Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[mikeuk]

you are big on statements, short on facts. It was not Jeff who exposed Mother Theresa for what she was. It was University researchers, and others who investigated her work. We commend any good that she did, but sadly she failed to use the generous gifts provided by the world in order to better the lives of those among whom she went. She was more concerned to help them die, than see that they lived. The jury is still out on what she did with the money. The facts will eventually come out.

Another shameful statement by someone who pontificates uselessly like a pharisee, sitting in judgement of someone who did what the gospels demand. She saw Christ in the sick, the dying and needy, and "what you do unto them, you do unto me" was the underpinning of her charism . She got out there and did it. She touched the untouchables and lepers, which in India, with stench of the caste system means something. How dare you sit in judgement of her?

As for university "research" it is overrated. I can point at 1000 pieces of nonsense , since proven as such, yet vindicated by universities!

The peer review system is just an old boys club that only allows in stuff from those who toe the line - most of the secular universities are happy poor urine over anything that has a religious whiff about it, and allow their "academics" to abuse any process to discredit it.

Take the carbon dating of the shroud, now proven to be what it obviously was. Bad science. But it did not stop those so called academics ignore all the research that proved them wrong, SO look for problems in what they had done, rather than stating other research must be wrong not them!

Your attempt at discriminating petra and petros proves university qualification is no metric of good research or common sense even.
You were wrong. One day you will have the humility to admit it, to yourself even if noone else.

 

[MikeHenderson]

Can just loving Jesus give you Salvation? I'm not sure. How can your Heart be right with God if you teach false Doctrines? Look at the false Doctrines about Mary that the Catholics teach. Teaching false Doctrines as Truths from God keeps you from receiving Salvation.

What counts is BELIEVING Jesus Christ IS God AND doing the Will of the Father!

Is it doing the Will of the Father that you deceive people into believing there is no Hell? Is it doing the Will of the Father when you teach there is no Lake of Fire? No, you are not doing the Will of the Father. Teaching these doctrines will not keep you out of Heaven, and you will not receive any rewards for teaching these doctrines. All you have done will be burned up and you will enter into Heaven.

Is it doing the Will of the Father when you teach that Mary is equal to God? No. Is it doing the Will of the Father when you Pray to Mary? No. You Catholics are not doing the Will of the Father. Therefore the Catholics can never enter into Heaven.

Thank God salvation is based ONLY on Faith and Grace and NOT on Works!

 

[mikeuk]

when you teach that Mary is equal to God?

RCC does not teach that, yet one more straw man in a very long list.
If you want to criticise RCC start with the catechism.
Go to a mass to discover wall to wall scripture, and total focus on Jesus , Lamb, God Spirit.
Having been protestant, evangelical, then catholic, I can say without contradiction there is FAR MORE focus on scripture and Jesus in the mass than any other denomination.

The Only reference to mary in the context of "pray for us"
The Only reference to the pope in the context of "we pray for him"

Now you justify the logical contradiction of sola scriptura, neither biblical, nor historical!

 

[MikeHenderson]

Mother Theresa was not a true Christian because Mary was her goddess. Salvation is NOT based on works, but on Faith and Grace.

Mother Theresa did what she did to get attention for what she did to receive rewards. Everything she did was to attract attention to HERSELF and Mary and not to God!

Unfortunately many people do great works just to put themselves in the spotlight. Did Mother Theresa ever give credit to Jesus Christ? No. All the credit was given to Mary her goddess.

 

[mikeuk]

Mother Theresa was not a true Christian because Mary was her goddess.

You clearly have no idea what RCC believes.

Why do you abuse children? It is just as fair a question, as your statement above. It is a straw man!

 

[SAVAS]

It is less known because most of it is not true. More lies from Big Daddy and his cronies, and you are so naïve that you swallow it whole. You Roman Catholics are all mouth and trousers, except of course when you take your trousers off for the priests.[/QUOT

wow

 

[SAVAS]

so two generations had passed. However we agree with Ignatius about observing the Lord's Supper and do not believe that he taught the real presence. So we have no problem with Ignatius. He went a little over the top about bishops. But he was young and overexcited

young and overexcited? lol

you, removed 2,000 years, knows the emotional discourse of this mans teachings?

you are hilarious V.

