Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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I've reported you to the moderators Jeff. Enough is enough. My report stated the following:
"Is there a way to bring this guy under moderator control to decrease the ranting, raving, false assertions, personal attacks he's making, etc...?
It's understood that Catholicism has increasingly strayed from the Christian orthodoxy taught by Jesus Christ, the apostles, the apostolic fathers, and most of the church patriarchs since the Middle Ages which started in 500 AD; however, he's raving like madman in this thread.
Understand that the result is the OP's (e.g. RoboOp) original intention in creating the thread to correct Catholics and "that we can promote the truth here in love" is completely undermined by having these characters scream at Catholics (including those who happened to have accepted the Gospel but stayed in a Catholic church) that they all belong to the "whore of Babylon" and will "burn in hell for eternity" and that we shouldn't even try to understand them, their worldview, etc... but rather should just rant incessantly at them and make personal attacks against them.
How long is this going to continue? The thread is literally locked up from accomplishing its original purpose of apologetically evangelizing Catholics by these people."
Personally, I hope they ban you for the atrocious behavior you've engaged in but most likely they'll examine your behavior and issue the appropriate infraction warning.
Now would be a good time to reinvent yourself into someone that can have a normal discussion without degenerating into an enraged ranter launching one personal attack after another against Catholics in sustained quick succession. It's untenable.
"Is there a way to bring this guy under moderator control to decrease the ranting, raving, false assertions, personal attacks he's making, etc...?
It's understood that Catholicism has increasingly strayed from the Christian orthodoxy taught by Jesus Christ, the apostles, the apostolic fathers, and most of the church patriarchs since the Middle Ages which started in 500 AD; however, he's raving like madman in this thread.
Understand that the result is the OP's (e.g. RoboOp) original intention in creating the thread to correct Catholics and "that we can promote the truth here in love" is completely undermined by having these characters scream at Catholics (including those who happened to have accepted the Gospel but stayed in a Catholic church) that they all belong to the "whore of Babylon" and will "burn in hell for eternity" and that we shouldn't even try to understand them, their worldview, etc... but rather should just rant incessantly at them and make personal attacks against them.
How long is this going to continue? The thread is literally locked up from accomplishing its original purpose of apologetically evangelizing Catholics by these people."
Personally, I hope they ban you for the atrocious behavior you've engaged in but most likely they'll examine your behavior and issue the appropriate infraction warning.
Now would be a good time to reinvent yourself into someone that can have a normal discussion without degenerating into an enraged ranter launching one personal attack after another against Catholics in sustained quick succession. It's untenable.
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I fully agree that praying to Mary is complete Idolatry! And anyone who claims to
be a Christian, and is praying to Mary instead of the Lord Jesus Christ,
is not a Christian, but has been deceived by the father of lies! Every Catholic person
that I have ever met that became born again and received the Holy Spirit,
denounced every false doctrine of the Catholic church! For the true Holy Spirit
filled Christian, will only agree and except what the bible teaches!
I will say this about Mary though, and this does not make her any more special
or valuable than any other child of God, but Mary represented the Bride of Christ
in the way she received the spoken word of God with out doubting, and by the
power of the Holy Spirit, Christ Jesus was formed in her. So as the Bride of Christ,
we receive his pure word not defiled by man, and by the power of his spirit,
his life is manifested in us and threw us!
It is so sad to see so many millions of sincere Catholic people being deceived and
robbed of there salvation. And you just wonder how many hungry children could
be fed, from the millions of dollars spent on candles and rosary beads!!!
be a Christian, and is praying to Mary instead of the Lord Jesus Christ,
is not a Christian, but has been deceived by the father of lies! Every Catholic person
that I have ever met that became born again and received the Holy Spirit,
denounced every false doctrine of the Catholic church! For the true Holy Spirit
filled Christian, will only agree and except what the bible teaches!
I will say this about Mary though, and this does not make her any more special
or valuable than any other child of God, but Mary represented the Bride of Christ
in the way she received the spoken word of God with out doubting, and by the
power of the Holy Spirit, Christ Jesus was formed in her. So as the Bride of Christ,
we receive his pure word not defiled by man, and by the power of his spirit,
his life is manifested in us and threw us!
