Hey now Jeff_56, we have to know what they believe to show them the error behind the doctrine.
Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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AgeofKnowledge
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I've been away from this thread for awhile but it looks like it needs a toning down. Love your new avatar Thomist.
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I've never met a religious bully Jeff that didn't claim to be parroting God. Atheist bullies don't bother, of course, though they're at least as bad if not worse.
So let's deconstruct your false assertion. You claim that "it is directly against HIS WORD to try to sort it out or study it..." I'll assume by "it" you mean anything other than what you personally believe and specifically with respect to this thread modern Catholicism.
Firstly, the discipline that deals with a rational defense of the Christian Faith is called apologetics. It comes from the Greek word apologia (cf. 1 Peter 3:15) which means to give a reason or defense.
Apologia is clearly demonstrated in the Bible by biblical authors. I'll list a few examples:
1. The first chapter of Genesis confronts the mythical accounts of creation known in that day.
2. Moses’ miracles in Egypt were an apologetic that God was speaking through him (Ex. 4:1-9).
3. Elijah did apologetics on Mt. Carmel when he proved miraculously that Yahweh is the true God, not Baal (1 Kings 18).
4. Jesus was constantly engaged in apologetics, proving by signs and wonders that He was the Son of God (John 3:2; Acts 2:22) as well as refuting the Pharisees and other off-track sects.
5. The Apostle Paul did apologetics at Lystra when he gave evidence from nature to the heathen that the supreme God of the universe existed and that idolatry was wrong (Acts 14).
6. The classic case of apologetics in the NT is Acts 17 where Paul reasoned with the philosophers on Mars Hill. He not only presented evidence from nature that God existed but also from history that Christ was the Son of God. Indeed, he cited pagan thinkers in support of his arguments.
Etc... want me to keep going?
Christianity is not just a true worldview but it's a reasonable one as well and the Bible demonstrates to us that we should give reasons for it. You may find it interesting that Jesus Christ and the apostles were doing so before the New Testament was ever written. Furthermore, New Testament authors like Paul and John studied pagan Greco-Roman philosophy so well that they were able to speak to their audience in their own language establishing Christianity as the fastest growing religion in the Greco-Roman world which, of course, it ultimately conquered. Let that sink in for a minute...
There's no benefit in ignorance friend. Understanding one's audience and worldview is a real benefit to evangelizing them, refuting their false worldviews, and in the case of sects... correcting them. As C. S. Lewis once said:
"To be ignorant and simple now--not to be able to meet the enemies on their ground--would be to throw down our weapons, and to betray our uneducated brethren who have, under God, no defense but us against the intellectual attacks of the heathen. Good philosophy must exist, if for no other reason, because bad philosophy needs to be answered."
The reason we need to defend the true religion is because there are false religions. The reason we need to stand for authentic Christianity is that there are counterfeit forms of Christianity.
And in those counterfeit forms, for many reasons, saved Christians can exist. ThomistColin is one of them and when you mistreat him in your religious fervor, according to GOD'S WORD (e.g. "HIS WORD"), you mistreat Jesus Christ Himself.
This is true whether or not you think about it or just dismiss it and continue raging unrestrainedly as, of course, is your habit.
So let's deconstruct your false assertion. You claim that "it is directly against HIS WORD to try to sort it out or study it..." I'll assume by "it" you mean anything other than what you personally believe and specifically with respect to this thread modern Catholicism.
Firstly, the discipline that deals with a rational defense of the Christian Faith is called apologetics. It comes from the Greek word apologia (cf. 1 Peter 3:15) which means to give a reason or defense.
Apologia is clearly demonstrated in the Bible by biblical authors. I'll list a few examples:
1. The first chapter of Genesis confronts the mythical accounts of creation known in that day.
2. Moses’ miracles in Egypt were an apologetic that God was speaking through him (Ex. 4:1-9).
3. Elijah did apologetics on Mt. Carmel when he proved miraculously that Yahweh is the true God, not Baal (1 Kings 18).
4. Jesus was constantly engaged in apologetics, proving by signs and wonders that He was the Son of God (John 3:2; Acts 2:22) as well as refuting the Pharisees and other off-track sects.
5. The Apostle Paul did apologetics at Lystra when he gave evidence from nature to the heathen that the supreme God of the universe existed and that idolatry was wrong (Acts 14).
6. The classic case of apologetics in the NT is Acts 17 where Paul reasoned with the philosophers on Mars Hill. He not only presented evidence from nature that God existed but also from history that Christ was the Son of God. Indeed, he cited pagan thinkers in support of his arguments.
