Catholic Heresy (for the record)

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re lumberjack:

since you are not a christian, you are according to the word of God under the power of the devil, the prince of the power of the air,

i.e. you are continually deceived, and cannot be not deceived. nor can your parents grasp the truth nor can
they see the kingdom of heaven , according to God's Word. you are all lost and so far condemned by your
own admission.

God doesn't give you a choice to live your own way and at the same time think you can also receive freedom from the devil , who you are a slave to.

you have always been a slave of the devil, as are your parents, and you cannot change that. only God can.

so it is you who are in shame, in corruption, and will be resurrected also to shame and judgment

if you don't repent. there is no other option, no other choice. God's Word is written very clearly on this.

by the way, every one on earth is responsible for what they follow and what they chose to obey, even if
they have no free will. only those who get set free from the rcc ever have a chance for life, but that
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that they all who escape from the demonic heresy rcc will receive life - they may easily be in a different deception like wof , jw, repbulicans, lawyers, etc etc etc a lot of different errors and death traps --
the worst of which has been rcc....

Btw, I'm not even a christian myself, but still feel the need to stick up for my parents who are. Shame on you who doubt the sincerity of their faith in Jesus Christ, shame on you if you make them responsible for all the teachings of the RCC, shame on you if you call a fellow christian a heretic.
 
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Define "fellow Christian." Would the heresies and heretics that Christ, the apostles, the apostolic fathers, and the church patriarchs designated as such in the New Testament in your (uneducated) opinion qualify as "fellow Christian" or are you instead asserting something entirely different: that orthodox Protestants and orthodox Catholics are "fellow Christians" and it's shameful for people in either group to call the other a heretic?


Btw, I'm not even a christian myself, but still feel the need to stick up for my parents who are. Shame on you who doubt the sincerity of their faith in Jesus Christ, shame on you if you make them responsible for all the teachings of the RCC, shame on you if you call a fellow christian a heretic.
 

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Btw, I'm not even a christian myself, but still feel the need to stick up for my parents who are. Shame on you who doubt the sincerity of their faith in Jesus Christ, shame on you if you make them responsible for all the teachings of the RCC, shame on you if you call a fellow christian a heretic.
How noble of you. Every man must stand before God and account for himself. Every knee must bow and every tongue must confess. God has declared it to be so.

Just so you know how you define Christian and how the bible defines Christian are no where near the same. Just going to church does not make you a Christian according to the bible.

For your information the Truth can be known. The Truth is knowable. Just because you do not know it does not mean that others have not come to know the Truth.

If you have come here to be coy and to provoke others then you will likely achieve what you desire. I will bear any same you wish to heap upon me but I will not shame Christ.

You must personally account for your sins. Account to Christ Who died on the cross of Calvary that a way of salvation could be secured for you. Jesus rose from the tomb to attest to His power to save and forgive sin. What will you do with Jesus neutral you cannot be for one day you will be asking what will He do with me?

For the cause of Christ
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If you have come here to be coy and to provoke others then you will likely achieve what you desire. I will bear any same you wish to heap upon me but I will not shame Christ.
No sir, I came here to learn, not to have my parents slandered.
 
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I can appreciate your position. We certainly can and should qualify beliefs without slandering people's parents. Unfortunately, we have ranters on this forum.

No sir, I came here to learn, not to have my parents slandered.
 
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Matthew 7:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

2 Corinthians 11:12-15
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And what I am doing I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

2 Peter 2:1-3
[SUP]1 [/SUP] But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
Lumberjack, not everyone who claims to be a Christian IS a True Christian! There are many false Christians among us today trying to corrupt the Truth in the Scriptures with their false traditions! Nowhere in the Scriptures lumberjack does God say Mary was without sin! In fact God said ALL have sinned and God also said only Jesus Christ was without sin!

Therefore the Catholics are false Christians because they teach the opposite of what the Holy Spirit teaches in that they teach Mary was sinless! These people are called Tares in our Church!