It is so sad to see so many millions of sincere Catholic people being deceived and
robbed of there salvation. And you just wonder how many hungry children could
be fed, from the millions of dollars spent on candles and rosary beads!!!
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You didn't understand my post well. I'll recap:
1. The Bible refutes the assertion that God's finite created being Mary is telepathically receiving, comprehending, and interceding on behalf of millions of individual human communications per day.
2. Scientific studies verified that living people are not receiving telepathic communications in parallel by either normal ESP or via the occult.
3. Time is a dimensional boundary on the people living in this universe. Communications received by finite beings not possessing omniscience outside of this universe are conditioned by the constraints of our time dimension for the simple reason that those living inside of it are conditioned by the constraints of our time dimension in sending.
1. The Bible refutes the assertion that God's finite created being Mary is telepathically receiving, comprehending, and interceding on behalf of millions of individual human communications per day.
2. Scientific studies verified that living people are not receiving telepathic communications in parallel by either normal ESP or via the occult.
3. Time is a dimensional boundary on the people living in this universe. Communications received by finite beings not possessing omniscience outside of this universe are conditioned by the constraints of our time dimension for the simple reason that those living inside of it are conditioned by the constraints of our time dimension in sending.
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Despite theological protests to the contrary, any additional mediation with God is an affront to the all-sufficient, divinely appointed mediatorship of Jesus Christ: "There is... one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" -1 Timothy 2:5.
For "For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet he did not sin. Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need" -Hebrews 4:15-16.
There is no reason to go to Mary or any other saint in heaven with our requests.
This does not mean we cannot ask other living believers on earth to pray to Jesus for us. In fact, the Bible exhorts those of us living on earth presently to pray for each other.
However, understand that we are asking other earthly believers to pray for us and not communing with the dead (e.g. communicating with people who have already physically died which the Bible strictly forbids); we are not asking these living believers on earth to themselves give us grace or mercy (as Catholics do of Mary) but instead asking God for grace and mercy; (3) we are not praying to other earthly believers but asking them to pray for us.
Catholic apologists attempt to make a distinction between Christ as the sole mediator and all believers as intercessors but this does not help their cause (of proving we should pray to saints), because all the passages they employ are about direct intercession in prayer to God, not to other creatures. No biblical passage states or implies that we should pray to the saints. Catholic dogma, which maintains infallibly that we should, places tradition over Scripture thereby proving the fallibility of the magisterium.
Catholic rationalization for praying to the saints is also based on the seemingly plausible argument that because of their position in heaven, they may be better able to intercede. This, though, rejects the ministry of the Spirit, whose task it is to do this on our behalf. Who is better able to intercede for us than another person of the Trinity?
"We do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groaning which cannot be uttered" (Romans 8:26)"; through Him [Christ] we... have access by one Spirit to the Father" (Ephesians 2:18). Since beyond our explicit prayers to God, the Holy Spirit intercedes for us perfectly "in accordance with God's will" (Romans 8:27), there is no need to call on anyone else in heaven to do so. Start with 1 John 2. It is wrong to expect any person to be more efficacious with God the Father than God the Son and God the Spirit all of whom are omnescent and immutability so.
This; however, does not equate to your assertion that "anyone who claims to be a Christian, and is praying to Mary instead of the Lord Jesus Christ, is not a Christian but has been deceived by the father of lies!" is factual.
In fact, it's not because the requirements for salvation do not exempt anyone in the world who prays to Mary from receiving salvation.
People around the world are deceived about a great many things including Catholics praying to Mary; however, God doesn't require perfect doctrinal understanding to receive salvation. Instead, the Bible states they receive salvation by accepting the Gospel and being "born again." (see John 3). Afterwards, comes progressive sanctification and the renewing of the mind.
For "For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet he did not sin. Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need" -Hebrews 4:15-16.
There is no reason to go to Mary or any other saint in heaven with our requests.
This does not mean we cannot ask other living believers on earth to pray to Jesus for us. In fact, the Bible exhorts those of us living on earth presently to pray for each other.