Etc... want me to keep going?
Christianity is not just a true worldview but it's a reasonable one as well and the Bible demonstrates to us that we should give reasons for it. You may find it interesting that Jesus Christ and the apostles were doing so before the New Testament was ever written. Furthermore, New Testament authors like Paul and John studied pagan Greco-Roman philosophy so well that they were able to speak to their audience in their own language establishing Christianity as the fastest growing religion in the Greco-Roman world which, of course, it ultimately conquered. Let that sink in for a minute...
There's no benefit in ignorance friend. Understanding one's audience and worldview is a real benefit to evangelizing them, refuting their false worldviews, and in the case of sects... correcting them. As C. S. Lewis once said:
"To be ignorant and simple now--not to be able to meet the enemies on their ground--would be to throw down our weapons, and to betray our uneducated brethren who have, under God, no defense but us against the intellectual attacks of the heathen. Good philosophy must exist, if for no other reason, because bad philosophy needs to be answered."
The reason we need to defend the true religion is because there are false religions. The reason we need to stand for authentic Christianity is that there are counterfeit forms of Christianity.
And in those counterfeit forms, for many reasons, saved Christians can exist. ThomistColin is one of them and when you mistreat him in your religious fervor, according to GOD'S WORD (e.g. "HIS WORD"), you mistreat Jesus Christ Himself.
This is true whether or not you think about it or just dismiss it and continue raging unrestrainedly as, of course, is your habit.
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AgeofKnowledge
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You make a valid point. Jesus Christ is God and, as God incarnate, possesses supernatural extra-dimensional powers that no one else has ever had. This is empirically observable in this life but biblically demonstrable for all others who have already died physically. Furthermore, this extra-dimensionality facilitates many other biblical assertions as well such as the following:
Even if the Catholic assertion were true, which it isn't, as a finite spiritual being Mary would not be able to field so many requests.
Even angels can't do this being limited in their knowledge of things (Mark 13:32); inferior to God and not omnipresent like God (Daniel 10:10-14); not all-powerful (2 Peter 2:11; Revelation 12:7; Daniel 10:3), etc...
God can, but no one else can including angels.
Even if the Catholic assertion were true, which it isn't, as a finite spiritual being Mary would not be able to field so many requests.
Even angels can't do this being limited in their knowledge of things (Mark 13:32); inferior to God and not omnipresent like God (Daniel 10:10-14); not all-powerful (2 Peter 2:11; Revelation 12:7; Daniel 10:3), etc...
God can, but no one else can including angels.
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You set limits on god that even science does not regard as limits ( or at least real science, not the rantings of Dawkins)
Telepathy for example is real. The mental connection of people on demand. Demonstrated beyond statistical doubt. For a bit of fun check out the Nolan sisters experiment conducted by the very serious scientist Sheldrake on youtube, an experiment he used to bring a very serious scientific issue into wider public domain. A very serious professor of statistics in the US took all the federal telepathy experimentation data and confirmed the significance is undeniably there in the results. Since a Nolan sister can call out to another across space,why deny this to Mary?
In quantum physics effects precede causes, and no end of paradoxes occur from trying to constrain time as a simple continuum - the best that scientists can come up with as a mind game to dodge such as Schrödinger's cat is the presumption of infinite universes selected on observation, which in reality says the mental grasp of the concept of time by humans is an inadequate model.
Humans impose their own world view on nature, arbitrarily defining the supernatural as things they dislike - particularly Dawkins who refuses for example a serious debate on evidence with Sheldrake because it offends Dawkins world view of life as a biochemical machine, so consciousness confined to region of the nervous system.
The point is you do not know what angels or human souls can do, only the parts revealed in the bible which is not all of truth.
Telepathy for example is real. The mental connection of people on demand. Demonstrated beyond statistical doubt. For a bit of fun check out the Nolan sisters experiment conducted by the very serious scientist Sheldrake on youtube, an experiment he used to bring a very serious scientific issue into wider public domain. A very serious professor of statistics in the US took all the federal telepathy experimentation data and confirmed the significance is undeniably there in the results. Since a Nolan sister can call out to another across space,why deny this to Mary?
In quantum physics effects precede causes, and no end of paradoxes occur from trying to constrain time as a simple continuum - the best that scientists can come up with as a mind game to dodge such as Schrödinger's cat is the presumption of infinite universes selected on observation, which in reality says the mental grasp of the concept of time by humans is an inadequate model.
