What a Trump voter has in common with an Obama voter

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The average Trump voter is being profiled as "fed up, disgusted with the Washington establishment." OK, fair enough. But can they tell us how Trump will change anything? Don't think so. In fact, in last night's primetime debate, he didn't even do obnoxious well.

Politico: Full test of Republican debate

(Bret) BAIER [wraping up his opening question regarding who would decline to pledge not to run as a third-party candidate]: And that experts say an independent run would almost certainly hand the race over to Democrats and likely another Clinton. You can’t say tonight that you can make that pledge?

TRUMP: I cannot say. I have to respect the person that, if it’s not me, the person that wins, if I do win, and I’m leading by quite a bit, that’s what I want to do. I can totally make that pledge. If I’m the nominee, I will pledge I will not run as an independent. But — and I am discussing it with everybody, but I’m, you know, talking about a lot of leverage. We want to win, and we will win. But I want to win as the Republican. I want to run as the Republican nominee.
Uh, whut? I don't know what you call that in politics, but in psychology, we call it "word salad." There isn't a cogent, processed thought anywhere in there.

Such a response would have brought a normal campaign to its uneventful end. But the Trump voter today actually thinks he won the debate! And they whine about the question in the first place, saying it was unfair. Well, excuse me, but he's threatened to pick up his marbles and go play somewhere else for weeks now, if he's not the Republican nominee. He explained that as "leverage" last night.

Leverage? Against who? Non-supporters? He's threatening them with running a third-party candidacy that will almost assuredly put a Democrat in the White House, probably another Clinton. He doesn't seem to realize that everyone except his supporters take that as about as disloyal and self-centeredly egotistical as a candidate can get.

Trump voters whine all the time, though. When you ask them what they like about this buffoon, they say "he fights" and "he doesn’t back down" and -- of course -- you just don’t get it."

What is it I don't get? "You just don’t get it!" is not an argument. Sure, I understand they believe they have said it after they have made what they think is a serious case with facts, data, and logic. But when they start out with "You just don’t get it," the brain farting is all on your end of the conversation.

A rough translation of this "argument" might be: "Earth logic is useless in communicating why I think this guy should be the nominee. So I will, like an ugly American, shout the same phrase over and over again on the assumption that with greater decibels comes greater understanding."

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is where the Trump and Obama voters show they have one and the same mindset. Obama voters can't get people to understand their logic (because there is none), so they call them "stupid, uninformed, unsophisticated," and then accuse them of hating blacks, poor people, women, immigrants, etc., etc., etc. All baseless. All incredibly naive and uninformed in itself.

Trump voters are doing the same thing, and don't seem to realize it. And they also don't realize that Trump is tremendously good at bluster but woefully short on facts, solutions, logic, truth, qualification, or morality.

If you're a Trump voter, do you realize that, in two hours last night, he bragged about buying politicians, clearly refused to discount running in such a way that guarantees another Democrat as president, showed he hates women (apparently with Megyn Kelly at the top of his list), endorsed single-payer healthcare systems and claimed they "work" in Canada and Scotland (they don't), and claimed he bribed Hillary Clinton to come to his wedding. (Why in the world would you even want Hillary at your wedding, Don?)

How is that qualification for president? How can you continue to believe there is anything of substance to this guy? How can you not see he is a Democratic Party shill who will, if given the opportunity, guarantee a continuation of the bankrupt social, economic, and foreign/defense policies of Obama, thus assuring the downfall of the United States as a dominant world power?

Trump is a either a plant, a fool, or so unbelievably arrogant wannabe dictator.
 
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No offense intended but Id hardly constitute this as christian news. Its merely your biased opinion. Its politics. Maybe the misc forum?
 
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No offense intended but Id hardly constitute this as christian news. Its merely your biased opinion. Its politics. Maybe the misc forum?
No offense taken, but as it deals with the debate last night, it is news, and opinion about the news is what this forum is for. And all opinions are biased. Thanks.
 

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IOW Trump will be running as a third party thus handing on a silver platter the presidency to the Dems. This shows his unconcern for our nation wanting it to be all about Trump. I don’t know about a Trump voter to an Obama voter but it puts Trump in the same narcissistic camp as Obama.
 
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The average Trump voter is being profiled as "fed up, disgusted with the Washington establishment." OK, fair enough. But can they tell us how Trump will change anything? Don't think so. In fact, in last night's primetime debate, he didn't even do obnoxious well.



Uh, whut? I don't know what you call that in politics, but in psychology, we call it "word salad." There isn't a cogent, processed thought anywhere in there.

Such a response would have brought a normal campaign to its uneventful end. But the Trump voter today actually thinks he won the debate! And they whine about the question in the first place, saying it was unfair. Well, excuse me, but he's threatened to pick up his marbles and go play somewhere else for weeks now, if he's not the Republican nominee. He explained that as "leverage" last night.