However, understand that we are asking other earthly believers to pray for us and not communing with the dead (e.g. communicating with people who have already physically died which the Bible strictly forbids); we are not asking these living believers on earth to themselves give us grace or mercy (as Catholics do of Mary) but instead asking God for grace and mercy; (3) we are not praying to other earthly believers but asking them to pray for us.
Catholic apologists attempt to make a distinction between Christ as the sole mediator and all believers as intercessors but this does not help their cause (of proving we should pray to saints), because all the passages they employ are about direct intercession in prayer to God, not to other creatures. No biblical passage states or implies that we should pray to the saints. Catholic dogma, which maintains infallibly that we should, places tradition over Scripture thereby proving the fallibility of the magisterium.
Catholic rationalization for praying to the saints is also based on the seemingly plausible argument that because of their position in heaven, they may be better able to intercede. This, though, rejects the ministry of the Spirit, whose task it is to do this on our behalf. Who is better able to intercede for us than another person of the Trinity?
"We do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groaning which cannot be uttered" (Romans 8:26)"; through Him [Christ] we... have access by one Spirit to the Father" (Ephesians 2:18). Since beyond our explicit prayers to God, the Holy Spirit intercedes for us perfectly "in accordance with God's will" (Romans 8:27), there is no need to call on anyone else in heaven to do so. Start with 1 John 2. It is wrong to expect any person to be more efficacious with God the Father than God the Son and God the Spirit all of whom are omnescent and immutability so.
This; however, does not equate to your assertion that "anyone who claims to be a Christian, and is praying to Mary instead of the Lord Jesus Christ, is not a Christian but has been deceived by the father of lies!" is factual.
In fact, it's not because the requirements for salvation do not exempt anyone in the world who prays to Mary from receiving salvation.
People around the world are deceived about a great many things including Catholics praying to Mary; however, God doesn't require perfect doctrinal understanding to receive salvation. Instead, the Bible states they receive salvation by accepting the Gospel and being "born again." (see John 3). Afterwards, comes progressive sanctification and the renewing of the mind.
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I did understand your post and my answer exactly the same.
Absence of evidence or proof, is not evidence or proof of absence.
Time is not as simple as you think, as demonstrated in quantum world.
Absence of specific biblical assertion is no comment on truth or falsehood, so not refutation.
Your statement on drift of catholic belief is an opinion not a fact, the church fathers belief set changing little in millenia, indeed the massive deviation of opinions began at the reformation, to the exasperation of Luther in later life who notes " there were now as many doctrinal opinions as there were heads" , very much true of this forum.
I am curious however you do at least value truth in arguments, so in referring to Roboops OP that started 100 pages or more,, I query why do you not challenge the errors in that? His comment on a relative believing that "Mary saves" when it is not a valid criticism of Catholicism which does not believe that, or honouring mary as " mother of god" when Elizabeth did much the same.
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The aggregate of biblical and scientific evidence refutes the assertion. It's not an absence of evidence. It IS the evidence. And I understand time and quantum mechanics fine. But you're making comments which suggest to me that you do not understand how they work in our universe much less in extra-dimensionality.
My PhD scientist friends and I are competent to qualify your assertion scientifically. So please submit to us your scientific evidence that quantum mechanics is presently enabling Mary (e.g. a created finite spirit being) to field millions of prayers for biological humans (e.g. created finite biological/spirit beings constrained by our universe's dimension of time) each day for omniscient God. *cricket* *cricket*.
That aside, my statement on Catholic drift is a fact not just an opinion. Present Catholic dogma wildly diverges from that of the early apostolic church. I'm sorry this offends you but it is, in fact, a fact.
Certainly the Catholic Church formally denies this has occurred but every mainstream secular historian asserts that it has as well as every Protestant historian and a good many Catholic historians too for the simple fact: it did.
Which, isn't surprising given that Catholicism does not claim to rest upon the Bible alone but also upon "tradition" allegedly passed down from the apostles. However, there is absolutely no Catholic tradition which can be traced back to the apostles.