Humans impose their own world view on nature, arbitrarily defining the supernatural as things they dislike - particularly Dawkins who refuses for example a serious debate on evidence with Sheldrake because it offends Dawkins world view of life as a biochemical machine, so consciousness confined to region of the nervous system.
The point is you do not know what angels or human souls can do, only the parts revealed in the bible which is not all of truth.
You make a valid point. Jesus Christ is God and, as God incarnate, possesses supernatural extra-dimensional powers that no one else has ever had. This is empirically observable in this life but biblically demonstrable for all others who have already died physically. Furthermore, this extra-dimensionality facilitates many other biblical assertions as well such as the following:
Even if the Catholic assertion were true, which it isn't, as a finite spiritual being Mary would not be able to field so many requests.
Even angels can't do this being limited in their knowledge of things (Mark 13:32); inferior to God and not omnipresent like God (Daniel 10:10-14); not all-powerful (2 Peter 2:11; Revelation 12:7; Daniel 10:3), etc...
God can, but no one else can including angels.
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Personally, I view it as similar to when God places someone on my heart to pray for. This phenomenon has happened throughout time, that there is a sudden need to pray for someone particularly.
I think this same phenomenon continues in Heaven. I do not believe Mary hears my prayer, nor any of the saints, but that suddenly they feel God's call for their prayers before His throne on our behalf. God knows and hears our prayer and also calls upon His children to pray for others. To me, this is the communion of the saints, that through God we are connected as One Family in God, from the Church Militant, to the Church Suffering, to the Church Triumphant.
I think this same phenomenon continues in Heaven. I do not believe Mary hears my prayer, nor any of the saints, but that suddenly they feel God's call for their prayers before His throne on our behalf. God knows and hears our prayer and also calls upon His children to pray for others. To me, this is the communion of the saints, that through God we are connected as One Family in God, from the Church Militant, to the Church Suffering, to the Church Triumphant.
no. it's always been known. since they started they have killed the Jews and gentile believers. Anyone who won't submit to it, they kill.
to study it is to study evil. complete corruption. destitute of any truth.
to study it is to disobey yahweh's word - not to study and not to take on any foreign gods.
those who think it is in any way even tolerable is deceived. they don't know what they're talking about.
they think satan's ways are okay.
that is a lie --- nothing of satan is okay. stick with scripture.
they totally corrupt scripture. they trample it. they dismiss it (right here on this thread, and forum, they simply disgard GOD'S WORD as if it is nothing.
you don't have to know anything about satan to know it is your enemy.
you don't have to know anything about plague to know it is your enemy.
you don't have to know anything about buddhism to know it is your enemy.
to study it is to study evil. complete corruption. destitute of any truth.
to study it is to disobey yahweh's word - not to study and not to take on any foreign gods.
those who think it is in any way even tolerable is deceived. they don't know what they're talking about.
they think satan's ways are okay.
that is a lie --- nothing of satan is okay. stick with scripture.
they totally corrupt scripture. they trample it. they dismiss it (right here on this thread, and forum, they simply disgard GOD'S WORD as if it is nothing.
you don't have to know anything about satan to know it is your enemy.
you don't have to know anything about plague to know it is your enemy.
you don't have to know anything about buddhism to know it is your enemy.
remember it is the beast, it is hasatan itself, demons and doctrines of demons,
not just ideas of men or of mice. very real, very devastating consequences just in studying rcc --
yahweh's curse is upon them and upon any who approve of them or condone them or study as if to approve them.
yahweh is against them. period. yahweh's decree. his WORD is sure and true. he is faithful.
not just ideas of men or of mice. very real, very devastating consequences just in studying rcc --
yahweh's curse is upon them and upon any who approve of them or condone them or study as if to approve them.
yahweh is against them. period. yahweh's decree. his WORD is sure and true. he is faithful.
The only virgin with child who was Mary was the one mentioned in Matt 1.18 ff. Luke 1-2; Is 7.14.
The woman in Jer 31.22 was 'a faithless daughter' and is called 'the virgin Israel'. It is the virgin Israel who is the woman who will protect her offspring 'a woman protects a man'. And it is she who is spoken of in Rev 12.
So as usual you want to manipulate Scripture so as to try to prove your point
You will be wanting to see her as the virgin daughter of Babylon next
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Just because a Catholic says they are a Christian does not mean they are a True Christian! There are many false Brothers in the World, bringing in many heresies to deceive the True Christians.
