Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[prove-all]

quote [I believe the whole Nicene Creed.] Is that a lie?


has anyone done a study on nicolaitans, and ties to nicene creeds?



6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.


Some Bible commentators believe they were a heretical sect who followed the teachings of Nicolas—whose name means “one who conquers the people”—who was possibly one of the deacons of the early church mentioned in Acts 6:5. It is possible that Nicolas became an apostate, denying the true faith and became part of a group holding "the doctrine of Balaam," who taught Israel "to sin by eating food sacrificed to idols and by committing sexual immorality

one who conquers the people, also applys to nimrods name and actions.
this also applys to the vatican seat of authority.

the Nicolaitans were an abomination to Christ. They, like the Gnostics and other false teachers,
abused the doctrine of grace and tried to introduce licentiousness in its place
(2 Peter 2:15, 19; Jude 1:4).

 

[prove-all]

The Nicene Creed, Written during the 4th century A.D. in an attempt to unify
the Christian church under emperor Constantine


you mean a roman empirer who was worshiped like a god by his subjects,

excomuncated anyone who disagreed with his views, while others boycotted meetings.

made this worlds doctrine law in his land, the roman kingdom.


do i think the creeds are wrong, you bet I do

 

[mwc68]

What did you expect mwc68?

When you attack God and His Truths with the lies from Satan do you really think God is going to set back and allow you to attack Him?

You must realize sir, you are not attacking us with your lies you are actually attacking the Holy Spirit for His Truths!

When will you realize that you are doing the "Works" of Satan and not God when you teach lies of the Catholic Church as Truths from God?

All these "Works" will be burned up and you will not have any rewards awaiting for you.

When are you gonna realize I'm sick of you calling me a liar and a devil worshipper? We can have a conversation, but not if you continue the insults. You freakin act like I wrote the Catachism

 

[MikeHenderson]

How can we have a conversation sir when you are constantly telling us we know nothing and only the Catholic Church has the Truth? Its a rather one side conversation, with you telling all of us we are wrong and only the Catholic Church has the Truth.

I'm not saying your wrote the Catechism, I'm saying everything you say IS from the Catechism and not from God.

When you stop teaching the lies of Satan from the Catholic Church and open your eyes up to the Truth in the Scriptures, then we can have a conversation sir. All we are having now is having an argument.

Until you are willing to listen to what the Holy Spirit says in the Scriptures we will never be able to have a conversation with you sir.

 

[mwc68]

How can we have a conversation sir when you are constantly telling us we know nothing and only the Catholic Church has the Truth? Its a rather one side conversation, with you telling all of us we are wrong and only the Catholic Church has the Truth.

I'm not saying your wrote the Catechism, I'm saying everything you say IS from the Catechism and not from God.

When you stop teaching the lies of Satan from the Catholic Church and open your eyes up to the Truth in the Scriptures, then we can have a conversation sir. All we are having now is having an argument.

Until you are willing to listen to what the Holy Spirit says in the Scriptures we will never be able to have a conversation with you sir.

The catachism explains doctrine wth the associated scriptures and writings of the church founders. It is not some "magic book" given to the pope i.e. Joseph Smith. I profess certain truths contained within it. If you choose to keep calling me a liar because we have different views, then the conversation is over and maybe this desecration of a thread can finally die

 

[MikeHenderson]

Then explain why does the Catholic Church teach Mary had to be without sin when clearly The Holy Spirit teaches Mary was born with sin and sinned her whole life?

Explain then why does the Catholic Church teach the original sin is passed on by the Mother when clearly the Holy Spirit teaches it is the Father that passes on the original sin?

Show us in Scriptures where it backs up these teachings of the Catholic Church. The writings of the Catholic Church founders mean nothing. Its what God says in the Scriptures that matters.

 

[mwc68]

Then explain why does the Catholic Church teach Mary had to be without sin when clearly The Holy Spirit teaches Mary was born with sin and sinned her whole life?

Explain then why does the Catholic Church teach the original sin is passed on by the Mother when clearly the Holy Spirit teaches it is the Father that passes on the original sin?

Show us in Scriptures where it backs up these teachings of the Catholic Church. The writings of the Catholic Church founders mean nothing. Its what God says in the Scriptures that matters.

I already showed you purgatory and you didn't answer. Answer that first

 

[mwc68]

Then explain why does the Catholic Church teach Mary had to be without sin when clearly The Holy Spirit teaches Mary was born with sin and sinned her whole life?

Explain then why does the Catholic Church teach the original sin is passed on by the Mother when clearly the Holy Spirit teaches it is the Father that passes on the original sin?

Show us in Scriptures where it backs up these teachings of the Catholic Church. The writings of the Catholic Church founders mean nothing. Its what God says in the Scriptures that matters.

