Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[mattp0625]

Secondly, let me know how you feel about teachers who molest kids. Are you forbidding your education as a result? I'm guessing not so much.

 

[mattp0625]

What's your point ? ... Fact remains, there's none greater... but you make that list as if Peter was " the greatest "... Peter was wrong, as desiredhaven said, Paul rebuked Peter, most of the New Testament written by who ? Paul... Some where in 2 Peter, Peter even states this, and says some of Paul's wisdom is hard to understand, and that the untaught, will distort scripture to their own destruction ... Something to think about..

Its a significant point. J the baptist died well before Jesus. He had nothing to do with forming the church. The whole discussion is about apostolic succession and the church

 

[valiant]

For example, when you "re posted" peter's arrest, you left out the part about being rescued by angels. You also left out Peter walking on water.

have to watch you at every turn

LOL now how would that make him a leader? he sank in the water and failed why should an angel letting him out say anything? You clutch at straws. But then that's all you've got

 

[Elin]

I'm thinking Jesus made a distinction in Mt 16:19 between Peter (petros, small rock) and this rock (petra, mass of rock) because this rock is Jesus himself (Mt 21:42;
Eph 2:20-21; Ac 4:11; Ro 9:32; 1Pe 2:6)
on whom the church is built.

It is the body of Christ, and no one else on earth, which
has the keys to the kingdom of heaven; i.e., the gospel, binding and loosing, in the preaching of the gospel, what has been bound in heaven and what has been loosed in heaven (Jn 3:18, 36).

so Jesus said: you are Peter, and I build the church on myself? It's a theory, but not one based on scripture. Problematic for Sola Scriptura

Yep. . .Jesus said you are a small rock and on the massive stone I will build my church.

Jesus used two different words, petros and petra, for a distinction between Peter and the cornerstone of the church.

I suggest you consult
your beloved early church fathers. Of those
who spoke of Matt 16 forty four said that the rock was the statement Peter had made that Jesus was the Christ the Son of the living God, eighteen said it was Peter and
seventeen said it was Christ.

So it looks like I am in pretty good company.

 

[Brainfreeze]

Here ... Found it for you

2 Peter 3:16

…15and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. 17You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness,…

 

[mattp0625]

Looks like I am in pretty good company.

Not if you're Sola Scriptura

 

[mattp0625]

LOL now how would that make him a leader? he sank in the water and failed why should an angel letting him out say anything? You clutch at straws. But then that's all you've got

You may not agree with scripture, but I don't agree with you selectively editing my posts

 

[valiant]

Sir- If you have knowledge of God and power to condemn. Please tell me the date of the second coming. Thank you.
Also- no one "worships" Mary. Protestant false accusation. It's asking for prayers. Big difference and already covered.

1. Prayer to the Blessed Virgin​
   Most Holy and Immaculate Virgin! O my Mother! Thou who art the Mother of my Lord, the Queen of the world, the advocate, hope, and refuge of sinners! I, the most wretched among them, now come to thee. I worship thee, great Queen, and give thee thanks for the many favors thou hast bestowed on my in the past; most of all do I thank thee for having saved me from hell, which I had so often deserved. I love thee, Lady most worthy of all love, and, by the love which I bear thee, I promise ever in the future to serve thee, and to do what in me lies to win others to thy love. In thee I put all my trust, all my hope of salvation. Receive me as thy servant, and cover me with the mantle of thy protection, thou who art the Mother of mercy! And since thou hast so much power with God, deliver me from all temptations, or at least obtain for me the grace ever to overcome them. From thee I ask a true love of Jesus Christ, and the grace of a happy death. O my Mother! By thy love for God I beseech thee to be at all times my helper, but above all at the last moment of my life. Leave me not until thou seest me safe in heaven, there for endless ages to bless thee and sing thy praises. Such is my hope. Amen.― (Prayer of St. Alphonse Liguori, 3 yrs indulgence,Raccolta, 342)​

1. 18. It is therefore, a pleasure for us, a full century having passed since the Pontiff of immortal memory, Pius IX, solemnly proclaimed this singular privilege of the Virgin Mother of God, to summarize the whole doctrinal position and conclude in these words of the same Pontiff, asserting that this doctrine "vouched for in Sacred Scripture according to the interpretation of the Fathers, is handed down by them in so many of their important writings, is expressed and celebrated in so many illustrious monuments of renowned antiquity, and proposed and confirmed by the greatest and highest decision of the Church" (Bull Ineffabilis Deus), so that to pastors and faithful there is nothing "more sweet, nothing dearer than to worship, venerate, invoke and praise with ardent affection the Mother of God conceived without stain of original sin. (Ibidem.)​
   33. But where - as is the case in almost all dioceses, there exists a church in which the Virgin Mother of God is worshipped with more intense devotion, thither on stated days let pilgrims flock together in great numbers and publicly and in the open give glorious expression to their common Faith and their common love toward the Virgin Most Holy. ...​
   34. But let this holy city of Rome be the first to give the example, this city which from the earliest Christian era worshipped the heavenly mother, its patroness, with a special devotion. As all know, there are many sacred edifices here, in which she is proposed for the devotion of the Roman people; but the greatest without doubt is the Liberian Basilica [St. Mary Major], in which the mosaics of Our predecessor of pious memory, Sixtus III, still glisten, an outstanding monument to the Divine maternity of the Virgin Mary, and in which the "salvation of the Roman people" (Salus Populi Romani) benignly smiles.​
   Source:

   

   FULGENS CORONA, Encyclical Of Pope PIUS XII, September 8th, 1953.​

 

[mattp0625]

Is that In the RCC catechism?
oh right, you know Catholic doctrine better than Catholics

now, please don't selectively edit my posts

 

[Brainfreeze]

Its a significant point. J the baptist died well before Jesus. He had nothing to do with forming the church. The whole discussion is about apostolic succession and the church

We are the church, " body " show me where Jesus talks about stuffing billions of dollars away in vatican, or a library where ordinary folks can't visit, or carrying in a pope like some king on velvet... Show me where he said to persecute the Waldenses , show me anything, and talking about forgiving sins and retaining them, didn't Jesus answer this with " forgive your brothers 77x7 ? ... Show me where Jesus said to infiltrate Christians, marry and make them catholic.. Show me how a mostly Protestant America " upon founding " became catholic ... Maybe Jesuit agendas ? It's in black and white, people talk... Show me where Jesus says pray and worship amongst muslims to while your in the good book appreciate it.. Matt

 

[mattp0625]

Um- most Vatican wealth is comprised of historic real estate and art. Thats not the same as dollars or any other currency
thats just for starters
the assumptions aren't working, friend.

 

[Brainfreeze]

Um- most Vatican wealth is comprised of historic real estate and art. Thats not the same as dollars or any other currency
thats just for starters
the assumptions aren't working, friend.

Oh Really now.....

Vatican priest arrested for plot to smuggle $26 million from Switzerland | New York Post

 

[SAVAS]

So it looks like I am in pretty good company.

Your probably right about your company, its even nicer to be able call all of the Church Fathers your company. Specifically St. John Chystostom, St. Athenasius the Great, and St. Gregory of Pallamas to name a few. You know scripture well enough, thats obvious. You should read the lives of these men. Consider it fullfilling Heb 13:7

 

[Elin]

I'm thinking Jesus made a distinction in Mt 16:19 between Peter (petros, small rock) and this rock (petra, mass of rock) because this rock is Jesus himself (Mt 21:42;
Eph 2:20-21; Ac 4:11; Ro 9:32; 1Pe 2:6)
on whom the church is built.

It is the body of Christ, and no one else on earth, which
has the keys to the kingdom of heaven; i.e., the gospel, binding and loosing, in the preaching of the gospel, what has been bound in heaven and what has been loosed in heaven (Jn 3:18, 36).

Looks like I am in pretty good company with this understanding. . .some of the church fathers.

Not if you're Sola Scriptura

Yes, Scripture is the only spiritual authority which I accept.

 

[mattp0625]

Oh Really now.....

Vatican priest arrested for plot to smuggle $26 million from Switzerland | New York Post

Actually yea, if you research Vatican equity. Which you didnt

The actions of one does not the Vatican make.

Have you ever sinned? Does that sin of the individual define your whole family?

 

[Brainfreeze]

Actually yea, if you research Vatican equity.
The actions of one does not the Vatican make.

Have you ever sinned? Does that sin of the individual define your whole family?

Haha! If it's got something to do with my families bank, who else does it concern ... So this was a lone wolf, ... Haha, yea ok, if you read the article it said Francis is trying to fix corruption with " the vatican " bank..

 

[mattp0625]

Dude, first get John the Baptist right. Then we can have a fruitful discussion

 

[Elin]

Your probably right about your company, its even nicer to be able call all of the Church Fathers your company. Specifically St. John Chystostom, St. Athenasius the Great, and St. Gregory of Pallamas to name a few. You know scripture well enough, thats obvious. You should read the lives of these men. Consider it fullfilling Heb 13:7

If they are Biblical, I would definitely consider them my company.

 

[Brainfreeze]

Dude, first get John the Baptist right. Then we can have a fruitful discussion

Show me where I got it wrong ? Did I say John the Baptist wrote revelations somewhere ? ... Deflect, I guess that all you guys are good at, I'd eat your food any day on the subject, so facts are stated others can do their do diligence and get the facts, most here know already though ... Don't know why your defending it, it's your choice though..

 

[SAVAS]

If they are Biblical, I would definitely consider them my company.

Yes yes. You would love their writings