2 Corinthians 11:12-15
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And what I am doing I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
Many, many Catholics are servants of Satan doing his will and not the will of God!
Galatians 2:4-5
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Yet because of false brothers secretly brought in—who slipped in to spy out our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, so that they might bring us into slavery—
[SUP]5 [/SUP] to them we did not yield in submission even for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you.
2 Peter 2:1-3
[SUP]1 [/SUP] But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
Even Peter warned us about false brothers who do not follow God but instead follow Satan!
Therefore just because a person says they are a True Christian does not mean they are a True Christian. I know for a fact that many Catholics have not accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and are deceiving many into believing that they are Christians!
Beware the Catholics in the Catholic Church for many see nothing wrong with lying to you to deceive you into accepting them as brothers in Christ!
2 Corinthians 11:12-15
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And what I am doing I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
Many, many Catholics are servants of Satan doing his will and not the will of God!
Galatians 2:4-5
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Yet because of false brothers secretly brought in—who slipped in to spy out our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, so that they might bring us into slavery—
[SUP]5 [/SUP] to them we did not yield in submission even for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you.
2 Peter 2:1-3
[SUP]1 [/SUP] But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
Even Peter warned us about false brothers who do not follow God but instead follow Satan!
Therefore just because a person says they are a True Christian does not mean they are a True Christian. I know for a fact that many Catholics have not accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and are deceiving many into believing that they are Christians!
Beware the Catholics in the Catholic Church for many see nothing wrong with lying to you to deceive you into accepting them as brothers in Christ!
when Mary and her younger sons came to try to take Jesus out of the crowds who were surrounding Him, He ignored her request to come out to speak to her and pointed out that His true mother were those who heard the word of God and kept it. It was quite clear that He saw her as trying to interfere with His ministry and would have none of it (Mark 3.21, 3-35).
I recognise that Roman Catholicism in its attempt to glorify Mary try to avoid the clear implication of Scripture. But it is written loud and clear by someone who was actually sympathetic towards Mary and her younger sons..
At that stage she certainly failed to appreciate Jesus.
She had also failed to appreciate Him in Luke 2.48-49. But at least that was more excusable.
Scripture makes clear that Mary did not know how to handle what Jesus was. She felt He was on the wrong track.
As Jesus said to the woman who cried out, 'blessed is the womb that bare you and the paps at which you suckled. His reply was 'blessed RATHER are those who hear the word of God and keep it'. There was no favouritism for Mary there.
Who is spouting nonsense? Well as you ask the answer is YOU.
Your accusation that I have spit in the face of Jesus' mother is a typical Roman Catholic over-exaggeration. If you can't win your argument make accusations, is the Roman Catholic way. I admire Mary as a good woman who was obedient to God, and who in the end came to know the truth and served Christ as her Master faithfully. But no one who is honest can deny that she failed for a long time to fully appreciate Jesus and even tried to interfere with His minstry.
How can Mary pray for anyone when she is dead and in the grave? The dead hear nothing! The dead can do nothing! Therefore to say that somehow Mary can pray for you even though she is in the grave shows you really have not studied the Word of God!
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
Clearly this passage shows that when we die we are dead and in the grave. How can the dead in Christ rise if they are already in Heaven? The dead in Christ are in their graves here on the Earth not in Heaven!
Therefore Mary is in the grave and cannot hear us and cannot pray for us. This is why Catholics are NOT Christians!
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
Clearly this passage shows that when we die we are dead and in the grave. How can the dead in Christ rise if they are already in Heaven? The dead in Christ are in their graves here on the Earth not in Heaven!
Therefore Mary is in the grave and cannot hear us and cannot pray for us. This is why Catholics are NOT Christians!
Mary is dead. Mary does NOT pray for us. Mary does NOT intercede to Jesus on our behalf..JESUS INTERCEDES FOR US.. not Mary.. and Mary is not, and was not a saint. Mary is NOT to be worshipped or revered or prayed to..
Mary's mortal body is dead and in the grave, but her immortal human spirit, as well as the immortal spirits of all believers, are not dead and in the grave.
Jesus showed that the human spirit is immortal when he stated that since God is the God of the living, and God told Moses 400 years after Abraham's death that he is (present tense) the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob, then Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have to be living.
Their mortal bodies are not living, but their immortal human spirits are living, and will be rejoined
to their new, immortal and glorified bodies at the final resurrection.