Catholic traditions arose much later than that era and most of them are historically well documented. And many of these traditions passed through many changes even diametrically opposing what Christ taught. Some were modified repeatedly and some simply discarded when they became a political liability.
This idea that the Bible does not have all the truth we need for salvation but must be supplemented by tradition and interpreted by the "Magisterium of the Church" is a purely human fabrication.
Neither the Roman Catholic Church with its magisterium nor its tradition existed during the 2000 years of Old Testament times, and obviously God's Word of that era (which continues today and is larger in volume than the New Testament) had no need of either. We have seen how thoroughly this Catholic idea that the Bible is "insufficient" contradicts what the Bible itself says throughout church history.
Obviously, there's a great deal more to say about this subject and I'm sure that we will in time
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My PhD scientist friends and I are competent to qualify your assertion scientifically. So please submit to us your scientific evidence that quantum mechanics is presently enabling Mary (e.g. a created finite spirit being) to field millions of prayers for biological humans (e.g. created finite biological/spirit beings constrained by our universe's dimension of time) each day for omniscient God. *cricket* *cricket*.
That aside, my statement on Catholic drift is a fact not just an opinion. Present Catholic dogma wildly diverges from that of the early apostolic church. I'm sorry this offends you but it is, in fact, a fact.
Certainly the Catholic Church formally denies this has occurred but every mainstream secular historian asserts that it has as well as every Protestant historian and a good many Catholic historians too for the simple fact: it did.
Which, isn't surprising given that Catholicism does not claim to rest upon the Bible alone but also upon "tradition" allegedly passed down from the apostles. However, there is absolutely no Catholic tradition which can be traced back to the apostles.
Catholic traditions arose much later than that era and most of them are historically well documented. And many of these traditions passed through many changes even diametrically opposing what Christ taught. Some were modified repeatedly and some simply discarded when they became a political liability.
This idea that the Bible does not have all the truth we need for salvation but must be supplemented by tradition and interpreted by the "Magisterium of the Church" is a purely human fabrication.
Neither the Roman Catholic Church with its magisterium nor its tradition existed during the 2000 years of Old Testament times, and obviously God's Word of that era (which continues today and is larger in volume than the New Testament) had no need of either. We have seen how thoroughly this Catholic idea that the Bible is "insufficient" contradicts what the Bible itself says throughout church history.
Obviously, there's a great deal more to say about this subject and I'm sure that we will in time
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Actually, Mary's soul is alive and in heaven with Abraham and with all the rest of the patriarchs and those who received the Holy Spirit called to be saints per election by God before all of creation as God knows all and all things were made for His purpose including you and me and including sister Mary too. Her body has returned to the dust to sleep until Christ returns to resurrect the body at His second coming but her soul is very much alive.
She does not pray for us nor intercede on our behalf it's not her place. Christ is man's only Intercessor and High Priest He lives ever to intercede on our behalf. If people living pray for others here that are living, Christ does the intercession on their behalf to Father from His right side as no one can come to the Father unless it's through Christ Jesus. Mary was the most blessed woman no doubt about that, but angels don't even allow men to worship them and she doesn't either. Worship God is our instruction per scripture.
She does not pray for us nor intercede on our behalf it's not her place. Christ is man's only Intercessor and High Priest He lives ever to intercede on our behalf. If people living pray for others here that are living, Christ does the intercession on their behalf to Father from His right side as no one can come to the Father unless it's through Christ Jesus. Mary was the most blessed woman no doubt about that, but angels don't even allow men to worship them and she doesn't either. Worship God is our instruction per scripture.
Catholic pray to Peter as well.
[h=2]PRAYER TO SAINT PETER[/h]
O glorious Saint Peter, who,in return for thy strong and generous faith,thy profound and sincere humility,and they burning love,wast rewarded by Jesus Christwith singular privileges,and, in particular,with the leadership of the other Apostlesand the primacy of the whole Church,of which thou wast made the foundation stone,do thou obtain for us the grace of a lively faith,that shall not fear to profess itself openly,in its entirety and in all of its manifestations,even to the shedding of blood,if occasion should demand it,and to sacrifice of life itself rather than surrender.Obtain for us likewise,a sincere loyalty to our holy mother, the Church;grant that we may ever remain most closelyand sincerely united to the Roman Pontiff,who is the heir of thy faithand of thy authority,the one, true, visible Head of the Catholic Church,that mystic ark outside of which there is no salvation.Grant, moreover, that we may follow,in all humility and meekness,her teaching and her advice,and may be obedient to all her precepts,in order to be able here on earthto enjoy a peace that is sure and undisturbed,and to attain one day in heaven to everlasting happiness.Amen.
