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Gal4v9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
Everyday is to celebrate Jesus Christ and what his LIFE and DEATH made available to all ..IF they partake of his sacrifice..
Christmas !! has had a number of dates applied through history...shepherds out and about at night probably warmer time anyway .. Easter may be closer.. still once spirit filled (speak in tongues etc mark 16v16 etc) every day is a day of celebration in Christ Jesus..if you want to give me a present, why wait till xmas !? gime now !!
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
Everyday is to celebrate Jesus Christ and what his LIFE and DEATH made available to all ..IF they partake of his sacrifice..
Christmas !! has had a number of dates applied through history...shepherds out and about at night probably warmer time anyway .. Easter may be closer.. still once spirit filled (speak in tongues etc mark 16v16 etc) every day is a day of celebration in Christ Jesus..if you want to give me a present, why wait till xmas !? gime now !!
M
Some may not agree with this, but at our church on Halloween, we have a messy church kids club on the evening. The children do all sorts of
activities all Christian based up to 300 children having a great time
It gets them off the streets and away from the door knocking and dressing
up.
They have bible based messy competitions, quizzes and games involving lots
of water, jelly, custard, balloons etc. They all absolutely love it.
It keeps them safe - no knocking on strangers doors and their minds are
full of Jesus instead of witches and goblins.
They remember the evening of fun at church long after Halloween has gone.
B
The way I overall look at it, is Christmas and Easter are holidays established by man. So for that reason, I do not follow man's traditions, but Gods.
Yeshua teaches multiple times against following man made traditions.
I do not believe it is wrong to observe His birth/resurection, as far as His birth it has been founded that He was born on the first day of sukkot (feast of tabernacles, which is usually September/Octoberish), and that's when the people I fellowship with celebrate His birthday, and then we recognize His resurrection through Passover.
Yeshua teaches multiple times against following man made traditions.
I do not believe it is wrong to observe His birth/resurection, as far as His birth it has been founded that He was born on the first day of sukkot (feast of tabernacles, which is usually September/Octoberish), and that's when the people I fellowship with celebrate His birthday, and then we recognize His resurrection through Passover.
I haven't calibrated Easter for years. Last year was the last time I will ever recognize Christmas with family, even though for years we used that day to celebrate family. Who knows when Jesus was born? The Bible doesn't mention it, for it is not important evidently. Those 2 holidays are a compromise with pagan religions instigated by Constantine in the first Roman Catholic Church. It's amazing to me how many Protestants celebrate those holidays and then in other things rail against the Catholics with all their rituals. I see no difference in any denomination these days. They're all corrupt in my estimation, including the Jewish wannabes. Is there really any difference now days?
The church should be much more interested in recognizing Passover, the feast of unleavened bread, the feast of weeks, and the feast of tabernacles. But if one mentions those, the modern church of today hasn't the foggiest idea what they're are about. Talk about nonspiritual!
The church should be much more interested in recognizing Passover, the feast of unleavened bread, the feast of weeks, and the feast of tabernacles. But if one mentions those, the modern church of today hasn't the foggiest idea what they're are about. Talk about nonspiritual!
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I think these arguments are invalid.
1) The Bible never mentions the word internet.
2) you state we can only celebrate him the way he asked, he never asked us to celebrate him on the internet.
3) technically people have studied the Bible to find the birth of Christ. In history, people have found it to be january 6 or December 25......
based on your arguments, it would also be wrong to use the internet. And the argument against the birth of Christ on December 25 is not correct.
i dont see celebrating Christ as wrong, no matter the day.
1) The Bible never mentions the word internet.
2) you state we can only celebrate him the way he asked, he never asked us to celebrate him on the internet.
3) technically people have studied the Bible to find the birth of Christ. In history, people have found it to be january 6 or December 25......
based on your arguments, it would also be wrong to use the internet. And the argument against the birth of Christ on December 25 is not correct.
i dont see celebrating Christ as wrong, no matter the day.
