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Most people afford it by going into debt or someone else is generous enough to gamble with their money 
The testimony of those I have heard showed me God intervened in giving them "wine" when that lacked or a bigger place they could not have paid but, when they are getting bored, eroded in childish discussion (not too old or sick) they got divorced.
When I was a child I saw many lesson those connections erode or changed (and I was shoked at).
A perfect wedding is one that endures all. I have seen few and, the sadest thing in world it is they have to die and experience loniliness when they painstakingly learned to be one for more than 20 years (+ with the rejection or ignoring of their kids). I have seen that too, and I think it isn´t fair.
I´m sure, my lifetime, I won´t contradict what I learned from others.
Thanks for teaching me on this thread a good decision a couple made to be one.
@Jamie
"Note: I use the second person a lot (addressing "you") but it's really generic - I'm not insinuating you don't know this or that, or anyone else."
Good morning, Jamie!
I know ithat, Jamie and most of the time, when I wrote, I prefered to use "me" assuming personal responsibility in whatever odd thing I might have said, not only on this thread (that I´m getting derailed by these interesting and friendly conversations)
I can be fuzzy or drifting, but people here may feel "I" need another place to write or share about.
PS
"Sure: "...beliefs and ideas play a huge factor in friction between couples""
also between good friends.
"Note: I use the second person a lot (addressing "you") but it's really generic - I'm not insinuating you don't know this or that, or anyone else."
Good morning, Jamie!
I know ithat, Jamie and most of the time, when I wrote, I prefered to use "me" assuming personal responsibility in whatever odd thing I might have said, not only on this thread (that I´m getting derailed by these interesting and friendly conversations)
I can be fuzzy or drifting, but people here may feel "I" need another place to write or share about.
PS
"Sure: "...beliefs and ideas play a huge factor in friction between couples""
also between good friends.
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Excellent thoughst, Jamie:
"It seems zealous, religious-minded folks sometimes have a hard time even with St. Paul and his practical advice (albeit broad). As a Christian, with a Christian, growing up with this concept of sin can cause you to focus far more on your spouse's wrongs than rights. Because all your Christian walk, you're more preoccupied with avoiding this, and avoiding that, and so living with someone, a stumble is probably what's going to catch your attention more than kindness and affection. "
A perfect wedding?
(Just trying to get these ideas on the thread)
A perfect marriage is one where BOTH mates are focused on their spouse´s rights and needs. (Good! I like your thought).
"We" often tend to see the wrongs instead of their possitive side of these human beings "we" married.
When I was a child I watche a TV program where the man giving a couple some councelling, asked: "Why do you want to be dicorced". The man said: "She´s used to squeeze the tooth paste the wrong way" and "I´m upset of correcting such a mistake"
I was shoked at that and I thought: "Is that a reason to be divorced?" (I was a teen, those days)
When I got married, and lived that part out (as if I was that actor on the movie I watched) I personnaly learned what a perfect marriage (not a wedding) could be.
She was used to leave the tooth paste this way... I decided to have mine (which I bought and put away) but she insisted on doing the same each time she had the chance (invading what I thought it was my privacy or space).
Ha! Ha! What a lesson I learned on that tiny thing!
Ha! Ha!
For me, a perfect wedding (and marriage) is that we BOTH partners give themselves room enough, an space where both can live and enjoy THE PREVELIGE of living toguether as ONE, not in separated rooms or split beds.
(If that be needed, I hope it be enjoyed this way)
and not this way:
"It seems zealous, religious-minded folks sometimes have a hard time even with St. Paul and his practical advice (albeit broad). As a Christian, with a Christian, growing up with this concept of sin can cause you to focus far more on your spouse's wrongs than rights. Because all your Christian walk, you're more preoccupied with avoiding this, and avoiding that, and so living with someone, a stumble is probably what's going to catch your attention more than kindness and affection. "
A perfect wedding?
(Just trying to get these ideas on the thread)
A perfect marriage is one where BOTH mates are focused on their spouse´s rights and needs. (Good! I like your thought).
"We" often tend to see the wrongs instead of their possitive side of these human beings "we" married.
When I was a child I watche a TV program where the man giving a couple some councelling, asked: "Why do you want to be dicorced". The man said: "She´s used to squeeze the tooth paste the wrong way" and "I´m upset of correcting such a mistake"
I was shoked at that and I thought: "Is that a reason to be divorced?" (I was a teen, those days)
When I got married, and lived that part out (as if I was that actor on the movie I watched) I personnaly learned what a perfect marriage (not a wedding) could be.
She was used to leave the tooth paste this way... I decided to have mine (which I bought and put away) but she insisted on doing the same each time she had the chance (invading what I thought it was my privacy or space).
Ha! Ha!
What a lesson I learned on that tiny thing! Ha! Ha!
For me, a perfect wedding (and marriage) is that we BOTH partners give themselves room enough, an space where both can live and enjoy THE PREVELIGE of living toguether as ONE, not in separated rooms or split beds.