[h=2]PRAYER TO SAINT PETER[/h]
O glorious Saint Peter, who,in return for thy strong and generous faith,thy profound and sincere humility,and they burning love,wast rewarded by Jesus Christwith singular privileges,and, in particular,with the leadership of the other Apostlesand the primacy of the whole Church,of which thou wast made the foundation stone,do thou obtain for us the grace of a lively faith,that shall not fear to profess itself openly,in its entirety and in all of its manifestations,even to the shedding of blood,if occasion should demand it,and to sacrifice of life itself rather than surrender.Obtain for us likewise,a sincere loyalty to our holy mother, the Church;grant that we may ever remain most closelyand sincerely united to the Roman Pontiff,who is the heir of thy faithand of thy authority,the one, true, visible Head of the Catholic Church,that mystic ark outside of which there is no salvation.Grant, moreover, that we may follow,in all humility and meekness,her teaching and her advice,and may be obedient to all her precepts,in order to be able here on earthto enjoy a peace that is sure and undisturbed,and to attain one day in heaven to everlasting happiness.Amen.
Absence of Biblical assertion is the deathknell of any Christian doctrine. You are simply fantacising with no evidence whatsoever. using your methods we could prove anything.
Are you for real, or just ignorant of the facts?
disagreement on minor matters is a sign of good health. Do you really think that all Roman Catholics believe the same? You obviously don't know many.
but many Roman Catholics do believe that and the church does not seek to correct them. Thus it is a valid criticism of Roman Catholicism.
Elizabeth did not know that the baby to be born would be God incarnate. You are distorting the facts. She could not have called Mary the mother of God for that reason alone. She called her 'mother of our lord' i.e. the lord Messiah.
Are you for real, or just ignorant of the facts?
disagreement on minor matters is a sign of good health. Do you really think that all Roman Catholics believe the same? You obviously don't know many.
but many Roman Catholics do believe that and the church does not seek to correct them. Thus it is a valid criticism of Roman Catholicism.
Elizabeth did not know that the baby to be born would be God incarnate. You are distorting the facts. She could not have called Mary the mother of God for that reason alone. She called her 'mother of our lord' i.e. the lord Messiah.
Catholic prayer to st Joseph and believe, Joseph have a great power of protection.
Oh, St. Joseph, whose protection is so great, so strong, so prompt before the throne of God. I place in you all my interests and desires. Oh, St. Joseph, do assist me by your powerful intercession, and obtain for me from your divine Son all spiritual blessings, through Jesus Christ, our Lord. So that, having engaged here below your heavenly power, I may offer my thanksgiving and homage to the most loving of Fathers.
Oh, St. Joseph, I never weary of contemplating you, and Jesus asleep in your arms; I dare not approach while He reposes near your heart. Press Him in my name and kiss His fine head for me and ask him to return the Kiss when I draw my dying breath. St. Joseph, Patron of departing souls - Pray for me.
This prayer was found in the fifteenth year of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. In 1505 it was sent from the Pope to Emperor Charles when he was going into battle. Whoever shall read this prayer or hear it or keep it about themselves, shall never die a sudden death, or be drowned, not shall poison take effect of them; neither shall they fall into the hands of the enemy; or shall be burned in any fire, or shall be overpowered in battle.
Say for nine mornings for anything you may desire. It has never been known to fail, so be sure you really want what you ask.
- See more at: Traditonal Catholic Prayer to St. Joseph
Oh, St. Joseph, whose protection is so great, so strong, so prompt before the throne of God. I place in you all my interests and desires. Oh, St. Joseph, do assist me by your powerful intercession, and obtain for me from your divine Son all spiritual blessings, through Jesus Christ, our Lord. So that, having engaged here below your heavenly power, I may offer my thanksgiving and homage to the most loving of Fathers.
