Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[KenAllan]

Lumberjack, every Catholic i know does Worship Mary! They claim they do not, but their actions show they do Worship Mary AS THEIR GOD!

I was born and raised in the Catholic Church! I left the Catholic Church when i was called out of the Catholic Church by God! I was Baptized in a True Christian Church!

I know what goes on in the Catholic Church and i do know what the Catholic Church teaches. You may be able to fool others into believing your lies but you cannot fool me for i have the Truth in me.

100% of ALL our mind, soul, Heart and strength goes to God. To give any of it to Mary is breaking the greatest Commandment ever!

Mark 12:30 (ESV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] And you shall love the Lord your God with ALL your heart and with ALL your soul and with ALL your mind and with ALL your strength.’

If you or your parents give any of these to Mary shows that you and your parents are breaking the greatest commandment which is a Mortal sin that will keep you out of Heaven!

 

[Jeff_56]

yes, very true of very true.

but if lumber or coltom or others give up their service of and to mary, they realize that whole house falls.

because the whole house, the giant heresy, the anti-christ doctrines of demons,

when one brick of their falsehood is pulled out, the whole house falls down....

and thay aren't able to conceive of their whole house being false and untrue and unrighteous and evil and
full of demons and demonic doctrines and demonic practices....

so until they are ready to renounce all of it, every last bit of hasatan's house built in rome,

they won't renounce any piece of it,

knowing intuitively, spiritually?!? ,

that all of their own participation in

the works of satan will completely fall apart, and they will necessarily be DEVASTATED AND EMBARRASSED WHEN / IF GOD permits them to REPENT OF THEIR SIN......\

yes, they will lose everything they valued before, friends and family and priests(of satan, of course),
and
their jobs and homes and everything they have....

just to be a true disciple of Jesus....

yes, it is necessary, and it is worth it, but God won't push them. He won't take over their evil will....
not anymore than He took over any one of ours(ekklesia immersed in Him in Yahshua)
until
we
turned it over to HIM COMPLETELY WILLINGLY and JOYOUSLY and in REPENTANCE from our own lives apart from HIM.....

so too they(rcc members) must do, the same as anyone else on earth who wants to be forgiven.

 

[fordman]

Catholic teachings do go against the bible.

Lol! I'll just remind myself of your age for such a statement. Why in the world would the Catholic Church go against something she compiled? With that being said, not only are Catholic teachings rooted in the Bible, the Catholic Church, having been given authority by Jesus Christ and under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, compiled the Bible in the form that it exists today. The Catholic Church has as its sole rule of faith the entire Word of God, as it is found in Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. It is important to remember that all of the Word of God was at one time (after the death of Christ and before the compilation of the Bible) passed on orally through Sacred Tradition. Catholic beliefs are all rooted in the Word of God—communicated through Scripture and Tradition, and preserved by the Church.

Even the word Bible is a Catholic word. Surprisingly, the word "Bible" is not in the Bible. It means books from the Greek word βυβλος-byblos meaning "papyrus", from the ancient Phoenician city of Byblos which exported papyrus, the "paper" of the day. We love the Bible. Honest!


Pax Christi


"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ----Luke 1:48.

 

[Jeff_56]

the heretic promotes the heresy ever since it started posting... and it knows nothing..... everything in the posts it makes is false and from a source of darkness.

 

[notuptome]

I'm sorry, I see know that Roger and Jeff are the sole possessors of truth.

A malicious accusation made wholly without merit and a very common among those who are intellectually elite in their own imagination.

I do possess the truth but I am not the sole possessor of the truth. The Truth who is Jesus possesses me and I possess Him. Those who are genuine Christians also possess Jesus and thereby possess the Truth.

The Roman Catholic church does not possess the truth and denies Jesus Christ as the only means of entering into eternal life. Rome is a religion built on superstition and mystical rites drawn from ancient pagan traditions. Rome always perverts the Truth of Gods word to suit their purposes and render truth to be of no effect.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[fordman]

every Catholic i know does Worship Mary! They claim they do not, but their actions show they do Worship Mary AS THEIR GOD!

Really....So now you claim to know whats in the heart of every 1.2 billion Catholics....worldwide???? Wow!!!! How do you do that??? Sounds very dark to me.