Today there are many who claim to be a Christian but who in reality are not True Christians. Unfortunately today the Catholics have walked away from Jesus Christ to follow and Worship Mary as their God!

Repent lumberjack, toss aside the Catholic Church, accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior before its too late!
 
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........ we have received the Scriptures from God not from the Catholics. .............
Oh REALLY ? Perhaps you could explain this process to me ?

Seems to me there were dozens, if not hundreds of gospels and letters and early "christian" writings floating around until a bunch of MEN at the Council of Nicaea (A.D. 325) and later the Council of Trent were paid to cobble something together for the sake of uniformity.
They kept this and chopped that and changed the other according to their own theological whims and political leanings at the time.

Both Councils were, of course, convened under the banner of the early Roman Catholic Church .... in whose hands the "good book" reposed for many, many centuries - going through all manner of copyings and revsions.
Not one skerrick of an original document exists today.
 
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How can a Catholic claim he is keeping the greatest Commandment if he is also Worshiping Mary?
God said we are to give ALL to Him! To give anything to Mary means you are NOT giving ALL you have to God! ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.
Did you not go to the online version of the Catechism like I suggested earlier? No????? could it be that if you dd, you will see the truth, and then you will see all you've been taught about the Catholic Church is a bald face lie??? You wouldn't be the first.

Again, see the Cathechism of the Catholic Church, Part Three, Life in Christ: SectionTwo; Article One; 2084-2097

All your mind goes to God, not 50%, but 100%! If you give any of your mind to Mary like asking her to protect you then you are committing a Mortal Sin that will toss you in the Lake of Fire for all Eternity!
There is nothing that Mary does that is not because it has been given Her by God the power to do so. (The same is true of you an me.) 1. God can protect people. 2. God listens to our prayers concerning the protection of others, and answers our prayers.
3. If we can offer to pray to God for the protection of others then, consequently, we are offering protection. The idea is that it is God's protection which is being sought, not any protection we provide in and of ourselves.
If all this is true of us (the brothers and sisters of Christ) then it is even more true of Mary (the actual Mother of Christ).

Also....it it good to see you agreeing with the Catholic belief of Mortal Sin. Baby steps....to the truth my friend, baby steps....

And yes i was Baptized, but not Baptized again because as a baby i could not give my consent to be Baptized in the Corrupted Catholic Church! Therefore i was only Baptized once!! No Child under the age of reason can give consent to be Baptized.
Is that right? So maybe you can show me in the bible where it specifically prohibts the baptisim of babies. In Acts 16:15,33,18:8, and 1Cor.1:16 it is stated that an individual and his "whole household" were baptized. It would be hard to argure that this didn't involve small children, infants included. Now as far as your " No Child under the age of reason can give consent to be Baptized." arguement goes.... It just dosen't hold water. One doesn't neccessarily have to be aware of what is happening. For example, say a baby is born in a vegetative state, with severe brain defects, and died at ten years of age, still incapable of rational thoughts or communication. Is it your belief that child is damned simply because he/she couldn't believe???? We Catholics think not! We believe that God's mercy extends to those who do not yet know or understand the Gospel, or else all aborted babies, children who die at a young age, or "BEFORE" the age of reason, go to hell. You may believe that, but we Catholics don't believe that for a second!!!

Therefore the Baptism in the Catholic Church was a false Baptism!
If it makes you feel better to think this way...so be it. However, Scripture proves otherwise. (Eph.4:5)


Pax Christi


"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ----Luke 1:48.
 
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1) Just because the Catholic church, or was it before the great schism b/w Orthodox and Catholicism, compiled the scriptures, it doesn't make the Catholic Church right in any way. That is a fallacious argument. Besides a broken clock is right twice a day.
Hmmmm.... It has been my expernce that Protestants/non-Catholics believe in the canon of the New Testament without one iota of biblical evidence for it (thus they rely on human ecclesiastical authority in the 4th century). They also accept sola Scriptura (as one of their bedrock principles of arriving at theological truths) when there is no biblical evidence at all for that notion. Protestants/non-Catholics build their very belief-structure (and determine how they will ascertain all other Christian doctrines) on two premises that are entirely unproven or unprovable from Holy Scripture itself. We Catholics don't labor under that profound sort of logical inconsistency.