 

[Jeff_56]

there is no evidence on earth that m.t. ever once was saved. and she herself said she wasn't.
there's hundreds, maybe thousands of examples of her
calling on or relying on other gods instead of jesus, and never on jesus.
she
never
led anyone to jesus. she was taught she was too evil to go to jesus. that's what the rcc taught and teaches its priests (unless they changed recently their word. (their spirit of evil has not changed).

"Mother Teresa provides the classic example of compassionate and charitable deeds divorced from truth. She says that her purpose is to bring her patients closer to the "God" in whom they already believe; so that a Hindu becomes a better Hindu, a Buddhist a better Buddhist, etc. (Vatican II says those of all religions are somehow saved through the Church.) She tells how to witness for Jesus:
One day they brought to our home a man with half his body eaten away. Worms crawled all over him, and the stench was so terrible....As I was cleaning him he looked at me and asked, "Why are you bothering?"
"I love you," I said...."For me you are Jesus coming in His distressing disguise."...Then...this Hindu gentleman...said, "Glory be to Jesus Christ." ...He realized that he was someone loved. ( New Evangelization 2000 , Issue 9, pp 11-12)
Tragically, this "Hindu gentleman," though lovingly cared for physically, was left in his spiritual corruption with all of his superstitions and false beliefs intact. He was left in his sins to die without Christ, a Hindu who was "loved," but not loved enough to be told the truth that would rescue him from hell!
Time magazine asked Mother Teresa a number of questions in November 1989. Her answers were revealing:
Q. Here in Calcutta, have you created a real change?
A. [We've] created a worldwide awareness of the poor.
Q. Beyond showing the poor to the world, have you conveyed any message about how to work with the poor?
A. You must make them feel loved and wanted. They are Jesus for me...in disguise.
Q. What do you think of Hinduism?
A. I love all religions....
How poor must one be in order to become "Jesus in disguise"? And how much money or possessions must one acquire to cease being "Jesus"? This loving woman hides a false gospel under emotional slogans. She launches the ones she loves from a clean bed into a Christless eternity and is praised for doing so! It is wrong to preach about a future life in heaven while neglecting to help those who suffer in this present life. Yet is it not equally wrong to fail to prepare souls for heaven while caring well for their bodies on earth?"

 

[Femalelamb]

Savas even if you're correct you must speak in love. God tells us to love, not impute people's sin upon themselves. He is calling us to reconciliation. I pray that you speak in love and through time spent with the Holy Spirit are filled with the fruits of the Spiriit.

 

[mikeuk]

I'm done. There comes a moment when you realize that this argument is not of God. God is for neither side of the argument here. We have literally done nothing but insult and one up with citations that could go on for eternity and only on a few occasions has there been any sign of love between those arguing.

Jeff, valiant, Ken, Mike: May God bless you eternally. May He forge you into great men in the kingdom. May He place you higher in the kingdom than I. May your lives be one's of sacrifice to God and may the rewards that await you in Heaven be vast and without number. But most of all, May God be with you forever.

With respect Thomist, the two sides of the conversation are not the same.

As catholics we are repeatedly attacked for views we do not even hold. If Catholicism was represented HONESTLY, as well as the views of some who adhere to it, I doubt if any of us would comment and we would allow it to be judged on truth.

But as you know it is not - it is misrepresented maliciously, sometimes by those who know a little about it, mainly by those who repeat myths that have been repeated so often they gain the status of fact, despite being false.

You and I have a choice. We can say nothing, and allow the lies to be told.
Or we can defend against them. If endless repetition of lies and insults is what others do, then endless repetition of the answers is all we can do to present the truth.

But the problem is here. For 20 years I believed the lies and misrepresentations, indeed shamefully I even echoed sum of them. But just by luck I found someone contesting them, that caused me to think, research, discover that to be deep in history is to cease to be protestant.