(If that be needed, I hope it be enjoyed this way)
and not this way:
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Absolutelly!
"...You need to know the person's habits, tendencies to beliefs, daily living, etc before you get married. It's one thing to trust God - it's another thing to neglect one's own ability to gather information, trusting God to catch you when you jump, because He can."
The wedding is not as important as choosing the mate well.
"...You need to know the person's habits, tendencies to beliefs, daily living, etc before you get married. It's one thing to trust God - it's another thing to neglect one's own ability to gather information, trusting God to catch you when you jump, because He can."
The wedding is not as important as choosing the mate well.
Thank you for telling us this:
"I met a woman online, very early in my Christian walk. She was an older lady, really nice. She was on husband #3, and it became apparent to me that she depended on a man to feel complete. But she talked about the fights she was having with #3. They had different ideas on manners, and how his children should act (she had children as well). And he should just know that child is rude - he's a Christian, right? He should know not to let his son speak disrespectfully to his wife - he's a Christian, right? And she also talked about how they went to different churches, he refused to go to hers, and the people at his church, she said, sympathized with him and the separation they were thinking about. She admitted they moved very fast. And I admit I only have her side. But that's just it - going into a marriage with someone with the same name on their faith isn't wise if you don't know all the details of what they believe... and that includes day to day living."
"I met a woman online, very early in my Christian walk. She was an older lady, really nice. She was on husband #3, and it became apparent to me that she depended on a man to feel complete. But she talked about the fights she was having with #3. They had different ideas on manners, and how his children should act (she had children as well). And he should just know that child is rude - he's a Christian, right? He should know not to let his son speak disrespectfully to his wife - he's a Christian, right? And she also talked about how they went to different churches, he refused to go to hers, and the people at his church, she said, sympathized with him and the separation they were thinking about. She admitted they moved very fast. And I admit I only have her side. But that's just it - going into a marriage with someone with the same name on their faith isn't wise if you don't know all the details of what they believe... and that includes day to day living."
I knew one who wanted an attendance of 200 guests... If I knew a person like this (botaratas) no matter what I felt for her: I would run, run away.
Are persons aware of the costs of money? The toils a man has to do to bring home food and those things?
I´m glad some ladies worked but, the chores of the home are to be equally shared (even the changing of dirty diapers).
I have done it, my time with my kids, and I´m a proud "mom" too.
Uff!
"...Catholics focus more on ritual and liturgical experience. (They do not believe their rituals save them, contrary to popular, and sometimes knowingly repeated misconcception.)"
In general, some believe it and some disbelieved it (no absolutes on this, too)
I´m spending hours, daily, with one of my Catholic friends (in working with the wood for his new ceiling) and he truelly believes on rituals and in that liturgical experience, daily.
He is legally divorced and still thinks (believes) his "wife" would come back, because Jesus told him so... I had no choice to believe he belives that, becasue he has 5 years waiting for her to come and I know he prays hard, and daily for her to come.
Me and her mom are aware of some "risks"... and he is also AWARE he made things wrong to be screwed up and alone, this long time.
"...Catholics focus more on ritual and liturgical experience. (They do not believe their rituals save them, contrary to popular, and sometimes knowingly repeated misconcception.)"
In general, some believe it and some disbelieved it (no absolutes on this, too)
I´m spending hours, daily, with one of my Catholic friends (in working with the wood for his new ceiling) and he truelly believes on rituals and in that liturgical experience, daily.
He is legally divorced and still thinks (believes) his "wife" would come back, because Jesus told him so... I had no choice to believe he belives that, becasue he has 5 years waiting for her to come and I know he prays hard, and daily for her to come.
Me and her mom are aware of some "risks"... and he is also AWARE he made things wrong to be screwed up and alone, this long time.
Here´s a woman who would remind yourger ones this:
Pro 31:10 Who may make discovery of a woman of virtue? For her price is much higher than jewels.
Pro 31:11 The heart of her husband has faith in her, and he will have profit in full measure.
Pro 31:12 She does him good and not evil all the days of her life.
Pro 31:13 She gets wool and linen, working at the business of her hands.
Pro 31:10 Who may make discovery of a woman of virtue? For her price is much higher than jewels.
Pro 31:11 The heart of her husband has faith in her, and he will have profit in full measure.
Pro 31:12 She does him good and not evil all the days of her life.
Pro 31:13 She gets wool and linen, working at the business of her hands.
B
Sigh, now my mind is racing reading people's replies.
I always thought it'd be cool to be married at sea, but I think I'd just let the bride decide what she wanted to do and I'd be fine with it. I guess that's kind of a non-answer/wishy washy... as long the person I'm marrying was the person I was meant to be with, we loved one another, and it was God's plan, I would be happy if we were getting married at City Hall.
I always thought it'd be cool to be married at sea, but I think I'd just let the bride decide what she wanted to do and I'd be fine with it. I guess that's kind of a non-answer/wishy washy... as long the person I'm marrying was the person I was meant to be with, we loved one another, and it was God's plan, I would be happy if we were getting married at City Hall.