To become the mother of the Savior, Mary was enriched by God with gifts appropriate to such a role. The angel Gabriel at the moment of the annunciation salutes her as "full of grace". In fact, in order for Mary to give the free assent of her faith to the announcement from the angel, it was necessary that she be wholly born by God's grace. Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, "full of grace" through God, was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1864: Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin. The "splendor of an entirely unique holiness" by which Mary is "enriched from the first instant of her conception " comes wholly from Christ: she is "redeemed , in a more exalted fashion, by reason of the merits of her Son." The Father blessed Mary more than any other created person "in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places" and chose her "in Christ before the foundation of the world, to be holy and blameless before him in love."

 

[mwc68]

Then explain why does the Catholic Church teach Mary had to be without sin when clearly The Holy Spirit teaches Mary was born with sin and sinned her whole life?

Explain then why does the Catholic Church teach the original sin is passed on by the Mother when clearly the Holy Spirit teaches it is the Father that passes on the original sin?

Show us in Scriptures where it backs up these teachings of the Catholic Church. The writings of the Catholic Church founders mean nothing. Its what God says in the Scriptures that matters.

The Church has always said Adam passed the sin. As far as passing through the mother, you have me confused with another poster because i never said that.

All men are implicated in Adam's sin, as Paul affirms: "by one man's disobedience all men were made sinners": "sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men have sinned....." (Romans 5:12,19)

Following Paul, the Church has always taught that the overwhelming misery which oppresses men and their inclination toward evil and death cannot be understood apart from their connection with Adam's sin and the fact that he has transmitted tp us a sin with which we are all born afflicted, a sin which is the death of the soul. Because of this certainty of faith, the Church baptizes for the remission of sins even tiny infants who have not committed personal sin.

We have a fundamental disagreement as to what baptism is for. For you it may just be a symbol, for me it is much more.

 

[valiant]

The Church has always said Adam passed the sin. As far as passing through the mother, you have me confused with another poster because i never said that.

All men are implicated in Adam's sin, as Paul affirms: "by one man's disobedience all men were made sinners": "sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men have sinned....." (Romans 5:12,19)

Following Paul, the Church has always taught that the overwhelming misery which oppresses men and their inclination toward evil and death cannot be understood apart from their connection with Adam's sin and the fact that he has transmitted tp us a sin with which we are all born afflicted, a sin which is the death of the soul. Because of this certainty of faith, the Church baptizes for the remission of sins even tiny infants who have not committed personal sin.

We have a fundamental disagreement as to what baptism is for. For you it may just be a symbol, for me it is much more.

Yes because you ignore what the Scripture teaches, and rather believe the Pope and his cronies.

 

[valiant]

To become the mother of the Savior, Mary was enriched by God with gifts appropriate to such a role. The angel Gabriel at the moment of the annunciation salutes her as "full of grace".

He also made the whole 'church' of true believers in Christ Jesus 'full of grace' (Eph 1.6). (same word). In other words He revealed His full grace (unmerited love) towards them. Mary is no different in this from any true Christian.

In fact, in order for Mary to give the free assent of her faith to the announcement from the angel, it was necessary that she be wholly born by God's grace.

Absolute rubbish. A totally illogical and untrue statement which goes contrary to Scripture. She was able to give her free assent because God called her for a particular task, and enabled her at the time of asking. It was not at all necessary that she be 'specially born', except in the sense that all true Christians are specially born.

Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, "full of grace" through God, was redeemed from the moment of her conception.

LOL it took them an awful long time. But that is to be expected because it is not found in Scripture. It took the paganising of the church under Constantine and its results to produce this false doctrine.

What you mean is that the later paganised church, looking for a goddess to worship, began to formulate false ideas about Mary. If she ever finds out about it she will be shocked to the core. ,

That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1864: Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin. The "splendor of an entirely unique holiness" by which Mary is "enriched from the first instant of her conception " comes wholly from Christ: she is "redeemed , in a more exalted fashion, by reason of the merits of her Son."

Yes you are quite right. It is the invention of the Pope and the Magisterium. It is wholly unfounded in fact and in Scripture. It is gross heresy.

The Father blessed Mary more than any other created person "in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places" and chose her "in Christ before the foundation of the world, to be holy and blameless before him in love."

But God did this to ALL true Christians. See Ephesians 1.4 which this is quoted from. MARY WAS NOT BLESSED MORE THAN ANY OTHER. THAT IS THE DEVIL'S LIE. All Christians experience the same.

 

[valiant]

I already showed you purgatory and you didn't answer. Answer that first

see my post 7558

 

[mwc68]

see my post 7558

That post was for Mike Henderson who called me out on purgatory then mysteriously disappeared. I know you will answer. and your answers are always good for a chuckle!

 

[MikeHenderson]

If original sin came from Adam, a man, and did not come through Eve, then the original sin was passed on by the Father of the Child not the Mother. Then why would Mary need to be without sin if the Original sin was passed on by the Father?

First, Mary did not need to be without sin because the Father of Jesus Christ was the Holy Spirit who has no sin.

Matthew 1:20
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.

Second, Mary could not have been without sin because the Holy Spirit clearly says everybody is a sinner.

Romans 3:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.

Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

The Holy Spirit in the Scriptures states only one person was without sin and that was Jesus Chrisy.