Had that person not shouted to be heard above the noise, I would not have heard the first of the arguments around which the edifice of protestantism started to crumble. The sad thing is so many catholics are badly catechised, so end up believing the false arguments about catholicism. Some like Ken Allan fall for those arguments. So I join in here , so that the next "me" can realise that there is a defensible position.

So the question is not why we defend, but why do others attack?

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[mikeuk]

Savas even if you're correct you must speak in love. God tells us to love, not impute people's sin upon themselves. He is calling us to reconciliation. I pray that you speak in love and through time spent with the Holy Spirit are filled with the fruits of the Spiriit.

Out of curiosity FL, I wonder whether it was Savas , you aimed that remark at? I suspect is was the failure of quotation brackets, that made it appear he said something insulting which was actually said by valiant and quoted - to which savas simply replied "wow"!
And rightly so.

 

[mwc68]

Can just loving Jesus give you Salvation? I'm not sure. How can your Heart be right with God if you teach false Doctrines? Look at the false Doctrines about Mary that the Catholics teach. Teaching false Doctrines as Truths from God keeps you from receiving Salvation.

What counts is BELIEVING Jesus Christ IS God AND doing the Will of the Father!

Is it doing the Will of the Father that you deceive people into believing there is no Hell? Is it doing the Will of the Father when you teach there is no Lake of Fire? No, you are not doing the Will of the Father. Teaching these doctrines will not keep you out of Heaven, and you will not receive any rewards for teaching these doctrines. All you have done will be burned up and you will enter into Heaven.

Is it doing the Will of the Father when you teach that Mary is equal to God? No. Is it doing the Will of the Father when you Pray to Mary? No. You Catholics are not doing the Will of the Father. Therefore the Catholics can never enter into Heaven.

Thank God salvation is based ONLY on Faith and Grace and NOT on Works!

This is really getting sad!!!!!I am Catholic and will always be. I've seen no real love or awe of God here. I see ppl pretending to experts and and times placing themselves above God. I have seen absolutely no respect for the mother of Our Lord and Savior except from my Catholic brothers. How would you like it if i came where you are and just started disrespecting your mom? Even better, set up a whole campaign to continue disrespecting her? I would never let that happen to my mom! Why do yall continue the disrespect of Our Lord's mother if you claim to be Christians? I attend Mass several times a week as well as lead the Youth Choir at our church. I am involved in several organizations through the church with charity as the focus. I pray several times a day and, oh yeah I READ MY BIBLE! I am not supposed to judge, but damn i doubt most of you even attend church along with other thing conducive to the Christian life. And, yes, we Catholics ARE CHRISTIANS. I am on a personal journey with my Lord and Savior and i am not being led by the devil.

 

[Jeff_56]

most catholics ARE NOT christian - they don't know even how to pray to JESUS or ask JESUS for forgiveness in repentance.
if you have, through JESUS, received forgiveness, and NOT THRU ANYONE ELSE<
then yes, you are forgiven, AND THAT IS RARE FOR CATHOLICS, not normal.

if you promote heresy, that is a strong indication if not absolute that you don't know JESUS.

 

[mikeuk]

most catholics ARE NOT christian.

You have no idea, you know nothing about them, and never did. You have built a caricature in your head, based on myth and fantasy, a mental effigy in which you stick pins. You are seemingly are unable to function without something to hate and ridicule, so hate and ridicule you do. And we happened to be there at the time. Historical Anti semitism worked just the same in cartoons. To draw a long nose on a portrait, then mock the long nose that is nowhere except in the imagination of the one who drew it. Go find something else to occupy that clear compulsive/obsessive need of yours. It has nothing to do with religion. Or us.

 

[GoodGnus]

most catholics ARE NOT christian - they don't know even how to pray to JESUS or ask JESUS for forgiveness in repentance.

It is such a blessing to have someone with your insight into the hearts of others contribute to our forum. I know my question does not belong in this thread, but I would be grateful if you let me know how many Lutherans, Methodists, and Baptists "ARE NOT christian"

And I love how you capitalize ARE NOT, but leave the title of my Lord and Savior in lower case. It shows what is really important.

