Catholic Heresy (for the record)

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I'm done. There comes a moment when you realize that this argument is not of God. God is for neither side of the argument here. We have literally done nothing but insult and one up with citations that could go on for eternity and only on a few occasions has there been any sign of love between those arguing.

Jeff, valiant, Ken, Mike: May God bless you eternally. May He forge you into great men in the kingdom. May He place you higher in the kingdom than I. May your lives be one's of sacrifice to God and may the rewards that await you in Heaven be vast and without number. But most of all, May God be with you forever.
 
Jackson123 said:
You said a lot of Catholic dogma is wrong.

Wrong in this case is oppose the dogma of Jesus, am I correct?

If so why they don't leave catholic and be with Jesus?
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i don't believe Catholicism is wrong. you each have your own interpretation and that is the heart of the problem. even David. Koresh and Charles Manson. had their. own interpretation
 
A lot of them are with Jesus. Most people don't study dogma, Jackson123.

They simply recognize Jesus and love him on sight and their families have already managed to convey his benevolence to them.

But there are other people who have to agonize over every detail before coming to a conclusion and they can't integrate the contradiction between Jesus paying for their sin yet God still holding a whip over them.

Some people see doctrinal contradiction more plainly than others and the truth can't contradict itself and still be the truth.
 
Cloud9 said:
Too many closed minds in this thread.

I told you all to seek and as far as I can tell not one,of you did.

So I am done with this thread.

Atheists call theists dogmatic all the time and I never believed it before but now I do.

Dogma is important I believe for spiritual birth.

But hell doctrine does nothing to increase the chance of spiritual birth.

You have to trust somebody to receive your spiritual seed just like in a natural pregnancy.

You guys have succeeded in your close mindedness in making God look like a rapist that forces people into spiritual birth by upholding the hell doctrine. You have depicted Him as Molech.

I told you to check....and you were all too lazy to do it. Supremely confident in your intellectual pride.

May God have mercy on your hard hearted, stubborn souls.
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Or is it, "Physician, heal thyself."
 
Elin said:
Or is it, "Physician, heal thyself."
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If everyone is going to hell then why are you sitting here?

Why aren't you out saving people in malaria ridden Africa?

You don't believe in hell yet you stay silent.

Fear of man is the reason. You might not fit in with someone in your church or family.....fear of man....like the spies that didn't go along with Joshua and Caleb and obey God.

You fear what people think more than what God thinks.
 
Elin said:
Or is it, "Physician, heal thyself."
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You scripture quoting ignoramus.

I told you to check the ancient language.

Hanson on aion/aionios.

I gave you all multiple links with the detailed analysis and you declined to examine them just like the atheists declined to examine the evidence I brought them after they demanded that I provide evidence.

You are no better than an atheist....shame on you... a coward just like the atheist cowards I dialogued with for years.
 
ThomistColin said:
I'm done. There comes a moment when you realize that this argument is not of God. God is for neither side of the argument here. We have literally done nothing but insult and one up with citations that could go on for eternity and only on a few occasions has there been any sign of love between those arguing.

Jeff, valiant, Ken, Mike: May God bless you eternally. May He forge you into great men in the kingdom. May He place you higher in the kingdom than I. May your lives be one's of sacrifice to God and may the rewards that await you in Heaven be vast and without number. But most of all, May God be with you forever.
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I agree. This has digressed into name calling
 
Thank you LORD for the great honor of serving you. In the tradition of all the great martyrs of the faith.

Thank you for saving me from being a stinking coward.

Praise your Holy Name, O Sublime One.
 
Cloud9 said:
Thank you LORD for the great honor of serving you. In the tradition of all the great martyrs of the faith.

Thank you for saving me from being a stinking coward.

Praise your Holy Name, O Sublime One.
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Just read 2 of your posts. Rather arrogant and rude. And you're serving in the tradition of all the great martyrs of the faith? You seem pretty alive to me.
And by saved from being a stinking coward you mean one that sits online ranting about others doing nothing (while you're online mind you), calling names, flailing accusations? If you're going into secular rooms to be a witness no wonder it's going so poorly.
 
Cloud9 said:
You scripture quoting ignoramus.

I told you to check the ancient language.

Hanson on aion/aionios.

I gave you all multiple links with the detailed analysis and you declined to examine them just like the atheists declined to examine the evidence I brought them after they demanded that I provide evidence.

You are no better than an atheist....shame on you... a coward just like the atheist cowards I dialogued with for years.
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Tad touchy, are we. . .and self-righteous.
 
Ugly said:
Just read 2 of your posts. Rather arrogant and rude. And you're serving in the tradition of all the great martyrs of the faith? You seem pretty alive to me.
And by saved from being a stinking coward you mean one that sits online ranting about others doing nothing (while you're online mind you), calling names, flailing accusations? If you're going into secular rooms to be a witness no wonder it's going so poorly.
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You should have read back further where she accused me of unbelief.

She shot the first arrows.

She doesn't want to go to Africa and save people from hell.

Even though the scriptures say the wages of sin is death. Not hell.

If it was hell Jesus would have to still be there paying the cost for us.
 
Hope you all rethink things. It took Jones 9 months to come to grips,with it....Hell is a false doctrine.

It took me about 9 minutes.

I'm incapable of thinking badly about God....He does all things for my good.

I can't think of a single time in my life where I blamed anything on God.

I know a lot of,people do....even atheists who say He doesn't exist.

But not me....I'm his loyalist fan.

He can put me through the wringer any time He wants...sure I will feel pain....still I always trust Him.

I guess He and I are best friends for forever.
 
Cloud9 said:
A lot of them are with Jesus. Most people don't study dogma, Jackson123.

They simply recognize Jesus and love him on sight and their families have already managed to convey his benevolence to them.

But there are other people who have to agonize over every detail before coming to a conclusion and they can't integrate the contradiction between Jesus paying for their sin yet God still holding a whip over them.

Some people see doctrinal contradiction more plainly than others and the truth can't contradict itself and still be the truth.
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So you don't believe if a person sincerely love Jesus, Holy Spirit will led this person to the right path?

Say he pray for Mary, but he sincerely love Jesus, Holy spirit not warn him that it is not real Mary, It is Lucifer.
 
Jesus Christ is the greatest friend of women in history as is God but not Their followers.

The ancient Jews oppressed women and so did the Church.

Women Were Considered To Be in A State of Punishment For Sin
Women were considered to be in a state of punishment for sin

Now Adam was the head....He was in charge but Eve took all the blame from the world as if Adam had no will in the matter at all.

Adam means man. Eve means living.

The carnal is always suppressing the spiritual. Figure that one out.
 
mwc68 said:
I always thought, and still do, that humility was one of the goals
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I don't know...I think humility is immanent in some people....though they gain more of it.

Some people practice false humility though and they are hard to spot.

This world likes to peer pressure people into false humility a lot.
 
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