Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[notuptome]

I believe that a person who accepts Jesus as their Savior and live up to the light they know and love and obey God will go to heaven and I do believe there are many Catholics that fit that description. God knows what is on a persons heart the rest of us are just poor guessers.

Kind of points to the underlying problem. The first ten words of the post is right on but then what I see is a rationalization to justify doctrine outside of the bible.

All that is required to have eternal life is a biblically correct knowledge of Jesus Christ. This cannot be achieved through church doctrine but through the sincere milk of the word of God and the primary ministry of the Holy Spirit.

We are to be witnesses to what Jesus has done for us not for our church. Testify if Gods saving grace. Admit that you are not worthy of salvation but through the love of God Jesus has forgiven you and promised to you eternal life. Jesus will do the same for whosoever will believe upon Him.

Make no doubt about it Rome does not teach this and those who are in Romanism who claim to be saved are saved in direct contradiction to Rome's official teachings. Are there saved roman Catholics? Yes but they can never grow to maturity in the Roman Catholic church. They will be fed from the Roman Catholic church only husks and nothing for Spiritual nourishment.

There are churches all around the world that are filled with people who believe because they are good they will go to heaven. They trust a false Jesus and not the Jesus of the bible. It is essential that one know Jesus in more than just His name. Even more important is that Jesus know us in person.

Example would be everyone knows the name of the man in the White House. He however would know very few of us.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Mec99]

Many Catholics may say they have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. BUT! How can they say this when they believe its by BAPTISM and WORKS that they receive Salvation?

Matthew 7:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

In these verses Jesus IS talking about the Catholics!

Just because they say they know Jesus means NOTHING! Its those who HAVE accepted Jesus Christ and accepted Salvation by Faith and Grace that will enter into Heaven.

Also everyone who Prays to Mary or asks anything of Mary or Bows down to a Statue of Mary will NEVER enter into Heaven!

Galatians 5:16-21
[SUP]16 [/SUP] But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]IDOLATRY, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you just as I have forewarned you that those who practice such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Praying to Mary, asking Mary anything, Bowing down to a Statue of Mary is IDOLATRY and will keep that person from entering into Heaven!

 

[Jackson123]

I don't understand, If any man have Holy Spirit and pray to Mary. And if a person doesn't have Holy spirit is not save

 

[hopesprings]

Many, many Catholics have been deceived by the Popes into Worshiping Mary as their God. Many, many Catholics will be upset when Jesus refuses to allow them into Heaven. Its a fact and its a shame.

The same can be said of Christians, Mike.

 

[notuptome]

The same can be said of Christians, Mike.

Doesn't justify wrong doctrine which creates in unexpected results.

Good people who do not know Jesus Christ according to biblical knowledge as revealed by the witness of the Holy Spirit will not receive eternal life with Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[KennethC]

The same can be said of Christians, Mike.

Yes there are bad doctrines floating around in some Christian churches that have them deceived as well, it is not just the Catholic's who are following a bad doctrine.

 

[Mec99]

There is a BIG difference between bad Doctrines and Doctrines from Satan!

No True Christian Church teaches Doctrines from Satan. Its only the Catholic Church which teaches Doctrines from Satan.

The Doctrine of Mary being without sin is from Satan because clearly God has said ALL have sinned. This Doctrine is not a bad Doctrine that maybe right or wrong, its a totally false Doctrine taught by Satan.

The Doctrine of Mary being assumed into Heaven is a Doctrine from Satan because no where in the Scriptures does God say Mary was assumed and those that were assumed we were told in the Scriptures that they were assumed!

The Doctrine of Mary being the mother of God is from Satan. Mary was only the mother of the body used by the Son of God to walk on this Earth. But yet the Catholics teach God HAS TO obey Mary because she is the mother of God!

Its not that the Catholics have gotten some Doctrines wrong, its that these Doctrines oppose what God says in the Scriptures.

 

[Jackson123]

There is a BIG difference between bad Doctrines and Doctrines from Satan!

No True Christian Church teaches Doctrines from Satan. Its only the Catholic Church which teaches Doctrines from Satan.

The Doctrine of Mary being without sin is from Satan because clearly God has said ALL have sinned. This Doctrine is not a bad Doctrine that maybe right or wrong, its a totally false Doctrine taught by Satan.

The Doctrine of Mary being assumed into Heaven is a Doctrine from Satan because no where in the Scriptures does God say Mary was assumed and those that were assumed we were told in the Scriptures that they were assumed!

The Doctrine of Mary being the mother of God is from Satan. Mary was only the mother of the body used by the Son of God to walk on this Earth. But yet the Catholics teach God HAS TO obey Mary because she is the mother of God!

Its not that the Catholics have gotten some Doctrines wrong, its that these Doctrines oppose what God says in the Scriptures.

+ Mary catholic version is not Mary bible version.

Mary bible version never appear and speak to people on earth after her departure from the earth.

Mary catholic version back and forth to perform teaching and prophecies.


