Catholic Heresy (for the record)

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Wow...there are Catholics who are bad and wrong? How could that be possible?

Maybe because...there are wrong and bad people everywhere.
 
You missed the part where Mike indicates individual prayer is not doctrine, no matter what color you make it

now quit pretending you know catholic prayer better than catholics
 
Jackson123 said:
DO YOU HAVE PROBLEMS READING JACKSON?
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is that why you need to BOLD everything?


If you CAN read than read this which makes it all clear , even to you.

970 "Mary's function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin's salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it.

Are you happy now.

Can we type normally from now on?

I have to go...
 
ThomistColin said:
Wow...there are Catholics who are bad and wrong? How could that be possible?

Maybe because...there are wrong and bad people everywhere.
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Bad people are every where. But Pope is infallible in teaching of faith

and If there something wrong about prayer of the saint, Pope must and obligate to warn his member.



  1. Prayer to the Blessed Virgin

Most Holy and Immaculate Virgin! O my Mother! Thou who art the Mother of my Lord, the Queen of the world, the advocate, hope, and refuge of sinners! I, the most wretched among them, now come to thee. I worship thee, great Queen, and give thee thanks for the many favors thou hast bestowed on my in the past; most of all do I thank thee for having saved me from hell, which I had so often deserved. I love thee, Lady most worthy of all love, and, by the love which I bear thee, I promise ever in the future to serve thee, and to do what in me lies to win others to thy love. In thee I put all my trust, all my hope of salvation. Receive me as thy servant, and cover me with the mantle of thy protection, thou who art the Mother of mercy! And since thou hast so much power with God, deliver me from all temptations, or at least obtain for me the grace ever to overcome them. From thee I ask a true love of Jesus Christ, and the grace of a happy death. O my Mother! By thy love for God I beseech thee to be at all times my helper, but above all at the last moment of my life. Leave me not until thou seest me safe in heaven, there for endless ages to bless thee and sing thy praises. Such is my hope. Amen.― (Prayer of St. Alphonse Liguori, 3 yrs indulgence,Raccolta, 342)






  1. 18. It is therefore, a pleasure for us, a full century having passed since the Pontiff of immortal memory, Pius IX, solemnly proclaimed this singular privilege of the Virgin Mother of God, to summarize the whole doctrinal position and conclude in these words of the same Pontiff, asserting that this doctrine "vouched for in Sacred Scripture according to the interpretation of the Fathers, is handed down by them in so many of their important writings, is expressed and celebrated in so many illustrious monuments of renowned antiquity, and proposed and confirmed by the greatest and highest decision of the Church" (Bull Ineffabilis Deus), so that to pastors and faithful there is nothing "more sweet, nothing dearer than to worship, venerate, invoke and praise with ardent affection the Mother of God conceived without stain of original sin. (Ibidem.)
 
Jackson123 said:
Bad people are every where. But Pope is infallible in teaching of faith



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You continue to repeat words THAT ARE SIMPLY NOT THERE IN THE ORIGINAL TEXT. ie worship. The word "venerate" is in the original text as distinct from "adoration" - or worship due to God.

And the pope acts infallibly only when speaking ex cathedra.

Popes have done some bad things! They are ordinary people. Luther and Wycliff were right about the excesses of medieaval popes for example. But their solution was wrong. They threw the baby out with the bathwater.
 
mikeuk said:
is that why you need to BOLD everything?


If you CAN read than read this which makes it all clear , even to you.

970 "Mary's function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin's salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it.

Are you happy now.

Can we type normally from now on?

I have to go...
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So Mary is not a mother of God? Am I right?

how about this brother?



966 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death."[SUP]508[/SUP] The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:
In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.[SUP]509[/SUP]
. . . she is our Mother in the order of grace
 
mikeuk said:
You continue to repeat words THAT ARE SIMPLY NOT THERE IN THE ORIGINAL TEXT. ie worship. The word "venerate" is in the original text as distinct from "adoration" - or worship due to God.

And the pope acts infallibly only when speaking ex cathedra.

Popes have done some bad things! They are ordinary people. Luther and Wycliff were right about the excesses of medieaval popes for example. But their solution was wrong. They threw the baby out with the bathwater.
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I am not only talking about worship brother,

I am talking about to this:


In thee I put all my trust, all my hope of salvation.


Is this saint put all his trust and hope of salvation to Mary, not Jesus?

Did Mary replace Jesus?
 
No, dude

i can make things up too! Australia! Elephants! Cookies! India! Tabletop!
 
mikeuk said:
Elin said:
So it looks like I am in pretty good company.
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Well you are in a lot of company, but that does not make it good!

The conversation between peter and Jesus was Aramaic as the working language of common people , in which no such distinction of Petra and petros exists,
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So you're not in favor of the church fathers?

I'm thinking I'm going with Matthew's version and with the language God ordained for his NT word written rather than your assertions.
 
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ThomistColin said:
Yes...infallibility of the Pope is only in special circumstances. Not everything he says is right.
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Good, it mean you better read and asking Holy spirit to interpreted the bible, since you confess that Pope teaching about faith may wrong, and it mean you believe not only Pope authorized to interpreted the bible.

If he sole bible interpreted choose by God he must be reliable and can't be wrong.
 
mikeuk said:
Start at the beginning why not? The earliest writings are mainly letters but they give a fascinating insight into the church. Those of the generation of Polycarp, such as Ignatius were actually taught by the apostles, indeed refer to such as Paul.

See here for example EPISTLES

Take just one letter ignatius to the smyrneans (polycarps diocese) (two paragraphs below)

Which confirms belief that the eucharist is the flesh...and it is heresy to think otherwise.
That to be valid it must be performed by a bishop.

I enclose a couple of paragraphs below -
RCC did not invent this stuff. The early church was liturgical (eg didache) sacramental, bishops and so on, as demonstrated by what the fathers say, and they were taught by the apostles..

So irenaus, ignatius, polycarp , justin martyr are some of the first. Later fathers, the sermons too are fascinating, explaining links between OT and NT in ways few consider.

CHAPTER VII.--LET US STAND ALOOF FROM SUCH HERETICS.

They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again. Those, therefore, who speak against this gift of God, incur death in the midst of their disputes. But it were better for them to treat it with respect, that they also might rise again. It is fitting, therefore, that ye should keep aloof from such persons, and not to speak of them either in private or in public, but to give heed to the prophets, and above all, to the Gospel, in which the passion [of Christ] has been revealed to us, and the resurrection has been fully proved. But avoid all divisions, as the beginning of evils.

CHAPTER VIII.--LET NOTHING BE DONE WITHOUT THE BISHOP.

See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.

I have to go for a few days. God bless all.
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You know, I just don't know what they could tell me that the word of God doesn't.

I think I'm just going to stay with the source itself rather than writings about the source.

But thanks anyway.
 
Can someone more advanced give me the step by step method to practice Sola since I'm not understanding its concept of doctrine.

Or at least give me a teaching, before Luther which eludes to the fact that the Early Church practiced it? There's 1500 years, there has to be something taught on the matter.

Please help
 
Elin said:
You know, I just don't know what they could tell me that the word of God doesn't.

I think I'm just going to stay with the source itself rather than writings about the source.

But thanks anyway.
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Hebrews 13:7-8:(
 
Jackson123 said:
Good, it mean you better read and asking Holy spirit to interpreted the bible, since you confess that Pope teaching about faith may wrong, and it mean you believe not only Pope authorized to interpreted the bible.

If he sole bible interpreted choose by God he must be reliable and can't be wrong.
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He isn't the Bible interpreter...he's the Prince of the Apostles. The Church is the interpreter, not the Pope.
 
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