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I agree with you on every point except for the part of saying she is not a Saint.
A Saint is anybody who does the will of God in their life, and is highly regarded in that servitude to Him.
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AgeofKnowledge
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You missed the point. No one is setting any limits on God. That's a false assertion. Rather, the Bible states that God has set limits on the beings He created. Created beings are finite.
Now there is no "science" that "proves" a human being can hear millions of prayers a day and then intercede each one of them to God "telepathically."
What you're referring to is parapsychology which is the study of psychic phenomena including extrasensory perception (ESP) among other things. ESP is data received through means other than the customary channels of information.
As stated in 'The Kingdom of the Occult,' in any study of Psi phenomena an important distinction must be made between normal ESP and occult ESP. Scripture, human experience, and occultic influence distinguish these. Here's a chart Christian researchers, including Dr. Walter Martin, created to explain this:
The term normal ESP can be used to describe experiences many people have had such as when a loved one seems to know an accident or even a death has occurred, and when the facts are investigated, this knowledge is found to be correct-without any communication between the parties involved. This is normal ESP, since it occurs commonly in most people.
It's important to note; however, that normal ESP comes without invitation or seeking. In contrast, when people deliberately try to access ESP, they trespass willingly into the world of the occult, attempting to acquire power over an unexplainable phenomenon. Quite often, intentional exploration of paranormal power or experiences opens the heart and mind to the occult.
Normal ESP is the ability to know of an event while it is in process, a telepathic capacity to access information simultaneously present in another person's mind. This normal form of ESP has nothing to do with the occult. It is a latent sense often referred to as a sixth sense or intuition, more developed in some people but most likely present in all. The Bible suggests this function is restored upon physical death; however, the Bible also asserts it's subject to clear finite boundaries which isn't surprising as the Bible asserts the abilities of created beings are finite.
Supernatural knowledge comes from three sources: Holy creator God, a natural spontaneous link to a human mind which sometimes forms, or a link to the mind of an interdimensional being the bible identifies as a demon.
This is a crucial difference that can be determined through research and confrontation (and with respect to the occult conducted in the name and power of Jesus Christ for demons are subject to the name of Jesus; they must obey a directive given to them in His name however reluctantly). Interestingly, this command can be given by nonbelievers, but by doing so they place themselves in a dangerous position, similar to the sons of Sceva in the book of Acts.
Normal ESP will usually manifest itself in telepathy (e.g. the ability to access knowledge of an idea or event while it is in process. This knowledge has no connection whatsoever with the occult or with religion).
Numerous universities, private organizations, and military programs have studied both normal ESP and delved into occult practices such as 'rear viewing' and psychokinesis (the latter resulted in demonic oppression and possession of the principles involved including the military officers participating in 'rear viewing' research).
For example, the experiments of Princeton researcher Dr. Robert Jahn and his Princeton (PEAR) staff appear to support the existence of some type of normal ESP based on lab trials with a key element distinguishing normal ESP from occult ESP being the source of the knowledge.
In no case, whether natural ESP or occult ESP, was anyone in any of these program studies ever able to receive a multitude of communications in parallel. Never.
Even though created beings (e.g. humans, angels, and demons) have the ability to communicate extra-dimensionality, this is finite. No created being has the ability to receive countless millions of petitions and intercede for them to God.
In addition to the teaching being biblically false and the temporary realm of the occult aside (as that's ultimately going to be completely destroyed forever); the existence of normal ESP in this life, the exponential possibilities for ESP outside of this life with respect to finite created beings, and God's ability to communicate with finite created beings in no way equates to the finite created being Mary being able to telepathically receive billions of prayers and then personally intercede for each one of them.
This is true both inside the time dimension of this universe or acting outside of it as a finite created spirit being dependent on what's occurring in the context of the time dimension of this universe.
Your assertion is biblically and scientifically false.
Now there is no "science" that "proves" a human being can hear millions of prayers a day and then intercede each one of them to God "telepathically."
What you're referring to is parapsychology which is the study of psychic phenomena including extrasensory perception (ESP) among other things. ESP is data received through means other than the customary channels of information.
As stated in 'The Kingdom of the Occult,' in any study of Psi phenomena an important distinction must be made between normal ESP and occult ESP. Scripture, human experience, and occultic influence distinguish these. Here's a chart Christian researchers, including Dr. Walter Martin, created to explain this:
The term normal ESP can be used to describe experiences many people have had such as when a loved one seems to know an accident or even a death has occurred, and when the facts are investigated, this knowledge is found to be correct-without any communication between the parties involved. This is normal ESP, since it occurs commonly in most people.