2) The word of God is the NT and OT. Traditions of man are not the same as the Holy Scriptures.
This is a common mis-conception amoung many Protestant/non-Catholic people, assuming it's (Sacred Tradition) something that we just... "made up."

Sacred Tradition comes from Christ. It's the full, living gift of Christ to the Apostles, faithfully handed down through each generation. It is through Tradition that the Holy Spirit makes the Risen Lord present among us, offering us the very same saving Word and Sacraments that he gave to the Apostles! Understanding Catholic Tradition is essential to understanding the Catholic Church and the Catholic Christian faith.

The word "tradition" actually means handing down something to another person.
Scripture testifies to this meaning of Catholic Tradition as the normal mode of transmitting the Faith:

"So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter." (2 Thess 2:15) "For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you...." (1 Cor 11:23) "For I handed on to you as of first importance what I also received...." (1 Cor 15:3) "...I know whom I have believed [i.e., Jesus], and I am sure that he is able to guard until that Day what has been entrusted to me. Follow the pattern of the sound words which you have heard from me, in the faith and love which are in Christ Jesus; guard the truth that has been entrusted to you by the Holy Spirit who dwells within us." (2 Tim 1:11-14) "You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus, and what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also." (2 Tim 2:1-2) "...I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints." (Jude 1:3)

This is the most basic meaning of Catholic Tradition: it is the true Faith itself, given to the Apostles by Christ and faithfully transmitted to each new generation. (Catechism, 77-78) We often write Tradition, with a capital 'T', to mean Sacred Tradition. This Catholic Tradition is different from those traditions (small 't') that are merely customs, and which are not part of Divine Revelation.

The Second Vatican Council ("Vatican II") wrote an important document called "On Divine Revelation" (Dei Verbum in Latin). It's quite readable, and contains definitive teaching on the full meaning of Catholic Tradition
The Council notes the importance of seeing that Catholic Tradition is firmly rooted in the Apostles: it is Christ's whole gift to them, and to us. The Council writes:
In His gracious goodness, God has seen to it that what He had revealed for the salvation of all nations would abide perpetually in its full integrity and be handed on to all generations. Therefore Christ the Lord in whom the full revelation of the supreme God is brought to completion.., commissioned the Apostles to preach to all men that Gospel which is the source of all saving truth and moral teaching, and to impart to them heavenly gifts.
(Dei Verbum, 7)​

It is specifically this "commissioning of the Apostles" that is fulfilled in the handing on of Catholic Tradition.
The Apostles dedicated themselves to this mission, and they appointed other faithful men to succeed them and carry on their work. That same passage of Dei Verbum continues:
"This commission was faithfully fulfilled by the Apostles who, by their oral preaching, by example, and by observances handed on what they had received from the lips of Christ, from living with Him, and from what He did, or what they had learned through the prompting of the Holy Spirit. The commission was fulfilled, too, by those Apostles and apostolic men who under the inspiration of the same Holy Spirit committed the message of salvation to writing." ----(Dei Verbum, 7)

And finally, (I will address the rest of your post at a later date, for right now I'm off to the links!) many Protestants/non-Catholics believe that Catholics look to Tradition instead of Scripture. That is not the case at all!

Catholic Tradition stands with Scripture in forming the one single deposit of the Faith. For Catholics, Sacred Tradition is not in opposition to Scripture: they compliment and confirm one another.

Vatican II's Dei Verbum speaks of "a close connection and communication between sacred tradition and Sacred Scripture": "both of them... [flow] from the same divine wellspring."
It says that "Sacred Scripture is the word of God inasmuch as it is consigned to writing under the inspiration of the divine Spirit, while sacred tradition takes the word of God entrusted by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit to the Apostles, and hands it on to their successors in its full purity." The Church, "led by the light of the Spirit of truth, ...may in proclaiming it preserve this word of God faithfully, explain it, and make it more widely known." (Dei Verbum, 9) This statement reveals another key aspect of Catholic Tradition: it is linked to the active work of the Holy Spirit.