I was born and raised in the Catholic Church!

So..... whats that supposed to mean? If you think it gives you an authority of Catholic doctrine, your posts proves otherwise!

I left the Catholic Church when i was called out of the Catholic Church by God!

Dont think so, why would God lead you away from the Church He started?

I was Baptized in a True Christian Church!

If you are claiming that you were "re-baptized", it didn't happen, sorry. If you think otherwise, you are going against Scripture, for it says in Eph.4:5... "one Lord, one faith, one baptism." So what you did was meaningless, according to Scripture.

I know what goes on in the Catholic Church and i do know what the Catholic Church teaches.

Absolutly do not!! Sorry.

You may be able to fool others into believing your lies but you cannot fool me for i have the Truth in me.

And we are to take your sole word for this???? {sarcasm.... with rolling eyes}

100% of ALL our mind, soul, Heart and strength goes to God.

Just like Catholics, good for you!

To give any of it to Mary is breaking the greatest Commandment ever!

Here you prove you total ignorance of the Catholic faith. See the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Part Three, Life in Christ: SectionTwo; Article One; 2084-2097.

Mark 12:30 (ESV)

[SUP]30 [/SUP] And you shall love the Lord your God with ALL your heart and with ALL your soul and with ALL your mind and with ALL your strength.’
If you or your parents give any of these to Mary shows that you and your parents are breaking the greatest commandment which is a Mortal sin that will keep you out of Heaven!

Really????? I have to wonder if "you" really know the purpose of God's law or commandments? The Pharisees prided themselves in the knowledge of the law and their ritual requirements. They made it a life-time practice to study the 616 precepts of the Old Testament along with the numerous rabbinic commentaries. They tested Jesus to see if he correctly understood the law as they did. Jesus startled them with his profound simplicity and mastery of the law of God and its purpose. What do you think God require of us? Well, we Catholics believe, simply that we love as he loves! (you once being Catholic should know that) God is love and everything he does flows from his love for us. God loved us first and our love for him is a response to his exceeding grace and kindness towards us. The love of God comes first and the love of neighbor is firmly grounded in the love of God. The more we know of God's love and truth the more we love what he loves and reject what is hateful and contrary to his will. What makes our love for God and his commands grow in us? Faith in God and hope in his promises strengthens us in the love of God. They are essential for a good relationship with God, for being united with him. The more we know of God the more we love him and the more we love him the greater we believe and hope in his promises. The Lord, through the gift of the Holy Spirit, gives us a new freedom to love as he loves. Do you allow anything to keep you from the love of God and the joy of serving others with a generous heart? Paul the Apostle says: hope does not disappoint us, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit which has been given to us (Romans 5:5). Do you know the love which conquers all?


Pax Christi


"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48.

 

[Jeff_56]

that's roman abomination rcc doctrines. they promote demon worship and service to idols of gold and silver and wood and even these days three dimensional visually created deceptive images.

the doctrines of the abomination were exposed long long ago. and those who trust in them are doomed to be destroyed unless they renounce them and "come out of her MY people" as yahweh says clearly and very very strictly.

 

[NarrowRoadDisciple]

Lol! I'll just remind myself of your age for such a statement. Why in the world would the Catholic Church go against something she compiled? With that being said, not only are Catholic teachings rooted in the Bible, the Catholic Church, having been given authority by Jesus Christ and under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, compiled the Bible in the form that it exists today. The Catholic Church has as its sole rule of faith the entire Word of God, as it is found in Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. It is important to remember that all of the Word of God was at one time (after the death of Christ and before the compilation of the Bible) passed on orally through Sacred Tradition. Catholic beliefs are all rooted in the Word of God—communicated through Scripture and Tradition, and preserved by the Church.

Even the word Bible is a Catholic word. Surprisingly, the word "Bible" is not in the Bible. It means books from the Greek word βυβλος-byblos meaning "papyrus", from the ancient Phoenician city of Byblos which exported papyrus, the "paper" of the day. We love the Bible. Honest!

Pax Christi

"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ----Luke 1:48.