Oh, St. Joseph, I never weary of contemplating you, and Jesus asleep in your arms; I dare not approach while He reposes near your heart. Press Him in my name and kiss His fine head for me and ask him to return the Kiss when I draw my dying breath. St. Joseph, Patron of departing souls - Pray for me.
This prayer was found in the fifteenth year of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. In 1505 it was sent from the Pope to Emperor Charles when he was going into battle. Whoever shall read this prayer or hear it or keep it about themselves, shall never die a sudden death, or be drowned, not shall poison take effect of them; neither shall they fall into the hands of the enemy; or shall be burned in any fire, or shall be overpowered in battle.
Say for nine mornings for anything you may desire. It has never been known to fail, so be sure you really want what you ask.
- See more at: Traditonal Catholic Prayer to St. Joseph
They were not 'suddenly struck to pray for someone in particular'. An event happened in their living experience which concerned them and they prayed about it. That is quite Scriptural and normal.
It tells us nothing about the spirits of people who have died. Besides Mary's spirit was not the mother of Jesus. It was her body that bore Him. His Spirit was of the Godhead, introduced by the Holy Spirit. So she does not hold that position in Heaven. And indeed no one in Heaven has a mother. That is an earthly concept.
It tells us nothing about the spirits of people who have died. Besides Mary's spirit was not the mother of Jesus. It was her body that bore Him. His Spirit was of the Godhead, introduced by the Holy Spirit. So she does not hold that position in Heaven. And indeed no one in Heaven has a mother. That is an earthly concept.
Catholic prayer to st Joseph and believe, Joseph have a great power of protection.
Oh, St. Joseph, whose protection is so great, so strong, so prompt before the throne of God. I place in you all my interests and desires. Oh, St. Joseph, do assist me by your powerful intercession, and obtain for me from your divine Son all spiritual blessings, through Jesus Christ, our Lord. So that, having engaged here below your heavenly power, I may offer my thanksgiving and homage to the most loving of Fathers.
Oh, St. Joseph, I never weary of contemplating you, and Jesus asleep in your arms; I dare not approach while He reposes near your heart. Press Him in my name and kiss His fine head for me and ask him to return the Kiss when I draw my dying breath. St. Joseph, Patron of departing souls - Pray for me.
This prayer was found in the fifteenth year of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. In 1505 it was sent from the Pope to Emperor Charles when he was going into battle. Whoever shall read this prayer or hear it or keep it about themselves, shall never die a sudden death, or be drowned, not shall poison take effect of them; neither shall they fall into the hands of the enemy; or shall be burned in any fire, or shall be overpowered in battle.
Say for nine mornings for anything you may desire. It has never been known to fail, so be sure you really want what you ask.
- See more at: Traditonal Catholic Prayer to St. Joseph
Oh, St. Joseph, whose protection is so great, so strong, so prompt before the throne of God. I place in you all my interests and desires. Oh, St. Joseph, do assist me by your powerful intercession, and obtain for me from your divine Son all spiritual blessings, through Jesus Christ, our Lord. So that, having engaged here below your heavenly power, I may offer my thanksgiving and homage to the most loving of Fathers.
Oh, St. Joseph, I never weary of contemplating you, and Jesus asleep in your arms; I dare not approach while He reposes near your heart. Press Him in my name and kiss His fine head for me and ask him to return the Kiss when I draw my dying breath. St. Joseph, Patron of departing souls - Pray for me.
This prayer was found in the fifteenth year of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. In 1505 it was sent from the Pope to Emperor Charles when he was going into battle. Whoever shall read this prayer or hear it or keep it about themselves, shall never die a sudden death, or be drowned, not shall poison take effect of them; neither shall they fall into the hands of the enemy; or shall be burned in any fire, or shall be overpowered in battle.
Say for nine mornings for anything you may desire. It has never been known to fail, so be sure you really want what you ask.