Pax Christi




"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ----Luke 1:48.
 
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I can appreciate your position. We certainly can and should qualify beliefs without slandering people's parents. Unfortunately, we have ranters on this forum.
On "both sides" no doubt. Maybe this just isn't the place for me,
I feel like I'm being treating as a dog atm:

bad catholic... bad... BAD catholic!



 
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Jesus was severely mistreated. Was Jesus any less a son of God or a son of man because people mistreated him? No, of course not!

People mistreat others all the time and sometimes with good intentions... lol. When people make a decision to mistreat you, it's important to first look at your words and behavior and see if there's a reason for it that you need to correct or even make amends for.

If there is not, then you can safely move forward knowing that they are really the one with a problem and you were just unfortunate in crossing paths with them... lol.

That said, you're correct this is an orthodox Protestant forum and not an orthodox Catholic forum. However, we have some really cool Catholics here that I personally like and respect.

SantoSubito, ThomistColin, etc... are certainly among them.

They have handled the ranters well. When I see ranters going off on them, I usually come to their side. I do so for two reasons. The first is that the ranters are usually presenting a myopic one-dimensional "my way or the highway" view that isn't a good alignment with the Word of God they claim to represent and the second reason is because their behavior is un-Christlike.

Peace.

On "both sides" no doubt. Maybe this just isn't the place for me, I feel like I'm being treating as a dog atm: bad catholic... bad... BAD catholic!
 
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In fact lumberjack, friend them both and ask them questions. You can learn a lot from those two Catholics. Peace.
 

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Oh REALLY ? Perhaps you could explain this process to me ?

Seems to me there were dozens, if not hundreds of gospels and letters and early "christian" writings floating around until a bunch of MEN at the Council of Nicaea (A.D. 325) and later the Council of Trent were paid to cobble something together for the sake of uniformity.
They kept this and chopped that and changed the other according to their own theological whims and political leanings at the time.

Both Councils were, of course, convened under the banner of the early Roman Catholic Church .... in whose hands the "good book" reposed for many, many centuries - going through all manner of copyings and revsions.
Not one skerrick of an original document exists today.
The Roman Catholic church did not exist in 325 AD. Whilst churches had gathered into groups they were still independent churches, with their status determined by the nature of their particular leaders. There was no Pope who was recognised by the worldwide church.

All the councils did was ratify what had been brought forward from the past on the basis of their apostolic connections. The muratorian canon in 2nd century AD listed almost all the books we call the New Testaments. Irenaus also listed the canonical books, and so did others. Missing were 2 Peter and 2 & 3 John, but it is very possible that they were seen as one with 1 John and 1 Peter (simply called John and Peter).

So it is to the independent churches in 2nd century AD that we look to for which books were canonical because 'accepted by all the churches' at a time when people still lived who knew men who had spoken with the Apostles. It was not to the RC church.
 