Leverage? Against who? Non-supporters? He's threatening them with running a third-party candidacy that will almost assuredly put a Democrat in the White House, probably another Clinton. He doesn't seem to realize that everyone except his supporters take that as about as disloyal and self-centeredly egotistical as a candidate can get.

Trump voters whine all the time, though. When you ask them what they like about this buffoon, they say "he fights" and "he doesn’t back down" and -- of course -- you just don’t get it."

What is it I don't get? "You just don’t get it!" is not an argument. Sure, I understand they believe they have said it after they have made what they think is a serious case with facts, data, and logic. But when they start out with "You just don’t get it," the brain farting is all on your end of the conversation.

A rough translation of this "argument" might be: "Earth logic is useless in communicating why I think this guy should be the nominee. So I will, like an ugly American, shout the same phrase over and over again on the assumption that with greater decibels comes greater understanding."

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is where the Trump and Obama voters show they have one and the same mindset. Obama voters can't get people to understand their logic (because there is none), so they call them "stupid, uninformed, unsophisticated," and then accuse them of hating blacks, poor people, women, immigrants, etc., etc., etc. All baseless. All incredibly naive and uninformed in itself.

Trump voters are doing the same thing, and don't seem to realize it. And they also don't realize that Trump is tremendously good at bluster but woefully short on facts, solutions, logic, truth, qualification, or morality.

If you're a Trump voter, do you realize that, in two hours last night, he bragged about buying politicians, clearly refused to discount running in such a way that guarantees another Democrat as president, showed he hates women (apparently with Megyn Kelly at the top of his list), endorsed single-payer healthcare systems and claimed they "work" in Canada and Scotland (they don't), and claimed he bribed Hillary Clinton to come to his wedding. (Why in the world would you even want Hillary at your wedding, Don?)

How is that qualification for president? How can you continue to believe there is anything of substance to this guy? How can you not see he is a Democratic Party shill who will, if given the opportunity, guarantee a continuation of the bankrupt social, economic, and foreign/defense policies of Obama, thus assuring the downfall of the United States as a dominant world power?

Trump is a either a plant, a fool, or so unbelievably arrogant wannabe dictator.

Trump is a shameless bully and a foul-smelling sleazebag. I've worked for corporate execs just like him and they are egotistical, disloyal and find great delight in abusing their power. He may have what it takes to be a financial success, but he is not gifted with people skills and exhibits no mercy to others. I don't think any self-respecting woman wants to vote that chauvinistic, loud-mouth old wolf into office. :mad:

But that's just my little ol' humble opinion. :eek:
 
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No offense intended but Id hardly constitute this as christian news. Its merely your biased opinion. Its politics. Maybe the misc forum?

Actually, I honestly was browsing the CC news forum to see if anyone posted about last nights debates. I was glad to see this thread posted. :)
 

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IOW Trump will be running as a third party thus handing on a silver platter the presidency to the Dems. This shows his unconcern for our nation wanting it to be all about Trump. I don’t know about a Trump voter to an Obama voter but it puts Trump in the same narcissistic camp as Obama.
Yes but plot twist bernie sanders also runs as an third party candidate and suddenly we have four presidential nominees none of which probably deserve it. Because Im sorry I think the GOP is going to back Walker if Trump steps out on his own, and that is just as bad. I probably wouldn't vote for them regardless but I would be okay with either Rubio or Kasich winning.
 

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Yes but plot twist bernie sanders also runs as an third party candidate and suddenly we have four presidential nominees none of which probably deserve it. Because Im sorry I think the GOP is going to back Walker if Trump steps out on his own, and that is just as bad. I probably wouldn't vote for them regardless but I would be okay with either Rubio or Kasich winning.
I may walk with Walker, but I'd definitely be cruisin with Cruz :p
 
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But on the question and answer segment with audience members after the debate (more like the Q&A session), a lot of people who were Trump supporters beforehand changed their minds.
 
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Probably not much in common. Me thinks the Trump loyal and the Obamabots are quite hostile to eachother. After all Obama loves to criticize Trump and Trump has started some of the most outrageous conspiracy theories about Obama.

As for the debate, I think it's obvious the sly Fox set Trump up, though he did walk into their den. I actually thought his answer superior pertaining to refusing to pledge to not run third party. Ironically this is the answer that has probably done him most damage as hardcore party partisans can no longer trust him. I trust Donald Trump though to do best for Donald Trump. So his answer is quite logical and speaks to his drawing realization that he is not of the temperament to be yoked by the GOP or the broad American public.

In my opinion what really destroyed him, or should have politically, but alas your polls are controlled, was that answer about women. Don't care much for Megyn Kelly, but I thought she alone stood out as a surprisingly good and sharp debate moderator. Lol, in a weird sort of way, perhaps Megyn Kelly is the overall winner of the first debate.
 

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I liked when he said that he bribed politicians in return for favors and that the system is broken. It's refreshing to hear someone say something that candid about the crooked nature of politics (while partaking in it!). Trump shamelessly brings things into the forefront that career politicians would rather stay swept under the rug.