It's important to note; however, that normal ESP comes without invitation or seeking. In contrast, when people deliberately try to access ESP, they trespass willingly into the world of the occult, attempting to acquire power over an unexplainable phenomenon. Quite often, intentional exploration of paranormal power or experiences opens the heart and mind to the occult.
Normal ESP is the ability to know of an event while it is in process, a telepathic capacity to access information simultaneously present in another person's mind. This normal form of ESP has nothing to do with the occult. It is a latent sense often referred to as a sixth sense or intuition, more developed in some people but most likely present in all. The Bible suggests this function is restored upon physical death; however, the Bible also asserts it's subject to clear finite boundaries which isn't surprising as the Bible asserts the abilities of created beings are finite.
Supernatural knowledge comes from three sources: Holy creator God, a natural spontaneous link to a human mind which sometimes forms, or a link to the mind of an interdimensional being the bible identifies as a demon.
This is a crucial difference that can be determined through research and confrontation (and with respect to the occult conducted in the name and power of Jesus Christ for demons are subject to the name of Jesus; they must obey a directive given to them in His name however reluctantly). Interestingly, this command can be given by nonbelievers, but by doing so they place themselves in a dangerous position, similar to the sons of Sceva in the book of Acts.
Normal ESP will usually manifest itself in telepathy (e.g. the ability to access knowledge of an idea or event while it is in process. This knowledge has no connection whatsoever with the occult or with religion).
Numerous universities, private organizations, and military programs have studied both normal ESP and delved into occult practices such as 'rear viewing' and psychokinesis (the latter resulted in demonic oppression and possession of the principles involved including the military officers participating in 'rear viewing' research).
For example, the experiments of Princeton researcher Dr. Robert Jahn and his Princeton (PEAR) staff appear to support the existence of some type of normal ESP based on lab trials with a key element distinguishing normal ESP from occult ESP being the source of the knowledge.
In no case, whether natural ESP or occult ESP, was anyone in any of these program studies ever able to receive a multitude of communications in parallel. Never.
Even though created beings (e.g. humans, angels, and demons) have the ability to communicate extra-dimensionality, this is finite. No created being has the ability to receive countless millions of petitions and intercede for them to God.
In addition to the teaching being biblically false and the temporary realm of the occult aside (as that's ultimately going to be completely destroyed forever); the existence of normal ESP in this life, the exponential possibilities for ESP outside of this life with respect to finite created beings, and God's ability to communicate with finite created beings in no way equates to the finite created being Mary being able to telepathically receive billions of prayers and then personally intercede for each one of them.
This is true both inside the time dimension of this universe or acting outside of it as a finite created spirit being dependent on what's occurring in the context of the time dimension of this universe.
Your assertion is biblically and scientifically false.
This brings out an important point and that is that Mary's spirit is not the mother of Jesus. His Spirit came through the activity of the Holy Spirit. She was only the mother of His human body.
Yes, no human being is the mother of any other human being's spirit.
The spiritual is not begotten by the physical, or in the natural, order.
But Mary is the mother of his body.
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yahweh says even better for true believers, yes, even better: (rcc is absolutely excluded as a system)
1 John 3 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
3 See what love the Father has lavished on us in letting us be called YAHWEH’S (GOD'S) children!
and elsewhere some translations may call believers saints, yes.
but the definition by the abomination of fornicators is not the same as GOD'S.
nothing the rcc(Yahweh calls heresy// as does of the op of this thread and site)
says is true. nothing. what proceeds from the demons is demonic --
in the sense that
even the demons cried out in terror:<> Yahshua did you come to torment us! ?
in that sense the rcc might also cry out in terror, for their judgment is absolute, final, and certain.
(as a system; some few individuals are saved from it, by grace alone)
1 John 3 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
3 See what love the Father has lavished on us in letting us be called YAHWEH’S (GOD'S) children!
and elsewhere some translations may call believers saints, yes.
but the definition by the abomination of fornicators is not the same as GOD'S.
nothing the rcc(Yahweh calls heresy// as does of the op of this thread and site)
says is true. nothing. what proceeds from the demons is demonic --
in the sense that
even the demons cried out in terror:<> Yahshua did you come to torment us! ?
in that sense the rcc might also cry out in terror, for their judgment is absolute, final, and certain.
(as a system; some few individuals are saved from it, by grace alone)