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The Roman Catholic church did not exist in 325 AD. Whilst churches had gathered into groups they were still independent churches, with their status determined by the nature of their particular leaders. There was no Pope who was recognised by the worldwide church.
it is obvious your knowledge of early Church history, and the writings of the Early Church Fathers (ECF) is limited. For the EFC had much to say about the Catholic Church prior to 325 a.d. The early Church was the Catholic Church. It taught infallibly, gave us the New Testament and was made up of three ranks of clergy, bishop, priest and deacon. The idea of “Scripture Alone” didn’t exist (and still doesn't)nor could it have as the printing press would not be invented for more than a thousand years.
Ignatius of Antioch​
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).
In like manner let everyone respect the deacons as they would respect Jesus Christ, and just as they respect the bishop as a type of the Father, and the presbyters as the council of God and college of the apostles. Without these, it cannot be called a Church. I am confident that you accept this, for I have received the exemplar of your love and have it with me in the person of your bishop. His very demeanor is a great lesson and his meekness is his strength. I believe that even the godless do respect him (Letter to the Trallians 3:1-2 [A. D. 110]).
The Martyrdom of Polycarp​
When finally he concluded his prayer, after remembering all who had at any time come his way – small folk and great folk, distinguished and undistinguished, and the whole Catholic Church throughout the world – the time for departure came. So they placed him on an ass, and brought him into the city on a great Sabbath (The Martyrdom of Polycarp 8 [A.D. 110]).​
Irenaeus​
The Catholic Church possesses one and the same faith throughout the whole world, as we have already said (Against Heresies 1:10 [A.D. 189]).
Since therefore we have such proofs, it is not necessary to seek the truth among others which it is easy to obtain from the Church; since the apostles, like a rich man [depositing his money] in a bank, lodged in her hands most copiously all things pertaining to the truth: so that every man, whosoever will, can draw from her the water of life. For she is the entrance to life; all others are thieves and robbers. On this account we are bound to avoid them, but to make choice of the things pertaining to the Church with the utmost diligence, and to lay hold of the tradition of the truth. For how stands the case? Suppose there should arise a dispute relative to some important question among us. Should we not have recourse to the most ancient churches with which the apostles held constant intercourse, and learn from them what is certain and clear in regard to the present question? For how should it be if the apostles themselves had not left us writings? Would it not be necessary [in that case] to follow the course of the tradition which they handed down to those to whom they did commit the churches? (ibid. 3:4).
Tertullian​
Where was Marcion then, that shipmaster of Pontus, the zealous student of Stoicism? Where was Valentinus then, the disciple of Platonism? For it is evident that those men lived not so long ago – in the reign of Antoninus for the most part – and that they at first were believers in the doctrine of the Catholic Church, in the church of Rome under the episcopate of the blessed Eleutherus, until on account of their ever restless curiosity, with which they even infected the brethren, they were more than once expelled (The Prescription Against Heretics 22,30 [A.D.200])
Clement of Alexandria​
A multitude of other pieces of advice to particular persons is written in the holy books: some for presbyters, some for bishops and deacons; and others for widows, of whom we shall have opportunity to speak elsewhere (The Instructor of Children 3:12:97:2 [A.D. 191]).
Even here in the Church the gradations of bishops, presbyters, and deacons happen to be imitations, in my opinion, of the angelic glory and of that arrangement which, the Scriptures say, awaits those who have followed in the footsteps of the apostles and who have lived in complete righteousness according to the gospel (Stromateis 6:13:107:2 [post-A.D. 202]).
Hippolytus​
When a deacon is to be ordained, he is chosen after the fashion of those things said above, the bishop alone in like manner imposing his hands upon him as we have prescribed. In the ordaining of a deacon, this is the reason why the bishop alone is to impose his hands upon him: He is not ordained to the priesthood, but to serve the bishop and to fulfill the bishop's command. He has no part in the council of the clergy, but is to attend to his own duties and is to acquaint the bishop with such matters as are needful. . . . On a presbyter [priest], however, let the presbyters impose their hands because of the common and like Spirit of the clergy. Even so, the presbyter has only the power to receive [the Spirit], and not the power to give [the Spirit]. That is why a presbyter does not ordain the clergy; for at the ordaining of a presbyter, he but seals while the bishop ordains. (Apostolic Tradition 9 [ca. A.D. 215]).
Origen​
Not fornication only, but even marriages make us unfit for ecclesiastical honors; for neither a bishop, nor a presbyter, nor a deacon, nor a widow is able to be twice married (Homilies on Luke, 17 [ca. A.D. 235]).