 

[Jeff_56]

you heretics forgot, what site are you on ? this site says rcc catholicism IS HERESY. period. HERESY - NOT CHRISTIAN.

that's what the BIBLE says also.

that's what YAHSHUA and YAHWEH say ALSO.

so you dwell in heresy. you live a life of heresy. falsehood. lies. deception. if you trust heresy.

 

[Jeff_56]

repent. everyone is told by yahweh to repent. heretics too. if a heretic repents, he may be saved.

rcc is heresy. not biblical. not christian. if you deny this, not even GOD can help you, unless you repent.

 

[mwc68]

It is less known because most of it is not true. More lies from Big Daddy and his cronies, and you are so naïve that you swallow it whole. You Roman Catholics are all mouth and trousers, except of course when you take your trousers off for the priests.[/QUOT

wow

this is just sad and disgraceful. Shame on you

 

[valiant]

Another shameful statement by someone who pontificates uselessly like a pharisee, sitting in judgement of someone who did what the gospels demand. She saw Christ in the sick, the dying and needy, and "what you do unto them, you do unto me" was the underpinning of her charism . She got out there and did it. She touched the untouchables and lepers, which in India, with stench of the caste system means something. How dare you sit in judgement of her?

LOL you are so illogical. It was not I who sat in judgment on her but others who had examined the facts. And they were not the only ones. She certainly was willing to touch the needy but she failed to give them the help that someone more practical would have. And what did happen to the millions? Did Big Daddy and his cronies get it? It seems probable. However, I am prepared to await the results of the investigation.

As for university "research" it is overrated. I can point at 1000 pieces of nonsense , since proven as such, yet vindicated by universities!

yes I realise you wouldn't understand what research is. Now if Mother Teresa had been a Protestant you would have been cheering them on. You are a hypocrite.

The peer review system is just an old boys club that only allows in stuff from those who toe the line - most of the secular universities are happy poor urine over anything that has a religious whiff about it, and allow their "academics" to abuse any process to discredit it.

What a load of nonsense. What you mean is that they find plenty to attack in the Roman Catholic church.

Take the carbon dating of the shroud, now proven to be what it obviously was. Bad science. But it did not stop those so called academics ignore all the research that proved them wrong,

LOL the shroud is fake. It has not been proven genuine at all except to those who listen submissively to Big Daddy.

Your attempt at discriminating petra and petros proves university qualification is no metric of good research or common sense even.

well I am ready to go along with the early fathers in making the distinction. And as one who is knowledgeable about koine Greek I am quite happy that the distinction is genuine.

Why do you think Luke and especially Mark who travelled with Peter in his final days fail to mention the words in question? It was because they knew that they had said all that needed to be said in emphasising Peter's declaration that Jesus was the Messiah. It was that declaration that was clearly central to the whole passage, and they saw no point in emphasising it further. THEY knew that the ROCK was the statement concerning Jesus' Messiahship, and consequently concerning Jesus Himself, as the rest of the New Testament emphasised. Thus they saw the words of Jesus to Peter as just an underpinning of that Declaration. Do you really think that if they had seen it as the Roman Catholic church sees it that they would not have emphasised it, especially MARK? You are clearly lacking in intelligence if you do.

If He had meant Peter He would have said, 'You are petros and on you as the petros I will build my church'. But He did not mean that. He said, you are petros, and upon THIS petra that you have spoken, I will build my church. It was a play on words as most of the early fathers recognised. Whenever Christ is spoken of as the foundation it is always as petra.

 

[GoodGnus]

you heretics forgot, what site are you on ? this site says rcc catholicism IS HERESY. period. HERESY - NOT CHRISTIAN.

that's what the BIBLE says also.

that's what YAHSHUA and YAHWEH say ALSO.

so you dwell in heresy. you live a life of heresy. falsehood. lies. deception. if you trust heresy.

Lets try to communicate the same thought in a loving Christian manner:

This thread is only for those who feel that the RCC is full of heresy, lies and deception. If you choose to deny the heresy or question my authority in the matter, please do not post to this thread.