Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[keeth]

Yes, and now any and every village idiot can start his own church and teach people a lot of crap according to their own fallible interpretation of the Word. A lot like these forums, in fact.

Yea, that is the terrible price of freedom, which God Himself has always allowed for by the way. Perhaps you would prefer a united church and state again which would burn dissenters at the stake. Then you wouldn't have to be tolerant and patient anymore having to reason with people to convince them of truth, you could just force it upon them.

This he said shortly before his death, actually..

. . . "I confess, that I am much more negligent, than I was under the Pope, and there is now nowhere such an amount of earnestness under the Gospel, as was formerly seen among Monks and Priests."

"After the dominion and power of the Pope has ceased . . . the people, while despising the true doctrine, are now changed into mere irrational animals and beasts"

"Who would have begun to preach, if we had known beforehand that so much unhappiness, tumult, scandal, blasphemy, ingratitude, and wickedness would have been the result?" [Walch. VIII. 564]

And he goes on and on and on about his disgust over the reformation/reformers..


Sorry that his own words do not support your own argument for him, keeth. In the end though Martin Luther did not think too highly of your reformation, and neither did he think very highly of you reformers.

I wouldn't and was not arguing the same.

 

[Maynard]

Yea, that is the terrible price of freedom, which God Himself has always allowed for by the way. Perhaps you would prefer a united church and state again which would burn dissenters at the stake. Then you wouldn't have to be tolerant and patient anymore having to reason with people to convince them of truth, you could just force it upon them.

We do not abandon Christ's own Church due to the acts of some stupid humans. We do not run away from it, thinking we'll just go invent our own church. We work to reform the corruption from within, working through the power of the Holy Spirit to drive out corruption. We do not divide the body of Christ. This fight will not end until Christ returns.
And you know what, keeth? There will always be more corruption to fight wherever you go because no matter what church or club or nation you belong to there are humans there, and so follows corruption and stupid human tricks. Surely you must understand that much, so do not play ignorant with me.

Welcome to the human race.

But you abandon Christ's own Church simply because the going got tough. Satan's done a real work on you folks.

 

[Jeff_56]

if the roman heretics don't want to be saved (they fight so hard against Jesus, so obviously don't want to believe Him),

why don't they just leave. This site and all the ekklesia here call them deceived heretics, which they are.

the catholics who did seek the truth and get saved, by faith in Jesus, aren'd deceived by the heresy any more. (it's the opposite of truth after all --- you can't follow the devil and follow Jesus at the same time)..

they learn the truth from scripture and from Jesus, not from devils and idols and statues of ick.

 

[ThomistColin]

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ existed and exists from eternity. Mary was the mother of the man Jesus Christ, and not His divinity in any way shape or from. The phrase Mother of God is blasphemous. God had to unite with fallen humanity in order to save us. This is where Mary comes into the picture, she was part of fallen sinful humanity. In coming to humanity through her, He inherited our same nature. That He might deliver us from the same, seeing that we were and are not capable of doing the same.

This is heresy. You claim a separation of Christ's divinity and humanity.

 

[Jeff_56]

i didn't know heretics were so ignorant as well as stupid - right out in the open !!!

(wait a minute... yes i did.... they reject Yahweh**, Yahshua, Scripture, Truth...... what could be dumber than that ?!?!)


**like Israel rejected Yahweh when they asked for a king like other nations have,

the roman demonic abomination asked for and got a human puppet of hasatan to lead them,

Israel is being restored though. the roman heresy is absolutely condemned.

 

[fordman]

In other words, you cannot or will not supply it.

I'm not going to do your homework for ya mi Amigo. To be fully learned, is to do your own research. Good luck to ya!

It does not matter to me if Luther said it or not, this will not effect the truth. I will find it if it exists, and get down to the bottom of the matter. It is important to do such since so many misquote or even fabricate that which supports false claims. Thanks for the info.

Very good, be sure to share your findings.

None of the above in relation to Mary should come as a surprise? At one time Luther was a devout Catholic monk and priest. Reformation is progressive in individuals and institutions. Luther was a reformer, not the end of reform and separation from Babylon, but just one of the many in the continuous reformation. He was wrong about many things, and one can see his changing views within his own writings over the course of their history. Some use this to their own advantage when quoting him, quoting him early on to support their own views concerning things he changed his mind about later. Deception is rife, all things must be carefully examined in our day, and it will only get worse.

I am happy to see you agreeing that he (Martin Luther) was wrong about many things. However, I have to ask, in Protestantism, who's authority is it that decides which of his teachings are wrong or right?

Mary herself will be horrified to find the extent to which she has been glorified by humanity in the place of God. She was a devout Jew, and when she realizes that countless people were deceived into bowing down before images of her and praying to her in violation of the second commandment, she will no doubt experience great sorrow.

I think not..... See Luke 1:48



Pax Christi

 

[Dale1701]

After reading several of your posts on this thread I have come to the conclusion that you are a bitter and angry individual. You devolve into name calling and insults. I submit for your consideration Proverbs 15: "A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger."

