Jesus was spirit and for temporary have human body in His first coming.
He use His human body for about 34 years.
Before that, He already exist, not born from Mary.
Jesus is Mary Father.
Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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Jesus was spirit and for temporary have human body in His first coming.
He use His human body for about 34 years.
Before that, He already exist, not born from Mary.
Jesus is Mary Father.
I believe Calvin said if his teaching not inline with the bible then follow the bible.
1.The bible said Jesus is God the creator of everything include Mary.
2.Jesus is the beginning and the end, mean Jesus exist before Mary.
From this fact it is impossible Jesus was Mary son.
100 years before His first coming to the earth Mary not exist, can you say Jesus is Mary son?
For temporary Jesus body was Mary son. not His spirit. His spirit exist before Mary.
Now Jesus is Spirit and not Mary son.
The bible said God is spirit.
To say Jesus is Mary son forever is false.
It is just looking for loopholes in order to incorporate the teachings of the Roman pagan queen of heaven
Lol! Hey...I was just quoting the fathers of "Your" Reformation, not mine. If you think they were wrong, so be it.(or could it be you are wrong?) I also gotta ask tho, if you think they were wrong on this, doesn't it make ya wonder what else they could be wrong about?? If I were Protestant, I sure would!
Pax Christi
From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ----Luke 1:48
the heretic t.c. likes the others(fleshly, carnal, emotional, deceptive, permissive comfort) who allow his heresy as if it can coincide with true faith.
he and they forget that they are all judged for permitting the horrendous heresy as if it is okay, even if they were just quietly permitting or allowing it .....
yahweh judges them all guilty along with the heretics.
yahweh never permitted idolatry and heresy and demonic doctrines to be allowed in the assembly.
if you heretics want to be comfortable or feel loved and accepted, if you're not going to repent, go elsewhere.
this site has declared it is not for promoting heresy.
he and they forget that they are all judged for permitting the horrendous heresy as if it is okay, even if they were just quietly permitting or allowing it .....
yahweh judges them all guilty along with the heretics.
yahweh never permitted idolatry and heresy and demonic doctrines to be allowed in the assembly.
if you heretics want to be comfortable or feel loved and accepted, if you're not going to repent, go elsewhere.
this site has declared it is not for promoting heresy.
Really??? You are saying that God Made a mistake? Wow!!!! thats not the God of the Catholic Faith. We believe that God is perfect and could never make a mistake!The Catholics have given up the right to be the Pillar of Truth because of all the false doctrines taught about Mary in the Catholic Church today.
God took away the right of the Catholics to say they are the Pillar of the Truth when John Calvin and Luther exposed the lies of the Catholics to the whole World.
Oh yeah.... would you like to see some quotes from Luther and Calvin agreeing with Catholic doctrine, like the sinlessness of Mary, Her Perpetual Virginity, and being the Mother of God? Here.... I'll give ya a small example.
Mary the Mother of God:
"She is rightly called not only the mother of the man, but also the Mother of God ... It is certain that Mary is the Mother of the real and true God."---Martin Luther, Weimar edition of Martin Luther's Works, English translation edited by J. Pelikan [Concordia: St. Louis], volume 24, 107.
John Calvin:
"Elizabeth called Mary Mother of the Lord, because the unity of the person in the two natures of Christ was such that she could have said that the mortal man engendered in the womb of Mary was at the same time the eternal God."----John Calvin, Calvini Opera [Braunshweig-Berlin, 1863-1900], Volume 45, 35.
"To this day we cannot enjoy the blessing brought to us in Christ without thinking at the same time of that which God gave as adornment and honour to Mary, in willing her to be the mother of his only-begotten Son."---John Calvin, A Harmony of Matthew, Mark and Luke (St. Andrew's Press, Edinburgh, 1972), p.32.
And for good measure, I'll even throw in a little Ulrich Zwingli.
"I esteem immensely the Mother of God, the ever chaste, immaculate Virgin Mary."---Ulrich Zwingli, Zwingli Opera, Corpus Reformatorum, Volume 1, 424.