- See more at: Traditonal Catholic Prayer to St. Joseph
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I have no problem with you countering my argument with factual evidence (something you have yet to successfully accomplish). What I do have a problem with is your negative behavior with respect to what I've said. You're engaging in ad hominem in calling me ignorant about the facts (which I clearly am not) and falsely accusing me of "distorting the facts" (which I clearly have not) and that is against the forum rules. Please make a note of it because if you continue to fabricate lies about my posts, while failing to provide any genuine evidence to support your own position, I'm going to report you to the forum moderators for it.
Beyond that, I'll answer your questions. No, I don't believe all Catholics believe the same. There wouldn't be an East West schism if that were true nor differing Eastern Orthodox Catholic Churches which differ from smaller Catholic Churches such as the Old Catholic Church. However each of the various Catholic churches adhere to an epistemological body they consider authoritative which can be qualified to see where it is true or not and whether or not their interpretations of it are true or not.
This is separate from what you personally may or not believe or how closely you adhere to what the church you claim to belong to actually may or not believe. Which is why the discussion is about the heresy in Catholicism and not about the theology of valiant (whatever that is).
And, of course I support reform in the Catholic Churches. The Catholic Church is not my enemy. Catholics are not my enemies. I have family members and friends whom are Catholic. I want to see Catholicism reformed. Honestly, I'm glad that you do too.
Finally, I'm not sure what your point is here. Yes, Mary was the natural human mother of our Lord Jesus Christ. This does not make Mary a god, God, divine, or anything other than a created human being whom God chose to be the natural human mother of our Lord Jesus Christ which all by itself is quite an honor... Joseph too though, of course, his relationship was that of a surrogate natural human father.
Beyond that, I'll answer your questions. No, I don't believe all Catholics believe the same. There wouldn't be an East West schism if that were true nor differing Eastern Orthodox Catholic Churches which differ from smaller Catholic Churches such as the Old Catholic Church. However each of the various Catholic churches adhere to an epistemological body they consider authoritative which can be qualified to see where it is true or not and whether or not their interpretations of it are true or not.
This is separate from what you personally may or not believe or how closely you adhere to what the church you claim to belong to actually may or not believe. Which is why the discussion is about the heresy in Catholicism and not about the theology of valiant (whatever that is).
And, of course I support reform in the Catholic Churches. The Catholic Church is not my enemy. Catholics are not my enemies. I have family members and friends whom are Catholic. I want to see Catholicism reformed. Honestly, I'm glad that you do too.
Finally, I'm not sure what your point is here. Yes, Mary was the natural human mother of our Lord Jesus Christ. This does not make Mary a god, God, divine, or anything other than a created human being whom God chose to be the natural human mother of our Lord Jesus Christ which all by itself is quite an honor... Joseph too though, of course, his relationship was that of a surrogate natural human father.
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part from the above site: (and many other verifications over a thousand years) >>
"Today, the United States is run and controlled by its most dedicated enemies. If you wonder at the things the government and the people in control of the government do that are so damaging to the United States, it is because they are our enemies and are determined to destroy the United States. Treason is running rampant throughout all levels and branches of the U.S. government today.
A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banners openly against the city. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. — Marcus Cicero, speaking to Caesar, Crassus, Pompey and the Roman Senate."
"The Vatican’s Holocaust, describes in detail the papacy’s continuing slaughter of millions of Christians in the 20th century. At the time of this writing, the complete text of The Vatican’s Holocaust is available on the internet for downloading at:
The Vatican'
The slaughter in Bosnia, Kosovo, Serbia, Croatia and others is a direct result of the Vatican’s involvement in this area, but you will never hear about it"
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THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
the power and the abomination of the beast is far beyond your ability to think, ageofUNknowledge --- you are either blind, or worse.
part from the above site: (and many other verifications over a thousand years) >>
"Today, the United States is run and controlled by its most dedicated enemies. If you wonder at the things the government and the people in control of the government do that are so damaging to the United States, it is because they are our enemies and are determined to destroy the United States. Treason is running rampant throughout all levels and branches of the U.S. government today.
A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banners openly against the city. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. — Marcus Cicero, speaking to Caesar, Crassus, Pompey and the Roman Senate."