bringing a sacrifice of penance and confessing their sins (Num 5:7). But in the new we bring a sacrifice of praise and confess His name (Heb 13:15).
We don’t do anything to deal with our sins for Jesus has done it all. Our part is to change our mind, believe the good news, and say thank you Jesus! If that’s not practical enough for you, then start praising Jesus who died to free us from sin and whose grace empowers us to sin no more. See yourself as dead to sin and alive to Christ.
No matter how much I preach on grace, some people just can’t see the cross for their sins.
They write to tell me I’m under-selling repentance. What they really mean is, “Paul you’re not telling people to turn from their sin.” In many churches this is exactly the message you will hear. “God is holy and He won’t accept you unless you turn from sin.” It’s sold as a “message of repentance” and it appeals to our sense of right and wrong but it’s utterly false.
It’s a lie from the pit of hell designed to promote the flesh and keep you from coming to Jesus. The truth is God is holy and He won’t accept you no matter what you do. His acceptance and favor come by grace alone.
Got a sin-problem? Then come boldly to the throne of grace to receive mercy and find grace. His grace is your only hope.
1. Repentance means to turn from sin
2. Repentance means to change your mind
As we saw in the last post, repentance is a lot like football. It means different things to different people. But Biblical repentance simply means “change your mind.” You can change your mind about anything, but Jesus called us to change our mind and believe the good news (Mk 1:15).
Your definition of repentance will reveal whether you are living under grace or works. In the Old Testament, sinners repented by bringing a sacrifice of penance and confessing their sins (Num 5:7). But in the new we bring a sacrifice of praise and confess His name (Heb 13:15).
We don’t do anything to deal with our sins for Jesus has done it all. Our part is to change our mind, believe the good news, and say thank you Jesus! If that’s not practical enough for you, then start praising Jesus who died to free us from sin and whose grace empowers us to sin no more. See yourself as dead to sin and alive to Christ.
No matter how much I preach on grace, some people just can’t see the cross for their sins.
They write to tell me I’m under-selling repentance. What they really mean is, “Paul you’re not telling people to turn from their sin.” In many churches this is exactly the message you will hear. “God is holy and He won’t accept you unless you turn from sin.” It’s sold as a “message of repentance” and it appeals to our sense of right and wrong but it’s utterly false.
It’s a lie from the pit of hell designed to promote the flesh and keep you from coming to Jesus. The truth is God is holy and He won’t accept you no matter what you do. His acceptance and favor come by grace alone.
Got a sin-problem? Then come boldly to the throne of grace to receive mercy and find grace. His grace is your only hope.