Now keep in mind, this is what they had to say about Mary being the Mother of God, care to see what they had to say about her perpetual Virginity, and her sinlessness? It can be very easily done.
Is that right???? To which one of the many thousands Protestant church/churches did He (God) hand over to be the Pillar of Truth? Hell man.... these churches can't even agree on in whats moral and whats not. i.e. abortion is ok/ abortion is not..... Same sex marriage is ok, same sex marriage is not..... Euthanasia is ok.... Euthanasia is not....ect. ect.ect. much less being the Pillar of Truth!! And this is the (church/churches?) you claim God handed over to be the "Pillar of Truth"!!!!! I think not! I don't know about your God, but my God is not a God of confusion! He wouldn't allow such nonsence.Today its the Protestant Church that God has handed over to the title of the Pillar of Truth!
Lol!!! If thats the case, we are doing a pretty poor job at it! Lol!!No longer are the Catholics the Children of God. They are now doing the will of Satan with all their false Doctrines, false Traditions, and total rejection of the Scriptures from the Holy Spirit.
This is such a doltish statement, it doesn't even warrant an responce.Even Pope Francis is not a Christian because he teaches false doctrines that are not in the Scriptures but in reality are from Satan and the World.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
[SUP]16 [/SUP] All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
[SUP]17 [/SUP] so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
The Holy Spirit says ALL Scriptures are profitable, are for teaching and learning, for reproof to rebuke the Catholics, to correct the teachings of the Catholics, to train us up in Righteousness, so that we are totally equipped and need nothing from the World and nothing from the Catholics!
Because you are so filled with hate towards the Catholic Church, what you fail so see in this passage is that it says nothing about Scripture being sufficient as a sole rule of faith. i.e. Sola Scriptura. All it shows is that Scripture is "profitable" (Greek: ophelimos) that is, helpful. Many things can be profitable for moving one toward a goal, without being sufficient in getting one to the goal. Notice that the passage nowhere even hints that Scripture is "sufficient"—which is, of course, exactly what Protestants think the passage means.
Than you should be able to show me where in Scripture it says such a thing.The Scriptures from God is all we need!
Lol!!! Wow!!! Lol!!!Repent Fordman, Toss aside Mary! Accept Salvation from Jesus Christ THEN be Baptized!
Catholicism.... built on solid rock. Protestantism..... on shifting sands.
Pax Christi
"From henceforth all generations shall call me Blessed." ----Luke 1:48
Jesus of Nazareth did not exist prior to his conception in the womb of Mary.Jesus was spirit and for temporary have human body in His first coming.
He use His human body for about 34 years.
Before that, He already exist, not born from Mary.
The divine Son of God has always existed.
The always-existing divine Son of God became a human (Jn 1:1, 13) in his incarnation in time in Jesus of Nazareth.
No, the Father, not the Son, is Mary's Father, and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and the Son.Jesus is Mary Father.
Lol! Hey...I was just quoting the fathers of "Your" Reformation, not mine. If you think they were wrong, so be it.(or could it be you are wrong?) I also gotta ask tho, if you think they were wrong on this, doesn't it make ya wonder what else they could be wrong about?? If I were Protestant, I sure would!
Pax Christi
From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ----Luke 1:48
My savior is Jesus Christ, not Pope, or RCC or Calvin.
What ever not inline with the bible is wrong.
Bible say even if the angel come from heaven teach you something not inline with the bible let him be curse.
Catholic is inconsistent. Claim to believe the bible, but accept the teaching Mary is Queen of heaven.
I hope you rethink about how inconsistent is your system.
Jesus of Nazareth did not exist prior to his conception in the womb of Mary.
The divine Son of God has always existed.
The always-existing divine Son of God became a human (Jn 1:1, 13) in his incarnation in time in Jesus of Nazareth.
No, the Father, not the Son, is Mary's Father, and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and the Son.
You said Jesus exist before Mary, than why Jesus Mary son.
You said Jesus of Nazareth exist after Mary, is that mean Jesus and Jesus of Nazareth are 2 different Jesus?
If you don't believe Jesus is Mary father, at least Your believe Jesus is Mary creator don't you?