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[dallasb78]

Why do most protestants say a christian is justified by faith alone when the book of James says we need faith and works?

[h=1]James 2:14-26New King James Version (NKJV)[/h][h=3]Faith Without Works Is Dead[/h]14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my[b] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[c] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[d] And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

 

[dallasb78]

There is a BIG difference between bad Doctrines and Doctrines from Satan!

No True Christian Church teaches Doctrines from Satan. Its only the Catholic Church which teaches Doctrines from Satan.

The Doctrine of Mary being without sin is from Satan because clearly God has said ALL have sinned. This Doctrine is not a bad Doctrine that maybe right or wrong, its a totally false Doctrine taught by Satan.

The Doctrine of Mary being assumed into Heaven is a Doctrine from Satan because no where in the Scriptures does God say Mary was assumed and those that were assumed we were told in the Scriptures that they were assumed!

The Doctrine of Mary being the mother of God is from Satan. Mary was only the mother of the body used by the Son of God to walk on this Earth. But yet the Catholics teach God HAS TO obey Mary because she is the mother of God!

Its not that the Catholics have gotten some Doctrines wrong, its that these Doctrines oppose what God says in the Scriptures.

While the Bible does say "all have sinned" it obviously means this in a general sense not in a absolute sense as Our Lord did not sin. Also very young children have not sinned.

Because something is not in the Bible does not mean it isn't true. The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not found in the Bible either.

Mary is the Mother of God because Jesus is God and Mary is His mother. If Mary was only the mother of His physical body than Jesus wouldn't be fully God and fully Man.

The real problem with denying Mary as Mother of God and affirming Mary to be only the mother of the man Christ Jesus is that in doing so, one invariably either denies the divinity of Christ (as the fourth-century Arians did), or one creates two persons with regard to Jesus Christ. Either error results in heresy.http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/how-can-mary-be-god%E2%80%99s-mother

 

[notuptome]

While the Bible does say "all have sinned" it obviously means this in a general sense not in a absolute sense as Our Lord did not sin. Also very young children have not sinned.

Because something is not in the Bible does not mean it isn't true. The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not found in the Bible either.

Mary is the Mother of God because Jesus is God and Mary is His mother. If Mary was only the mother of His physical body than Jesus wouldn't be fully God and fully Man.

The real problem with denying Mary as Mother of God and affirming Mary to be only the mother of the man Christ Jesus is that in doing so, one invariably either denies the divinity of Christ (as the fourth-century Arians did), or one creates two persons with regard to Jesus Christ. Either error results in heresy.http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/how-can-mary-be-god%E2%80%99s-mother

Mary could only be the vessel through which God provided Himself a body. God is without beginning and without end. Mary could not birth God.

Why is this so hard for Romanists to accept?

Every person born of Adams race is tainted with sin. Even new born children have a body conceived in sin. Does God have mercy upon those who cannot yet account for themselves? He has mercy upon those who can when they come to Him and seek forgiveness so it certainly follows that God will have mercy on those who by reason of age or impairment cannot form intent.

The curse of sin is passed upon all of the earth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Why do most protestants say a christian is justified by faith alone when the book of James says we need faith and works?

James 2:14-26New King James Version (NKJV)

Faith Without Works Is Dead

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my[b] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[c] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[d] And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

The living faith that James is speaking to will show forth works. The works are the result of faith in Christ and the presence of the Holy Spirit abiding in the person.

You cannot set James at odds with Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


Our justification before men is borne in our works but we are justified before God by Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Jackson123]

Why do most protestants say a christian is justified by faith alone when the book of James says we need faith and works?

James 2:14-26New King James Version (NKJV)

Faith Without Works Is Dead

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my[b] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[c] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[d] And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see th

TO KNOW WHAT IS MEAN WE HAVE TO LEARN THE WHOE PICTURE

ton of verses said salvation by faith not work.

WHAT James said is similar to what John said : if a man said he love the Lord and hate his brother, he is a liar

when He Love a man said he Love the Lord, It not always mean he Love the Lord. it can be lie

To Prove that he love the Lord, we not only take what he said but what he does.

Love the Lord demonstrate by whether he love other or not.

If you see your brother naked and you say I love you brother but you don't give him a cloth to wear, that mean you don't really love him. I believe that is what Jame tray to said.

I am cooking, and a get a phone call, Interrupt by this call, I am not sure if I put salt or not.


To make it sure, I taste it.

It is analog to what Jame said.

One may said he have a faith.

Is he honest or Lie.

To test whether he tell the truth or lie, we can see by his work.

Genuine faith will bear a good work.

In other word, Good work is product of Faith In Jesus, but to be save we need faith alone.

The thief on the cross don't have must time to do good work, but Jesus save him anyway. Because it only take faith to be save.


But faith is not alone.

Faith will bear the fruit.

Catholic:

Faith + work = salvation and it is impossible and not inline with the bible.

Jesus said if a branch not abide to the vine, it will not bear fruit.

One must abide to Jesus first before bear the fruit.