1) Just because the Catholic church, or was it before the great schism b/w Orthodox and Catholicism, compiled the scriptures, it doesn't make the Catholic Church right in any way. That is a fallacious argument. Besides a broken clock is right twice a day.

2) The word of God is the NT and OT. Traditions of man are not the same as the Holy Scriptures.

3) The word bible is a catholic word? Yet you say it is derived from the greek word for books or papyrus.

4) My age should have nothing to do with my understanding. Did the Apostles requires years of study to become disciples of Christ? Or even Apostles? Only the Apostle Paul was learned and he was a pharisee. There are many people who study the scriptures for decades yet still lack in understanding. My life post born again has been devoted to the study of scripture and seeking the Holy Spirit in terms of understanding what God's interpretation is and not man. That I have found that the Catholic Church's teachings do not line up with scripture but contradict scripture via the Berean way is simply straight fact comparison devoid of bias but looking to just the facts.
Perhaps there are many the Lord does a quick work in to help their understanding and use them as His servants to help those who are lost.

5) The Catholic Church was not the church set up by Christ. Peter was not the first pope. Petra vs Petros are two very distinct and different words that Jesus used. The keys given and the authority given was given to the apostles to help set up the church. The early church started from home to home. Peter was known to tell people NOT to bow before him and kiss his feet since he was a fellow servant with the rest of those who serve Christ. The position of Pope as Vicari Christi and Pontificus Maximus is not found in the scriptures. Mary veneration, adoration, prayers, prayers to the dead, etc are not scriptural. Mary was not assumed to heaven like Enoch and Elijah as it is not found in scripture. Mary was not born of immaculate conception as it is not found in scripture.

Even though the Catholic Church helped to compile the scriptures, it doesn't excuse the rest of the false teachings that are found in the organization itself. Roots of pagan sun worship abound throughout the Catholic Church, dressed up as "Christian" traditions. I'm sorry that I follow God's words when He says not to learn the ways of the Gentiles. I'm sorry that I follow God's words when He says "Do not worship Me in that way."

Once again, the OP has clearly stated the tone regarding Catholic doctrine and teachings for the entire site. They are heresy and go against the word of God. Why are we here trying to argue against it when it is clearly stated? I praise God for those may ex-Catholics who have come out of the harlot mystery religion of Roman Catholicism to a born again life with the TRUTH in Christ.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not only standing against Catholic heresy, but ALL heresy even in the professing Christian church. Exercise discernment! Compare all you hear to the scriptures, not with the understanding given by man or denominational teachings, but with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. The warning given in 2 Peter 2 applies to all false teachers whether Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant.

We are exhorted by Paul to be on one mind, one judgment regarding the things of God with no divisions among us. Error and false doctrines/gospels divide the church of God. It keeps us away from the Lord God Almighty. I pray we continue to seek the Holy Spirit regarding what is of God and what is not of God using the gift of discernment God has given to His children.

 

[ThomistColin]

5) Pontifex Maximus is not an official title of the Pope. That's a fallacy.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

ThomistColin, you inspired me to read through Thomas Aquinas's 'Summa Theologica' and it was very edifying. Thought I would let you know.

James Dolezol, a recent doctoral graduate of Westminster Seminary in Philadelphia, has written a book (which was his dissertation) on divine simplicity in which he traces the agreement of Reformed scholasticism to Thomist scholasticism on the doctrine of God.

He demonstrates that the Reformed scholastics fundamentally agree with Aquinas on doctrine of God (and the Summa Theologica is of course a major work in the development of Aquinas' theology proper—it is the first subject he broaches).

See this: God without Parts: The Doctrine of Divine Simplicity - Reformed Forum

5) Pontifex Maximus is not an official title of the Pope. That's a fallacy.

 

[ThomistColin]

ThomistColin, you inspired me to read through Thomas Aquinas's 'Summa Theologica' and it was very edifying. Thought I would let you know.

James Dolezol, a recent doctoral graduate of Westminster Seminary in Philadelphia, has written a book (which was his dissertation) on divine simplicity in which he traces the agreement of Reformed scholasticism to Thomist scholasticism on the doctrine of God.