I really don't care what day I celebrate Christmas on, as long as it is with friends and family. It is the only time I can send a card to those people with Scripture verse in it.
My saddest part about Christmas is that sending Christmas cards out is becoming passé. I hope the Christmas productions and pageants don't fade away too. We did a lot of outreach at Christmas with our choir productions in my last churches. Easter too.
One church I was in had a huge Christmas production. We had a 50 piece orchestra and a 100 piece choir and over 10,000 people saw the show. The message of salvation was preached, and many came to Christ. I vividly remember playing flute in the orchestra pit, and there was a woman in the front row with a very disruptive child she was ignoring. I was quite indignant at first, and I couldn't believe she would let her small child make such a ruckus.
God really convicted me of my judgmental thoughts, and told me to pray for her salvation. As the play went on, she seemed to get more and more agitated, even than her child! At the end, sure enough, she went up for the altar call. A good slap on the wrist for me!
God can use anything for his glory, even wrong dates for Christmas and/or Easter!
My saddest part about Christmas is that sending Christmas cards out is becoming passé. I hope the Christmas productions and pageants don't fade away too. We did a lot of outreach at Christmas with our choir productions in my last churches. Easter too.
One church I was in had a huge Christmas production. We had a 50 piece orchestra and a 100 piece choir and over 10,000 people saw the show. The message of salvation was preached, and many came to Christ. I vividly remember playing flute in the orchestra pit, and there was a woman in the front row with a very disruptive child she was ignoring. I was quite indignant at first, and I couldn't believe she would let her small child make such a ruckus.
God really convicted me of my judgmental thoughts, and told me to pray for her salvation. As the play went on, she seemed to get more and more agitated, even than her child! At the end, sure enough, she went up for the altar call. A good slap on the wrist for me!
God can use anything for his glory, even wrong dates for Christmas and/or Easter!
M
Every day should be a celebration of the birth, death, resurrection
and the new life freely given to people who will accept the free gift of
grace.
But in our humanness we get weighed down, we forget, we get caught
up with life, life is just so busy. But at least Christmas and Easter is a time
when all Christians across the world celebrate these things globally.
When Jesus sees us all celebrating His wonderful work of salvation does anyone
honestly think he disapproves? I think he rejoices with us.
Yes there are people who take Christmas and Easter for granted and to many it's
just time off work and a chance to eat, drink and be merry. But that doesn't mean
that His people who really appreciate the true meaning, shouldn't celebrate them.
Ps one year we had a young people's Christmas beach party at church in August, complete
with sand, buckets and spades, water, a Christmas tree, gifts and a nativity play.
It was a fun way of getting the gospel message across - it's never too early or late
to celebrate the saving work of Jesus.
So to all you misery guts who don't want to celebrate Christmas because it's
not biblical - it is, the entire bible from Genesis to Revelations is about the
completed work of Jesus. If you don't want to celebrate it on 25th December
then pick another day.
The offer is still there by the way - to let me have all your presents if
you don't want them.
Pps hope I haven't offended anyone with the word misery guts - it was
expressed with humour and warmth.
and the new life freely given to people who will accept the free gift of
grace.
But in our humanness we get weighed down, we forget, we get caught
up with life, life is just so busy. But at least Christmas and Easter is a time
when all Christians across the world celebrate these things globally.
When Jesus sees us all celebrating His wonderful work of salvation does anyone
honestly think he disapproves? I think he rejoices with us.
Yes there are people who take Christmas and Easter for granted and to many it's
just time off work and a chance to eat, drink and be merry. But that doesn't mean
that His people who really appreciate the true meaning, shouldn't celebrate them.
Ps one year we had a young people's Christmas beach party at church in August, complete
with sand, buckets and spades, water, a Christmas tree, gifts and a nativity play.
It was a fun way of getting the gospel message across - it's never too early or late
to celebrate the saving work of Jesus.
So to all you misery guts who don't want to celebrate Christmas because it's
not biblical - it is, the entire bible from Genesis to Revelations is about the
completed work of Jesus. If you don't want to celebrate it on 25th December
then pick another day.