 

[Jeff_56]

would you speak gently to gestapo nazi baby killers ? when they were still actively killing anyone the regime said to do away with? THAT is the status of the roman abomination heresy ever since it started - it has been demonic and murderous to anyone it chose to in it's evil core ......

so , no, the gentle answer if you want it is readily available to all and any seeking truth and repentance from the killing , lying, and stealing of peoples lives and souls that the rcc regime is absolutely guilty of and always has been (it did not start good nor even okay, but has always opposed Jesus and Jesus followers),

but the guilty ones, evil and corrupt and deceived, who still continue against the rules of the forum and
against all true and faithful believers
they cannot be granted even a greeting according to GOD HIMSELF - to do so would be to risk taking part in the demonic sin of the rcc, exactly as scripture says.

 

[ThomistColin]

would you speak gently to gestapo nazi baby killers ? when they were still actively killing anyone the regime said to do away with? THAT is the status of the roman abomination heresy ever since it started - it has been demonic and murderous to anyone it chose to in it's evil core ......

so , no, the gentle answer if you want it is readily available to all and any seeking truth and repentance from the killing , lying, and stealing of peoples lives and souls that the rcc regime is absolutely guilty of and always has been (it did not start good nor even okay, but has always opposed Jesus and Jesus followers),

but the guilty ones, evil and corrupt and deceived, who still continue against the rules of the forum and
against all true and faithful believers
they cannot be granted even a greeting according to GOD HIMSELF - to do so would be to risk taking part in the demonic sin of the rcc, exactly as scripture says.

Spoken like a man willing to turn a blind eye to an evil deed.

 

[Dale1701]

Jeff you show me that I am not immune to temptation because if I was I would not reply to your post. After reading what you wrote ( an wiping the virtual spit from your foaming at the mouth off of my screen) I have two questions: A: What will you do if when you get to heaven you find out that despite your arguments God in His wisdom and mercy has allowed Catholic believers into eternity with Him? (It will be interesting to watch you tell God why He was wrong to do this) B: Have you considered getting your medications checked?

 

[mikeuk]

The phrase Mother of God is blasphemous

So you think Elizabeth was a blasphemer when honouring Mary as "Mother of Lord" ? Luke 1:43
Which other scriptures do you ignore for your version of Christianity?

That is some special lady : the only one of any gender to be called by an angel by the title " full of grace" , the " lord was with her" , " favoured by God" ," all generations to call her blessed", chosen from amongst all humanity to be mother of our Lord. So have you called her blessed? I hope so!

 

[didymos]

This is heresy. You claim a separation of Christ's divinity and humanity.

Just curious... is it ok for a heretic to call someone else a heretic? I wouldn't know.

 

[mikeuk]

Just curious... is it ok for a heretic to call someone else a heretic? I wouldn't know.

Name calling helps - how - precisely, other than reduces a reasoned debate to kindergarten.
Notice the difference calling something a heresy, is discussing a doctrine. Calling someone a heretic is an unnecessary ad hominem attack.

 

[didymos]

Name calling helps - how - precisely, other than reduces a reasoned debate to kindergarten.
Notice the difference calling something a heresy, is discussing a doctrine. Calling someone a heretic is an unnecessary ad hominem attack.

Tell that to the OP. Btw I thought you were sick of this thread...

A statement against the nonsense on this thread.
Which is the reason posting here is pointless, and I for one have stopped...

 

[mikeuk]

Btw I thought you were sick of this thread

Too true!....

 

[KenAllan]

Mileuk, have you read in the Scriptures where Jesus Christ Himself said "Blessed are the poor"? If the poor are Blessed just like Mary why are you not honoring the poor just like you honor Mary?

Acts 6:8
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And Stephen, full of grace and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people.

Mileuk, Stephen was also full of Grace, so why are you not honoring Stephen like you honor Mary?

Mary is a god to you Mileuk and you need to realize you are breaking the Greatest Commandment by putting Mary above God.

Matthew 22:36-38
[SUP]36 [/SUP] "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?"
[SUP]37 [/SUP] And He said to him, "' YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "This is the great and foremost commandment.

How can you Love the Lord with ALL your Heart and Soul and Mind if you are giving any of these to Mary? You cannot! You Mileuk are breaking the Greatest Commandment from God! Do you realize that doing this puts your very Soul in danger of Hell Fire?

Repent Mileuk, reject Mary, reject the teachings of the Catholic Church. Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior before its too late and you cannot enter into Heaven. Remember even Jesus Himself said not everyone who claims to be a Christian will enter into Heaven!

Matthew 7:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

There are many Catholics who will not enter into Heaven Mileuk! Repent! You still have time to accept Jesus Christ and receive Salvation before you die!

 

[mikeuk]

What a load of total cods wallop. Does not even justify a reply.
Mary was titled " full of grace " " favoured by god" " The Lord was with her" that is why she is blessed.
Go learn your ( ex) faith, by reading the catechism. Then criticise it. We do not put mary as anywhere equal to God let above him ( as you know!)
Your anti catholic books are not even well written anti catholic books!