He demonstrates that the Reformed scholastics fundamentally agree with Aquinas on doctrine of God (and the Summa Theologica is of course a major work in the development of Aquinas' theology proper—it is the first subject he broaches).

See this: God without Parts: The Doctrine of Divine Simplicity - Reformed Forum

Of all of Thomas Aquinas's writings on Doctrine, His belief of Divine Simplicity is why I call myself a Thomist, plus St. Aquinas's childlike love of God.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I hoped you listened to that interview I posted. It was pretty awesome to see such a tight overlap on something between all of the various orthodox Protestant and orthodox Catholic worldviews. We can thank Thomas Aquinas for that .

Of all of Thomas Aquinas's writings on Doctrine, His belief of Divine Simplicity is why I call myself a Thomist, plus St. Aquinas's childlike love of God.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

And check this out Thomist: Amazon.com: An Elementary Christian Metaphysics (9780268009168): Joseph Owens: Books

 

[slave]

My input is my response to the catholic position. I speak this from love but I also speak this from the authority of God's word:

Firstly, I am an evangelical christian; what denomination I am really doesn't merit mention for it is not the basis of my salvation..God's word is... so the question here is maybe why am I a Evangelical Christian rather than a Roman Catholic?


I am a evangelical christian because, as one, I believe that the church of christ is made up of all born-again christians. 1 corinthians 12: 12-13
...And so I could never believe the fantastic claims of the roman catholic church that it is the only "true" church and that all who are willfully and knowingly outside it's folds are deceived and will ultimately be damned.



I am not a roman catholic because, as a Evangelical Christian, I believe that christ Himself is the head of His church. Col. 1:1 ...And so I could never believe the christ dishonoring teaching of the Roman Catholic church that the pope in Rome is "infallible" and is the "Head of the church"and the "Vicar of christ" on earth.

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I am not a Roman Catholic because, as a Evangelical Christian, I believe in the priesthood of all believers and that Christ and Christ alone is the Intermediary between man and God. ! John 3:1​ ....And so I could never believe in the "Cult of Mary" and the "Mariolatry" for the Roman Catholic church, which makes Mary more merciful than Christ, and the saints more attentive to human need than is our blessed Lord.


I am not a Roman Catholic because, as a Evangelical Christian, I believe that when Christ died on the cross He died once for all. Hebrews 10:11-12

.....And so I could never believe in the incredible Heresy of the Roman Catholic church that every time a Roman Catholic priest says the Mass, Christ is crucified afresh on that Roman Catholic alter.


I am not a Roman Catholic because, as a Evangelical Christian, I believe that the observance of the Lord's Supper is a symbolic remembrance of Christ's Death. ! Cor. 11:2of ....And so I could never believe the fantastic claims of the Roman Catholic church that her priests are mysteriously able to change common bread and wine into the actual flesh and blood of Jesus Christ.


I am Not a Roman Catholic because, as a Evangelical Christian, I believe the Bible is to be sufficient and adequate guide as it is interpreted by the Holy Spirit. Mark 7:7-9 and John 16:13 ......And so I could never Believe the Bible-dishonering and Holy-Ghost dishonoring teaching that the traditions of the Roman Catholic church are equal in authority to the inspired and sacred scriptures and that the Roman Catholic church is the only safe guide and interpreter of the Bible.


I am not a Roman Catholic because, as a Evangelical Christian, I believe that only God can forgive sin Daniel 9:9 and Isa. 55:7 ....And so I could never believe that a mere Roman Catholic priest, by some Religious magic or Hocus-Pocus, has the power to absolve and forgive men of their sins.


I am not a Roman Catholic because, as a Evangelical Christian, I believe that original sin is cleansed from the human heart by the Baptism with the Holy Ghost and Fire. Matt. 3:11 and Acts 15:8-9 .......And so I could never believe the Roman Catholic doctrine that in the sacrament of water baptism original sin is cleansed from the Human Heart.

I am not a Roman Catholic because, as a Evangelical Christian I belive that the souls of the righteous go immediately at death to be with the Lord in Paradise. Rev. 14:1...... And so I could never believe in the priest-invented purgatory nor in the callous and greedy religious extortion of indulgences and suffrages.