The offer is still there by the way - to let me have all your presents if
you don't want them.
Pps hope I haven't offended anyone with the word misery guts - it was
expressed with humour and warmth.
They were not instigated by Constantine. Why doe he always get the blame? And what have they to do with Roman Catholicism which did not exist before 8th century AD?
Resurrection Sunday is a celebration of Passover. That is why it is on the Sunday following the full moon (Passover) in the first moon period.
As for Christmas day, it was good that Christians had their attention drawn to the coming of Christ when others were hailing the sun. And the Christmas season, whilst spoiled by commercialism, is still the season when Christianity actually affects the world and turns some minds to doing good who would not otherwise do so. It makes people think about Christ who would not otherwise do so and has led to the conversion of many. We should look on it as an evangelistic opportunity..
Resurrection Sunday is a celebration of Passover. That is why it is on the Sunday following the full moon (Passover) in the first moon period.
As for Christmas day, it was good that Christians had their attention drawn to the coming of Christ when others were hailing the sun. And the Christmas season, whilst spoiled by commercialism, is still the season when Christianity actually affects the world and turns some minds to doing good who would not otherwise do so. It makes people think about Christ who would not otherwise do so and has led to the conversion of many. We should look on it as an evangelistic opportunity..
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Have it your way, even though I don't agree. Let's endorse Pope Gregory then. Pope Gregory I, commonly known as Saint Gregory the Great, was Pope from 3 September 590 to his death in 604. Gregory is well known for his writings, which were more prolific than those of any of his predecessors as pope.
Rome was the historical capital of the empire and an important city politically, so it was natural that the bishop of that city would also be important. And when Constantine moved the capital of the empire to Constantinople in 330, the pope was the most powerful figure that remained in Rome.
Special Catholic feasts coincide with pagan holy days, and are celebrated in one form or another by most cultures. For example, Lady Day is a Catholic feast celebrated on March 25. This is also the feast held in honor of the goddess of Cybele in ancient times.
The 25th of December, which we celebrate as Christmas, was the commemorative day of the birth of the sun god.
The Gregorian reform contained two parts: a reform of the Julian calendar as used prior to Pope Gregory XIII's time and a reform of the lunar cycle used by the Church, with the Julian calendar, to calculate the date of Easter.
Most historians, including Biblical scholars, agree that Easter was originally a pagan festival. According to the New Unger’s Bible Dictionary says: “The word Easter is of Saxon origin, Eastra, the goddess of spring, in whose honour sacrifices were offered about Passover time each year. By the eighth century Anglo–Saxons had adopted the name to designate the celebration of Christ’s resurrection.” However, even among those who maintain that Easter has pagan roots, there is some disagreement over which pagan tradition the festival emerged from.
Rome was the historical capital of the empire and an important city politically, so it was natural that the bishop of that city would also be important. And when Constantine moved the capital of the empire to Constantinople in 330, the pope was the most powerful figure that remained in Rome.
Special Catholic feasts coincide with pagan holy days, and are celebrated in one form or another by most cultures. For example, Lady Day is a Catholic feast celebrated on March 25. This is also the feast held in honor of the goddess of Cybele in ancient times.
The 25th of December, which we celebrate as Christmas, was the commemorative day of the birth of the sun god.
The Gregorian reform contained two parts: a reform of the Julian calendar as used prior to Pope Gregory XIII's time and a reform of the lunar cycle used by the Church, with the Julian calendar, to calculate the date of Easter.
Most historians, including Biblical scholars, agree that Easter was originally a pagan festival. According to the New Unger’s Bible Dictionary says: “The word Easter is of Saxon origin, Eastra, the goddess of spring, in whose honour sacrifices were offered about Passover time each year. By the eighth century Anglo–Saxons had adopted the name to designate the celebration of Christ’s resurrection.” However, even among those who maintain that Easter has pagan roots, there is some disagreement over which pagan tradition the festival emerged from.