Cyprian​
The spouse of Christ cannot be defiled; she is uncorrupted and chaste. She knows one home . . . Does anyone believe that this unity which comes from divine strength, which is closely connected with the divine sacraments, can be broken asunder in the Church and be separated by the divisions of colliding wills? He who does not hold this unity, does not hold the law of God, does not hold the faith of the Father and the Son, does not hold life and salvation (On the Unity of the Catholic Church 6 [A.D. 251]).
Peter speaks there, on whom the Church was to be built, teaching and showing in the name of the Church, that although a rebellious and arrogant multitude of those who will not hear or obey may depart, yet the Church does not depart from Christ; and they are the Church who are a people united to the priest, and the flock which adheres to its pastor. Whence you ought to know that the bishop is in the Church, and the Church in the bishop; and if anyone be not with the bishop, that he is not in the Church, and that those flatter themselves in vain who creep in, not having peace with God’s priests, and think that they communicate secretly with some; while the Church which is Catholic and one, is not cut nor divided, but is indeed connected and bound together by the cement of priests who cohere with one another (Letters 66 [A.D. 253]).


No charge for the history lesson. :)



Pax Christi


"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ---- Luke 1:48.​
 
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Whilst churches had gathered into groups they were still independent churches, with their status determined by the nature of their particular leaders. There was no Pope who was recognised by the worldwide church.
I disagree..... The Catholic doctrine of the papacy is biblically based, and is derived from the evident primacy of St. Peter among the apostles. Like all Christian doctrines, it has undergone development through the centuries, but it hasn't departed from the essential components already existing in the leadership and prerogatives of St. Peter. These were given to him by our Lord Jesus Christ, acknowledged by his contemporaries, and accepted by the early Church. The biblical Petrine data is quite strong and convincing, by virtue of its cumulative weight, especially for those who are not hostile to the notion of the papacy from the outset. This is especially made clear with the assistance of biblical commentaries. I would be more than happy to show you with the help of Scripture if you so wish.


Pax Christi


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The Holy Spirit wrote the Scriptures using people to write what He said.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
[SUP]16 [/SUP] All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
[SUP]17 [/SUP] so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

All Scriptures comes from God! None come from the corrupted Catholic Church! In fact the Catholic Church was not around when the Scriptures were written by the Holy Spirit. The Catholics did not appear until the 4th century, long after the Bible was written by God!

Baptism is NOT for babies!

Acts 2:37-38
[SUP]37 [/SUP] Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
[SUP]38 [/SUP] And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Even Peter who the Catholics claim was their first Pope says we are to REPENT and then be Baptized! Not be Baptized as a baby and repent later! To be Baptized one must first repent of his sins! How can a baby repent of his sins? He cannot!

Therefore the practice of Baptizing babies is a false doctrine invented by the Catholics to fool people into thinking they are True Christians!
 
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Where in the Scriptures did the Holy Spirit say Mary was Omnipresence? Where in the Scriptures did the Holy Spirit say Mary was Omniscience?

These two powers are needed by Mary to hear and answer our prayers! If the Catholics do say Mary has these powers then this proves Mary is a God to the Catholics!

Where in the Scriptures Fordman did God ever say Mary had the same powers He had? Where in the Scriptures did God give Mary the powers of Omnipresence and Omniscience? Its NOT in the Scriptures!

Therefore to say Mary can hear all our prayers and answer all our prayers proves that you do Worship Mary as your god!

The Catholic Church today is a Cult following and Worshiping Mary as a god equal to God! Its the old Pagan Roman religion that the Catholics are following today.

We True Christians need to stand out in front of the Catholic Church and bring the Gospel of Salvation to all the Catholics. We need to bring these people back into the fold of us True believers who follow God only!
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No sir, I came here to learn, not to have my parents slandered.
You held them up as an example of what you believe a Christian to be and I have responded not with slander but biblical criticism. You have endeavored to use them as a shield which is disrespectful of your parents. Tell me what you believe and how you expect to obtain forgiveness of your sins. Each man must give his own account not the account of others.

All men including myself were estranged from God because of our sin. Only through the reconciliation of the blood of Jesus Christ can one be forgiven and inherit eternal life.

If you truly desire to learn then go and read the Gospel of John and the book of Romans. Romans chapter one through chapter three the apostle Paul describes mankind through the eyes of God.

The first three chapter of John describes Christ as God Incarnate.

Truth you are able to know if you really desire to know. Then come back with questions and leave the baseless accusations and excuses elsewhere.

For the cause of Christ
Roger