I am not a Roman Catholic because, as a Evangelical Christian I believe in freedom and liberty. Acts 15:10 And John 8:......And so I could never believe in the totalitarian system of the Roman Church which decries totalitarianism in politics but practices it in religion, and Denies Freedom to those who disagree with its Bible-distorting doctrines in those countries where it is in the majority, and is guilty of ever-encroaching limitation of liberty in those countries where it is the Minority.



​Matt. 15:8-9

 

[Jeff_56]

in the chat room a while back when you were on the microphone,

you said some things that are true. that was not just a small miracle ---

you do believe and speak some things that are true !!!!

however, none of the things that you said, the things that are true,

NONE OF THEM ARE PERMITTED IN THE ROMAN ABOMINATION RCC CATHOLIC HIERARCHY.

NOT one of the things that are true,
whether you said them or any one else did,
are permitted in and by the rcc heresy.

if you think they are, you've been entirely tricked/deceived.

also, the things you say that promote the rcc heresy, are entirely false. no exception.

there can be no mixture. it is very odd that anything you said is true, but i heard you. go figure....

so, the quandary is, will you find out in time ..... the rcc is death incarnate.

Of all of Thomas Aquinas's writings on Doctrine, His belief of Divine Simplicity is why I call myself a Thomist, plus St. Aquinas's childlike love of God.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Umm... yes slave but can't you state that in a normal font size... lol.

 

[lumberjack]

I do possess the truth but I am not the sole possessor of the truth. The Truth who is Jesus possesses me and I possess Him. Those who are genuine Christians also possess Jesus and thereby possess the Truth.

Ah, so you still claim to possess the truth. I rest my case.

 

[Jeff_56]

ah, that's what Jesus said to His disciples >> that He has given us the Truth and sanctified us by the Truth and
Jesus thanked the Father for cleaning us with the Truth and for granting us the Truth.

i.e. you are fighting against God Himself if you side with roman heretics -- even you must realize that you must renounce your own parents if you want to be forgiven of your sins and walk with God in Jesus - just like He told all of His disciples,
even the ones who had truly Godly parents and not parents in a cult heresy.
besides also pray that some day your own parents may be forgiven, if there is still time, God willing.

you don't have a case.

and you don't have any truth inside you.

Ah, so you still claim to possess the truth. I rest my case.

 

[lumberjack]

Btw, I'm not even a christian myself, but still feel the need to stick up for my parents who are. Shame on you who doubt the sincerity of their faith in Jesus Christ, shame on you if you make them responsible for all the teachings of the RCC, shame on you if you call a fellow christian a heretic.

 

[KenAllan]

Mark 12:28-34
[SUP]28 [/SUP] And one of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, "What commandment is the foremost of all?"
[SUP]29 [/SUP] Jesus answered, "The foremost is, ' HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD;
[SUP]30 [/SUP] AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.'
[SUP]31 [/SUP] "The second is this, ' YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' There is no other commandment greater than these."
[SUP]32 [/SUP] And the scribe said to Him, "Right, Teacher, You have truly stated that HE IS ONE; AND THERE IS NO ONE ELSE BESIDES HIM;
[SUP]33 [/SUP] AND TO LOVE HIM WITH ALL THE HEART AND WITH ALL THE UNDERSTANDING AND WITH ALL THE STRENGTH, AND TO LOVE ONE'S NEIGHBOR AS HIMSELF, is much more than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."
[SUP]34 [/SUP] And when Jesus saw that he had answered intelligently, He said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God." And after that, no one would venture to ask Him any more questions.

How can a Catholic claim he is keeping the greatest Commandment if he is also Worshiping Mary? God said we are to give ALL to Him! To give anything to Mary means you are NOT giving ALL you have to God! ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.

All your mind goes to God, not 50%, but 100%! If you give any of your mind to Mary like asking her to protect you then you are committing a Mortal Sin that will toss you in the Lake of Fire for all Eternity!

And yes i was Baptized, but not Baptized again because as a baby i could not give my consent to be Baptized in the Corrupted Catholic Church! Therefore i was only Baptized once!! No Child under the age of reason can give consent to be Baptized. Therefore the Baptism in the Catholic Church was a false Baptism!