Don't believe to Catholic teaching Mary as queen of heaven. This teaching is only try find loophole to incorporate Pagan teaching about Queen of heaven.
There isn't Queen of heaven in bible teaching. This teaching is against the bible. This teaching is a cup. To replace Jesus or at least reduce the sovereignty or Jesus, and share with Mary, which is not real Mary.
My savior is Jesus Christ, not Pope, or RCC or Calvin.Lol! Pretty sure I've shown who's (yours) system is being "inconsistent" Lol!Yep....mine too! I accept Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior every time I receive Him in The Holy Eucharist.
Oh you mean like the doxology Protestants use at the end of The Lord's Prayer.... ""For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory, now and forever"? this line was not recited by Jesus in Matthew 6:9-13. So if you include it praying the Lords Prayer, and its not in line with the bible, it must be wrong.....right? Your words....not mine!!What ever not inline with the bible is wrong.
Bring up that verse....I'd like to see it.Bible say even if the angel come from heaven teach you something not inline with the bible let him be curse.
On the contrary mi amigo, you can find a description of it in Revelation/Apocalypse chapter 12Revelation 12:1 - “And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.”Catholic is inconsistent. Claim to believe the bible, but accept the teaching Mary is Queen of heaven.
The woman in Revelation 12:1 signifies a number of things. The fathers of the Church understood it to signify the Mother of Jesus; they also understood it to signify, on a certain level, the Church. There is no doubt that it signifies Mary, for the Son of this woman is the one who rules all nations with an iron rod (Rev. 12:5). That’s Jesus, of course; and thus the mother must be the Virgin Mary. Therefore, Revelation chapter 12 provides us with a clear picture of Mary assumed into Heaven and placed as Queen of Heaven.
[quoteI hope you rethink about how inconsistent is your system.
Pax Christi
"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ----Luke 1:48
Oh you mean like the doxology Protestants use at the end of The Lord's Prayer.... ""For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory, now and forever"? this line was not recited by Jesus in Matthew 6:9-13. So if you include it praying the Lords Prayer, and its not in line with the bible, it must be wrong.....right? Your words....not mine!!
Jackson:
Let me ask you question.
what is inline with the bible mean?
Say in my church, Sunday worship service start at 10;45
Is this inline with the bible?
Bring up that verse....I'd like to see it.
Galatians 1:8
New American Standard Bible
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
On the contrary mi amigo, you can find a description of it in Revelation/Apocalypse chapter 12Revelation 12:1 - “And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.”
The woman in Revelation 12:1 signifies a number of things. The fathers of the Church understood it to signify the Mother of Jesus; they also understood it to signify, on a certain level, the Church. There is no doubt that it signifies Mary, for the Son of this woman is the one who rules all nations with an iron rod (Rev. 12:5). That’s Jesus, of course; and thus the mother must be the Virgin Mary. Therefore, Revelation chapter 12 provides us with a clear picture of Mary assumed into Heaven and placed as Queen of Heaven.
Jackson.
It doesn't say Mary is queen of heaven. And I don't believe that woman is Mary.
Jackson:
Let me ask you question.
what is inline with the bible mean?
Say in my church, Sunday worship service start at 10;45
Is this inline with the bible?
Bring up that verse....I'd like to see it.
Galatians 1:8
New American Standard Bible
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
On the contrary mi amigo, you can find a description of it in Revelation/Apocalypse chapter 12Revelation 12:1 - “And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.”
The woman in Revelation 12:1 signifies a number of things. The fathers of the Church understood it to signify the Mother of Jesus; they also understood it to signify, on a certain level, the Church. There is no doubt that it signifies Mary, for the Son of this woman is the one who rules all nations with an iron rod (Rev. 12:5). That’s Jesus, of course; and thus the mother must be the Virgin Mary. Therefore, Revelation chapter 12 provides us with a clear picture of Mary assumed into Heaven and placed as Queen of Heaven.
Jackson.
It doesn't say Mary is queen of heaven. And I don't believe that woman is Mary.
D
DesiredHaven
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Didnt the woman clothed with the sun take off into the wilderness?