Mileuk, have you read in the Scriptures where Jesus Christ Himself said "Blessed are the poor"? If the poor are Blessed just like Mary why are you not honoring the poor just like you honor Mary?

Acts 6:8
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And Stephen, full of grace and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people.

Mileuk, Stephen was also full of Grace, so why are you not honoring Stephen like you honor Mary?

Mary is a god to you Mileuk and you need to realize you are breaking the Greatest Commandment by putting Mary above God.

Matthew 22:36-38
[SUP]36 [/SUP] "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?"
[SUP]37 [/SUP] And He said to him, "' YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "This is the great and foremost commandment.

How can you Love the Lord with ALL your Heart and Soul and Mind if you are giving any of these to Mary? You cannot! You Mileuk are breaking the Greatest Commandment from God! Do you realize that doing this puts your very Soul in danger of Hell Fire?

Repent Mileuk, reject Mary, reject the teachings of the Catholic Church. Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior before its too late and you cannot enter into Heaven. Remember even Jesus Himself said not everyone who claims to be a Christian will enter into Heaven!

Matthew 7:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

There are many Catholics who will not enter into Heaven Mileuk! Repent! You still have time to accept Jesus Christ and receive Salvation before you die!

 

[keeth]

We do not abandon Christ's own Church due to the acts of some stupid humans. We do not run away from it, thinking we'll just go invent our own church. We work to reform the corruption from within, working through the power of the Holy Spirit to drive out corruption. We do not divide the body of Christ. This fight will not end until Christ returns.
And you know what, keeth? There will always be more corruption to fight wherever you go because no matter what church or club or nation you belong to there are humans there, and so follows corruption and stupid human tricks. Surely you must understand that much, so do not play ignorant with me.

Welcome to the human race.

But you abandon Christ's own Church simply because the going got tough. Satan's done a real work on you folks.

What a load of dung. I am not playing ignorant because I am not ignorant, but I am arguing with willing and obstinate ignorance. Almost all the Reformers were Catholics trying to reform from within the Church, until the Church excommunicated them and ordered their death for trying to do so. Many of them burned at the stake whenever Rome could accomplish the same. This was all accomplished by the non scriptural, anti-Christ, and purely unholy union of church and state which Rome still staunchly embraces today. Her ever increasing influence over politics today is already negatively impacting millions. Its continued increase will lead us once again to persecution and death.

Rome never voluntarily relinquished her power to persecute, she simply lost the support of the governments which did her dirty work for her. When she regains their support again, her persecutions will be revived. It can be no other way, while she continues to ignore Christ's words to His own, she cannot fulfill His commission. To the contrary, she fulfills the commission of the evil one.

Joh 18:33 Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews? 34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me? 35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done? 36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

As long as Rome continues to seek and enlist the aid of the powers that be of this world, she will also be lead by the prince of this world as well.

 

[keeth]

This is heresy. You claim a separation of Christ's divinity and humanity.

I do no such thing. I claim a separation between Mary's sinful fallen nature, and the divinity of Christ which is and has been from eternity. All the scriptures I quoted affirm Christ's humanity. None of them even mention or seek in any way to glorify Mary, because there is no glory for fallen humanity in the plan of salvation save the glory of Jesus Christ alone. All who submit to God the Father do so through Jesus Christ His Son, there is no glory for them in doing so, the glory goes to God alone who deserves it.

Ro 1:16 ¶ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

All who bow to images of Mary or any other in prayer are guilty of the above sin. They exalt the creature to the level of God. Neither Mary or any other fallen human being should ever be addressed as our intercessor, which place belongs to Christ alone. All such is anti-Christ

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[mikeuk]

What a load of dung. I am not playing ignorant because I am not ignorant, but I am arguing with willing and obstinate ignorance. Almost all the Reformers were Catholics trying to reform from within the Church, until the Church excommunicated them and ordered their death for trying to do so. Many of them burned at the stake whenever Rome could accomplish the same. This was all accomplished by the non scriptural, anti-Christ, and purely unholy union of church and state which Rome still staunchly embraces today. Her ever increasing influence over politics today is already negatively impacting millions. Its continued increase will lead us once again to persecution and death.

Rome never voluntarily relinquished her power to persecute, she simply lost the support of the governments which did her dirty work for her. When she regains their support again, her persecutions will be revived. It can be no other way, while she continues to ignore Christ's words to His own, she cannot fulfill His commission. To the contrary, she fulfills the commission of the evil one.

Joh 18:33 Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews? 34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me? 35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done? 36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

As long as Rome continues to seek and enlist the aid of the powers that be of this world, she will also be lead by the prince of this world as well.

Other than hate rants do you do debate as well?

You said honoring " mother of god" was a heresy.

I said Elizabeth honored her " mother of lord" so either you are wrong or you declare Elizabeth a heretic which?

But like all anti RCC rants, when defended, they ignore the clearly satisfactory answer moving on to the next rant, then someone brings up the same rant a few posts later. Reality is anti RCC posting is a mixture of myth and the unjustifiable that gets repeated so often it becomes fact whilst actually wrong!