Hebrews 4:15 (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

 

[MikeHenderson]

Romans 6:3-4
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

When we are Baptized we are Baptized into Christ into His death. Were are buried with Him into death.

Baptism is all about becoming one with Jesus Christ. Nowhere in the Scriptures does the Holy Spirit teach Baptism washes us clean of our sins.

Ephesians 1:7
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace.

Its NOT Baptism that washes us clean of our sin, its the Blood of Jesus Christ shed on the Cross that washes us clean of all our sins.

If its the Blood of Jesus Christ that washes us clean of our sin, then why sir does the Catholics Church call God a liar and say its by Baptism that washes us clean of all our sins?

 

[mwc68]

Romans 6:3-4
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

When we are Baptized we are Baptized into Christ into His death. Were are buried with Him into death.

Baptism is all about becoming one with Jesus Christ. Nowhere in the Scriptures does the Holy Spirit teach Baptism washes us clean of our sins.

Ephesians 1:7
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace.

Its NOT Baptism that washes us clean of our sin, its the Blood of Jesus Christ shed on the Cross that washes us clean of all our sins.

If its the Blood of Jesus Christ that washes us clean of our sin, then why sir does the Catholics Church call God a liar and say its by Baptism that washes us clean of all our sins?

Sir, we have fundemental differences. I'm not gonna call you a liar and a devil worshipper. We just disagree

 

[MikeHenderson]

2 Samuel 12 :13-15 is all about God's punishment to David who had sinned against God. This has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of us or Purgatory. These passages are all about David only mwc68.

Matthew 5:48 is all about being made perfect when we receive Salvation! When we receive Salvation we become perfect in the eyes of God. This has nothing to do with any Purgatory.

Hebrews 12:23 is about about those who have been made perfect by Salvation. The Firstborns are those Christians who have been Born Again by Salvation. These are the people who will be caught up at the Rapture to be with God. This is not talking about any Purgatory at all.

1 Peter 1:7 is talking about a trials of our Faith here on this World. Everybody is tempted to do the wrong thing. Everybody is tempted to sin. Its these trials we go through is like going through a fire to make you pure. This verse has nothing to do with trials AFTER you die. Its all about trials here today.

Matthew 12:31-32 is saying those who reject the Holy Spirit can never be forgiven in the old days and not even in the future. All those who reject the Holy Spirit is what these verses are talking about. This has nothing to do with Purgatory.

Revelation 21:27 is talking about the Book of Life. If you name is not written in the Book of life then you cannot enter into Heaven because sin is not allowed into Heaven. This verse is talking about those who have received Salvation. When you receive Salvation your name is written into the Book of Life. Those who reject Jesus, their name is not written in the Book of life.

When we receive Salvation its the Blood of Jesus that washes us clean of all our sins. Those who have not accepted Jesus Christ are unclean and cannot enter into Heaven. Again this verse has nothing to do with Purgatory.

 

[MikeHenderson]

The problem is you are not disagreeing with me mwc68 you are actually disagreeing with the Truth from the Holy Spirit. By saying you disagree with what the Scriptures say you are actually disagreeing with God Himself.

The fundamental differences you have is with God not with me because all I do is quote from the Scriptures which came from God.

 

[mwc68]

2 Samuel 12 :13-15 is all about God's punishment to David who had sinned against God. This has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of us or Purgatory. These passages are all about David only mwc68.

Matthew 5:48 is all about being made perfect when we receive Salvation! When we receive Salvation we become perfect in the eyes of God. This has nothing to do with any Purgatory.

Hebrews 12:23 is about about those who have been made perfect by Salvation. The Firstborns are those Christians who have been Born Again by Salvation. These are the people who will be caught up at the Rapture to be with God. This is not talking about any Purgatory at all.

1 Peter 1:7 is talking about a trials of our Faith here on this World. Everybody is tempted to do the wrong thing. Everybody is tempted to sin. Its these trials we go through is like going through a fire to make you pure. This verse has nothing to do with trials AFTER you die. Its all about trials here today.

Matthew 12:31-32 is saying those who reject the Holy Spirit can never be forgiven in the old days and not even in the future. All those who reject the Holy Spirit is what these verses are talking about. This has nothing to do with Purgatory.

Revelation 21:27 is talking about the Book of Life. If you name is not written in the Book of life then you cannot enter into Heaven because sin is not allowed into Heaven. This verse is talking about those who have received Salvation. When you receive Salvation your name is written into the Book of Life. Those who reject Jesus, their name is not written in the Book of life.

When we receive Salvation its the Blood of Jesus that washes us clean of all our sins. Those who have not accepted Jesus Christ are unclean and cannot enter into Heaven. Again this verse has nothing to do with Purgatory.

See we disagree

 

[MikeHenderson]

In other words mwc68 you hate the Truth from God to accept the lies from the Catholic Church.

You are walking in Darkness and you will never see the Light from God if you keep on the road you are on sir.

What means more to you, accepting everything the Catholic Church teaches and lose your rewards in Heaven, or listening to the Holy Spirit and entering into Heaven?