Rev 12:6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred andthreescore days.
Thats supposedly Mary?
Rev 12:6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred andthreescore days.
Thats supposedly Mary?
Didnt the woman clothed with the sun take off into the wilderness?
Rev 12:6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred andthreescore days.
Thats supposedly Mary?
Good question.
D
DesiredHaven
Guest
When Mary said,
Luke 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden:
for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
And we begin to see it come to pass here
Luke 11:27 And it came to pass,as he spake these things,
a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice,
and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
Jesus checked that here
Luke 11:28 But he said,
Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
In Mary, we see her say, from henceforth all generations they shall call ME (singular) blessed . As it was her womb that bare Jesus Christ and it was her paps which did give him suck (whom that "certain woman" did bless. She wasnt answered back with an Amen (You said it) sister, and his answer is preceeded by the word "but" ... But he said, Yea rather blessed are THEY (plural) that hear the word of God, and keep it.
Doesnt Jesus divert the woman lifting her voice off of "Mary" being called blessed (in the singular) in his "Yea rather" response and place the blessed on the" They" (in the plural) that hear the word of God and keep it?
Luke 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden:
for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
And we begin to see it come to pass here
Luke 11:27 And it came to pass,as he spake these things,
a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice,
and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
Jesus checked that here
Luke 11:28 But he said,
Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
In Mary, we see her say, from henceforth all generations they shall call ME (singular) blessed . As it was her womb that bare Jesus Christ and it was her paps which did give him suck (whom that "certain woman" did bless. She wasnt answered back with an Amen (You said it) sister, and his answer is preceeded by the word "but" ... But he said, Yea rather blessed are THEY (plural) that hear the word of God, and keep it.
Doesnt Jesus divert the woman lifting her voice off of "Mary" being called blessed (in the singular) in his "Yea rather" response and place the blessed on the" They" (in the plural) that hear the word of God and keep it?
D
DesiredHaven
Guest
Good question.
Thanks, I wasnt sure if that was where Mary was somehow "assumed into heaven" since the scripture seems to assume her into a wilderness area.
Thanks, I wasnt sure if that was where Mary was somehow "assumed into heaven" since the scripture seems to assume her into a wilderness area.
Seem to me rev 12 is not talking about Mary, and Mary wasn't assumed to heaven.
If so why the bible not mention it.
The bible mention when Elijah assumed to heaven. It is very special event. Only happen twice among billions of people who ever life.
And if that event in respect the title queen of heaven, logically it will be headline in the bible.
D
DesiredHaven
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Seem to me rev 12 is not talking about Mary, and Mary wasn't assumed to heaven.
If so why the bible not mention it.
The bible mention when Elijah assumed to heaven. It is very special event. Only happen twice among billions of people who ever life.
And if that event in respect the title queen of heaven, logically it will be headline in the bible.
She even calls herself the handmaid of the LORD
Not the wife of Jehovah or the queen of heaven,
She is wife to Joseph.
The apostles simply make mention her as a woman (not even by name) in Gal 4:4
But when the fulness of the time was come,
God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
As did Christ when she stated they were out of wine
Jesus saith unto her,
Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
So Christ was made of a human woman made under the law (he was not made of a queen of heaven).
Which reminds me, I recall this conversation (which involved a little a comparison) which was used to justify Mary being a queen of heaven using in 1 Kings 2:19. And in the which Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, and Solomon the king stood up to meet her, bowed down to her and sat down on his throne.
He had a throne brought for the king's mother, and she sat down at his right hand.
And so the reasoning went, that since Solomon was the king of Israel, and Jesus (like Solomon) is the Son of David so then calling Mary queen of heaven is justified being centered around the fact that she is the mother of a King (Jesus, King of kings) and seeing how the kings of Israel treated their mothers. Jesus would do the same in like manner.
Jesus is greater than Solomon (Jesus created both Solomon and Mary) who calls herself a handmaid not a queen.
Okay, so Mary (like Bathsheba, King Solomon's mother) desires to speak to her son (in this case Jesus)
But they arent compareble
And probably because Solomon didnt create the one who he had came through as Jesus Christ did.