Abide in Jesus mean have a faith in Jesus/entrust to Jesus mean save.

One must save first before able to bear the fruit/good work.

So what catholic teach is opposite with what Jesus said.


Bible teaching:

Faith = salvation + good work/fruit.

 

[ThomistColin]

But faith is not alone.

Faith will bear the fruit.

Catholic:

Faith + work = salvation and it is impossible and not inline with the bible.

Actually no.

Catholic belief is this:
True Faith = Getting to Heaven
Faith + Works = Being a true disciple of Christ. Being sanctified. Becoming truly Perfect through the Lord's will.

 

[valiant]

Why do most protestants say a christian is justified by faith alone when the book of James says we need faith and works?

James 2:14-26New King James Version (NKJV)

Faith Without Works Is Dead

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my[b] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[c] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[d] And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

You are in error because you fail to see that Paul refers to justification before God and James refers to justification before men. Before God only faith, and faith alone, are required in order to be accounted as righteous..

It is before men that a man proves his justification by his works.

 

[PoetMary]

Mary could only be the vessel through which God provided Himself a body. God is without beginning and without end. Mary could not birth God.

Mary birthed Jesus
Jesus is God
Mary birthed God

This, btw, is the transitive theory at work.

If A=B
and B=C
then A=C

We get that it doesn't mean that Mary somehow predates the eternal Godhead. We get that it doesn't mean that Mary is somehow the creator of the Godhead.

If you consider, it's MORE a statement about the DIVINITY of JESUS than it is about Mary.

"Yeah, you know Mary, the Mother of Jesus..."
"Mary is the Mother of God, man"

See...it's making a statement about who JESUS is.

It's also an INCREDIBLE statement of the way that God will involve humanity in manifesting his will. Not only would he call people to do specific tasks to help along his will, but he would humble himself enough to pass through the birth canal of a woman.

THIS is the God we serve and worship.

Seriously, when I consider the significance of Mary's involvement I'm just *blown away* at the grace of God. He could have done it all on his own, but in his wisdom, he invites we frail humans to participate in the salvation story of the world.

Now THAT is some good news.

 

[mailmandan]

You are in error because you fail to see that Paul refers to justification before God and James refers to justification before men. Before God only faith, and faith alone, are required in order to be accounted as righteous..

It is before men that a man proves his justification by his works.

Yes, James is discussing the proof of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3). The harmony of Romans 4:2-3 and James 2:24 is seen in the differing ways that Paul and James use the term "justified." Paul, when he uses the term, refers to the legal (judicial) act of God by which He accounts the sinner as righteous. James, however is using the term to describe those who would prove the genuineness of their faith by the works that they do.

 

[Jackson123]

Actually no.

Catholic belief is this:
True Faith = Getting to Heaven
Faith + Works = Being a true disciple of Christ. Being sanctified. Becoming truly Perfect through the Lord's will.

but catholic definition of true faith is different compare to protestant.

For example. Pray to Mary is consider true faith in catholic.

 

[Mec99]

This is the major problem with the Catholics in that they corrupt what the Scriptures say to fit their own evil Doctrines from the Devil!

The word "ALL" means everyone. For ALL have sinned includes Mary also. Jesus was without sin AND the Scriptures DO SAY this.

Hebrews 4:15
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

Clearly here God says Jesus was WITHOUT SIN! Therefore ALL have sinned does apply to Mary!

Its amazing how evil the Catholics are in their shredding the Scriptures to justify their Worship of the Devil!

Mary was never the mother of God because God HAS NO BEGINNING! To claim Mary is the mother of God is claiming that God is a CREATED being! God was NEVER created!

This is also why the Catholic Church today is a Cult that is Worshiping Mary as their God!

Galatians 5:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]IDOLATRY, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Repent Dallasb78 before its too late. Your Worship of Mary will keep you from entering into Heaven! You cannot enter into Heaven if you keep praying the Rosary! You cannot enter into Heaven if you keep on praying the Hail Mary!

Praying the Rosary, praying the Hail Mary prayer, and bowing down to a statue of Mary WILL keep you from entering into Heaven!

Exodus 20:4-5
[SUP]4 [/SUP] "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
[SUP]5 [/SUP] you shall not bow down to them nor serve them.

A statue of Mary IS a carved image AND you are guilty of bowing down and serving the statue of Mary!

Repent Dallasb78! Accept Jesus Christ as your ONLY Lord and Savior! Reject Mary! Turn away from your Worship of Mary!

As it is now, you are on the Wide road that leads to destruction in the Lake of Fire!

 

[Mec99]

Its amazing how deceived your are Dallasb78! You have literally given up your chance to enter into Heaven to Worship and serve the Devil!

Matthew 7:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

These verses are speaking about you Dallasb78!

Turn away from Mary and the Catholic Church before its too late and you die in your sins of Worshiping Mary as your God!

John 14:6
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me.

You cannot come to the Father through Mary! Mary was born a sinner and died a sinner.