That being said, I would never vote for the man.
 
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Probably not much in common. Me thinks the Trump loyal and the Obamabots are quite hostile to eachother.
The voters, yes. But Trump supported Obama eight years ago. and the voters, though hostile toward each other's ideologies, are just as uninformed, just as blind, just as automatic in their reactions to their guys. Trump voters take the term "low-information voter" to a new high, mimicking the Obama supporters' failure to understand their man doesn't have any answers and adding to it the fact that their man isn't even likable. He has a short fuse and no filters, compounding the issue by having no answers. Not presidential by any means.
 
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The voters, yes. But Trump supported Obama eight years ago. and the voters, though hostile toward each other's ideologies, are just as uninformed, just as blind, just as automatic in their reactions to their guys. Trump voters take the term "low-information voter" to a new high, mimicking the Obama supporters' failure to understand their man doesn't have any answers and adding to it the fact that their man isn't even likable. He has a short fuse and no filters, compounding the issue by having no answers. Not presidential by any means.
Much like the Mitt voters in 2012 as well. You don't have to explain much to me why not to vote for Trump lol. Of course I still think Trump will drop out like he always does sooner or later.

The Trump dynamic though is fun to watch and he does quite masterfully destroy all his opponents that rise against him. One will notice only Kasich alone has successfully navigated around Trump. Kasich I think is employing that so-called Reagan Rule strategy. Maintaining it even when baited by the sly little Fox to attack Trump. It is no deal maker or breaker, but it will be fun to watch to see if Kasich can maintain this strategy.
 
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One will notice only Kasich alone has successfully navigated around Trump.
They haven't exchanged as much as one word. How has he "successfully navigated" around Trump. Caron didn't speak to him. Walker didn't. Rubio didn't. Cruz didn't. None of them have said anything to him, or about him -- well, Carson did say "Trump will be Trump," but that's hardly "confrontation" or "navigation around" him.

Kasich I think is employing that so-called Reagan Rule strategy. Maintaining it even when baited by the sly little Fox to attack Trump.
When did Trump do that? I'm not sure he knows Kasich exists.

It is no deal maker or breaker, but it will be fun to watch to see if Kasich can maintain this strategy.
I don't think he has a Trump strategy. Neither do the others I named. I think they agree with Krauthammer, and are just waiting for the implosion, so we can all move on.
 
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Perhaps you misread my comment. The Fox tried to pit Kasich against Trump (tried same thing with Bush too) but Kasich was able to navigate out of the trap. Kasich's strategy so far seems to be the Reagan Rule strategy.

Though indeed with exception to Rand Paul, none of the candidates confronted him in the debate. Prior to the debate though they have said some funny things about Trump. For instance Carson has called Trump's comments petty (which is true enough).

I agree that many are waiting for Trump to drop out. This is why I think if Kasich holds to the Reagan Rule strategy he will do well. When Trump drops out his rabid supporters aren't going to support someone like Bush or Rand Paul whom have attacked Trump. I think most the Trump supporters will switch to Cruz, as they like the attack dog candidates, but I think Kasich by staying non-confrontational with Trump stands to siphon off his more reasonable supporters.
 
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trump supporters seem to be unable to tell the difference between being 'politically incorrect' and being tasteless and utterly lacking in class...
 
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trump supporters seem to be unable to tell the difference between being 'politically incorrect' and being tasteless and utterly lacking in class...

When you're dealing with an enemy that has no problem selling your unborn babies organs on the open market... I question who is really classless. When you push back feelings get hurt. I'm guessing Moses wasn't putting his "image" first when he ordered the levites to kill 3000 of their own....friends, best men, aunts and uncles etc etc.

I have to put a disclaimer here that I am not advocating the murder of anyone...just advocating getting a spine and fighting back against the left and their destructive policies and their democrats in republican clothing friends.
 
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trump supporters seem to be unable to tell the difference between being 'politically incorrect' and being tasteless and utterly lacking in class...

You are one to talk arent ya? Within a few hours of my joining this site you called me a child of satan. Remember that? You have yet to apologize. You arent qualified to talk about people with class. You dont recognize it.
 
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Actually, I honestly was browsing the CC news forum to see if anyone posted about last nights debates. I was glad to see this thread posted. :)
Honestly, I dont see anything about the debate but what I see is a biased opinion bashing trump,all those who stand with him, and not only that;comparing obama voters to those who would vote for trump.I loathe the ground obama walks on. The OP has a history of insulting people who disagree with him but yet you stand with him because you do not like trump. So be it!! Wheres the commentary about the debate again?
 
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You are one to talk arent ya? Within a few hours of my joining this site you called me a child of satan. Remember that? You have yet to apologize. You arent qualified to talk about people with class. You dont recognize it.
your opinion of me has nothing to do with this topic so keep it to yourself...