And so while king Solomon stood up to meet Bathsheba, him bowing down to her
Jesus does no such thing when Mary wants to talk to him
The people notice Mary and Jesus brethren stood without here
Mat 12:46 While he yet talked to the people,
behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
Mat 12:47 Then one said unto him,
Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him,
Who is my mother?
and who are my brethren?
Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples,
and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
There was no getting up and bowing down to Mary
And Solomon (who was used for an example) sat down on his throne. But they point out how he had a throne brought for the king's mother, and she sat down at his right hand.
When Jesus was asked about being this here
Mark 10:37 They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory.
They didnt know what they were asking, he replies...
Mark 10:40 But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.
He didnt say it was for my mother the queen of heaven that would be assumed into the text, theres other verses on the throne.
Solomon might have bowed before his mother, Joseph dream shows his mother and brethren bowing to him. And Jesus didnt bow before his mother so might depend on what you compare it with.
She even calls herself the handmaid of the LORD
Not the wife of Jehovah or the queen of heaven,
She is wife to Joseph.
The apostles simply make mention her as a woman (not even by name) in Gal 4:4
But when the fulness of the time was come,
God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
As did Christ when she stated they were out of wine
Jesus saith unto her,
Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
So Christ was made of a human woman made under the law (he was not made of a queen of heaven).
Which reminds me, I recall this conversation (which involved a little a comparison) which was used to justify Mary being a queen of heaven using in 1 Kings 2:19. And in the which Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, and Solomon the king stood up to meet her, bowed down to her and sat down on his throne.
He had a throne brought for the king's mother, and she sat down at his right hand.
And so the reasoning went, that since Solomon was the king of Israel, and Jesus (like Solomon) is the Son of David so then calling Mary queen of heaven is justified being centered around the fact that she is the mother of a King (Jesus, King of kings) and seeing how the kings of Israel treated their mothers. Jesus would do the same in like manner.
Jesus is greater than Solomon (Jesus created both Solomon and Mary) who calls herself a handmaid not a queen.
Okay, so Mary (like Bathsheba, King Solomon's mother) desires to speak to her son (in this case Jesus)
But they arent compareble
And probably because Solomon didnt create the one who he had came through as Jesus Christ did.
And so while king Solomon stood up to meet Bathsheba, him bowing down to her
Jesus does no such thing when Mary wants to talk to him
The people notice Mary and Jesus brethren stood without here
Mat 12:46 While he yet talked to the people,
behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
Mat 12:47 Then one said unto him,
Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him,
Who is my mother?
and who are my brethren?
Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples,
and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
There was no getting up and bowing down to Mary
And Solomon (who was used for an example) sat down on his throne. But they point out how he had a throne brought for the king's mother, and she sat down at his right hand.
When Jesus was asked about being this here
Mark 10:37 They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory.
They didnt know what they were asking, he replies...
Mark 10:40 But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.
He didnt say it was for my mother the queen of heaven that would be assumed into the text, theres other verses on the throne.
Solomon might have bowed before his mother, Joseph dream shows his mother and brethren bowing to him. And Jesus didnt bow before his mother so might depend on what you compare it with.
indeed, Mary is Jesus handmaid/servant
Bathsheba is Solomon mother and she exist before Solomon.
Jesus exist before Mary, and yes Mary is His servant. Mary is His creation and a servant to her Creator.
Tradition put a mother as a person who have authority to her son, or at least big influence.
Mary as a mother like queen of heaven, believed to have big authority in heaven. Than Indonesian catholic have special pray of submission to Mary.
I believe that is the goal, to redirect our submission other God in this case Mary though they not openly say. This teaching is design to mislead step by step, to make the target unaware or too late to realize.
This prayer below is in Indonesian, the translator machine not very accurate.
The title must be Submission pray to Mary, can we submit to Mary while we already submit our self to Jesus?
Look sentence by sentence, the prayer ask Mary to take over they mind. Is Mary have a power to do so?
Is Mary as powerful as God that able to direct billions of people.
Delivery Prayer To Mary
Hymns Bakti, 1991, No. 52
Holy Mary, Mother of our Lord Jesus Christ, thou art Queen's noblest. so good you became queen us all. Tunjukanlah to us the path to holiness and guide us so as not to get lost.
Take charge of our mind, so we're just looking for the right.
We will be over, so we just want good.
Take charge of our hearts, that we love one another as a brother.
Overcome ourselves each and all family members.
Overcome all members of society, every nation and world dignitaries.
May the strap you into them all in a firm unity.
Overcome all mankind.
Open to the path of faith for those who are not familiar with your Son, Jesus.
Help her to all nations united, harmonious and peaceful life.
Naungilah all mankind, especially the persecuted and hounded.
They bear it in oppression and enlighten those in darkness, in order to remain faithful to Jesus, your son.
Hantarlah all our petition to thy Son, the Maharaja kingdom of peace, where every prayer of the petition is granted, every load lightened hearts and infirmities healed.
I hope people who know His power and put hope in Him. occasionally see the royal splendor of thy Son, who with the Father and the Holy Spirit lives and power, now and all time. Amen
D
DesiredHaven
Guest
I come of a catholic family I have seen their prayers.
Jesus directs to the Father
John 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing.
Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
Then he clarifies
John 16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name:
and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
Although I have been in these catholic back and forths for many years it goes no where typically
I wont waste my time and be on this thread too long, I would rather be talking about other things then this.
Jesus directs to the Father
John 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing.
Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
Then he clarifies
John 16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name:
and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
Although I have been in these catholic back and forths for many years it goes no where typically
I wont waste my time and be on this thread too long, I would rather be talking about other things then this.
Jesus of Nazareth did not exist prior to his conception in the womb of Mary.
The divine Son of God has always existed.
The always-existing divine Son of God became a human (Jn 1:1, 13) in his incarnation in time in Jesus of Nazareth.
No, the Father, not the Son, is Mary's Father, and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and the Son.
And Jesus Christ is Mary's God and LORD. He did in fact put aside any special relationship with Mary when He asked, 'WHO ARE MY MOTHER AND MY BROTHERS?' and said of believers, 'here are my mother and my brothers'.
Oh you mean like the doxology Protestants use at the end of The Lord's Prayer.... ""For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory, now and forever"? this line was not recited by Jesus in Matthew 6:9-13. So if you include it praying the Lords Prayer, and its not in line with the bible, it must be wrong.....right? Your words....
But the doxology is taken from the Bible. Thus it is words off Jesus.
Let me ask you question.
what is inline with the bible mean?
Say in my church, Sunday worship service start at 10;45
Is this inline with the bible?
Bring up that verse....I'd like to see it.
Galatians 1:8
New American Standard Bible
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
On the contrary mi amigo, you can find a description of it in Revelation/Apocalypse chapter 12Revelation 12:1 - “And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.”
The woman in Revelation 12:1 signifies a number of things. The fathers of the Church understood it to signify the Mother of Jesus; they also understood it to signify, on a certain level, the Church. There is no doubt that it signifies Mary, for the Son of this woman is the one who rules all nations with an iron rod (Rev. 12:5). That’s Jesus, of course; and thus the mother must be the Virgin Mary. Therefore, Revelation chapter 12 provides us with a clear picture of Mary assumed into Heaven and placed as Queen of Heaven.
Jackson.
It doesn't say Mary is queen of heaven. And I don't believe that woman is Mary.
the woman clothed with sun, moon and stars is clearly Israel. The idea is taken from Genesis 37.9
Lol! Hey...I was just quoting the fathers of "Your" Reformation, not mine. If you think they were wrong, so be it.(or could it be you are wrong?) I also gotta ask tho, if you think they were wrong on this, doesn't it make ya wonder what else they could be wrong about?? If I were Protestant, I sure would!
Pax Christi
We do of course question all that they teach, comparing them with the Scriptures and rejecting all that is unscriptural. They re fallible guides, not infallible authorities. It would be well if you did the same with the early church fathers who are even less reliable than the reformers. You might then come to the truth.'
From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ----Luke 1:48[/QUOTE]