Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[keeth]

Other than hate rants do you do debate as well?

You said honoring " mother of god" was a heresy.

I said Elizabeth honored her " mother of lord" so either you are wrong or you declare Elizabeth a heretic which?

But like all anti RCC rants, when defended, they ignore the clearly satisfactory answer moving on to the next rant, then someone brings up the same rant a few posts later. Reality is anti RCC posting is a mixture of myth and the unjustifiable that gets repeated so often it becomes fact whilst actually wrong!

I do not hate you at all. I am trying to save your soul from deception. There is nothing I can do about the constant claim from Catholics, that those who share facts with them trying to reveal truth, hate them for doing so. I shared facts with you, not hate. I shared the truth with you, Elizabeth simply called Mary the Mother of my Lord in reference to the fact that Mary was chosen by God to bring forth the promised Messiah, not in order to establish a new doctrine that Mary was the Mother of God and full of grace which humanity depends upon her to dispense. You may insist that I hate you because I disagree with you and will point out what I believe is wrong and dangerous, but it will never make it so.

 

[keeth]

I'm not going to do your homework for ya mi Amigo. To be fully learned, is to do your own research. Good luck to ya!

Yes, I see you’re not going to give me the address of the internet site you got it from, and you have no interest in giving the original source in defense of your claim. It seems somewhat odd that you would supply a quote from someone in defense of what you believe, and then refuse any help in finding that quote in its original context. I found an internet site which addresses this quote from Luther which Catholics apparently use very often, but I prefer to read his words in context for myself before making any concrete conclusions. The article may be viewed here –

Beggars All: Reformation And Apologetics: Luther: The Infallible Church Declared The Contents of Scripture?

I am happy to see you agreeing that he (Martin Luther) was wrong about many things. However, I have to ask, in Protestantism, who's authority is it that decides which of his teachings are wrong or right?

Ultimately, it is up to the individual. Which individuals should belong of course to denominations which teach as they believe according to prayerful individual study of the Holy Scriptures. Of course, as we know, the majority end up simply believing and submitting to what their denomination teaches, rather than being members based upon personal conviction and agreement concerning the same. This is especially true for those who are simply maintaining a family tradition when attending and supporting their church. Rome is the Mother of all such, who depends not only on tradition for her maintenance, but the power of the state as well where ever she can obtain it.

I think not..... See Luke 1:48

Saying Mary was blessed above all other woman for the privilege she was given, which is absolutely true, and giving her the title of the Mother of God are two very different things. Along with giving her that title, the Church of Rome has also given her attributes which belong only to God. Mary herself will condemn all such at the future judgment.

 

[keeth]

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[/FONT]So you think Elizabeth was a blasphemer when honouring Mary as "Mother of Lord" ? Luke 1:43
Which other scriptures do you ignore for your version of Christianity?

That is some special lady : the only one of any gender to be called by an angel by the title " full of grace" , the " lord was with her" , " favoured by God" ," all generations to call her blessed", chosen from amongst all humanity to be mother of our Lord. So have you called her blessed? I hope so!

I am not ignoring any scripture, I just don’t attribute one statement made by Elizabeth to be the foundation of a doctrine which exalts a sinful human being to the status of being the Mother of God. Nor did Elizabeth intend this in any way shape or form. When she said the above she was referring to the fact that Mary was blessed by being chosen by God to birth the promised Messiah, not that she was the Mother of God who should and would be exalted and literally prayed to as God by countless millions of deceived in the future. There is a major difference. Elizabeth herself a Jew also, would and will condemn all such.

[FONT=&quot]Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 ¶ John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Neither Mary nor Elizabeth ever intended that any should blasphemously attribute to Mary that which belongs to Jesus Christ our Lord as the scriptures above testify. Leave it to Rome to do such.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Lu 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Ac 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Ac 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Ro 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 5 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]By whom we have received grace[/FONT][FONT=&quot] and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: 6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:………………………………………..[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ…………………………………[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:………………..[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand[/FONT][FONT=&quot], and rejoice in hope of the glory of God……………………………………..[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]which is by one man[/FONT][FONT=&quot], Jesus Christ[/FONT][FONT=&quot], hath abounded unto many…………………………….[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign [/FONT][FONT=&quot]in life by one, Jesus Christ.)[/FONT][FONT=&quot]…………………………….[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life [/FONT][FONT=&quot]by Jesus Christ our Lord[/FONT][FONT=&quot]…………..[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16[/FONT][FONT=&quot]:[/FONT][FONT=&quot]20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen…………………….[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]24 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]1Co 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. 4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Ga 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Ga 6:18 Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]What need is there to go on, though I most certainly could. God is the source of all grace in and through His Son Jesus Christ, not Mary. Mary found God’s grace and favor in and through Jesus Christ alone as well, in being chosen by God to bring forth our Messiah. She was given this grace by Jesus Christ who is the one full of grace, not her. Leave it to the Church of Rome to exalt humanity to the place of God in this thing as well as others to the detriment of all souls who acknowledge her usurped authority in claiming to do so. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Hail Mary full of Grace: the Hail Mary prayer[/FONT]
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[Maynard]

When she said the above she was referring to the fact that Mary was blessed by being chosen by God to birth the promised Messiah, not that she was the Mother of God

But Jesus is God, and Mary his mother, chosen by Him. You can try and explain your way out of that protestant dilemma until you're blue in the face. But the fact remains.

 

[keeth]

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I am not ignoring any scripture, I just don’t attribute one statement made by Elizabeth to be the foundation of a doctrine which exalts a sinful human being to the status of being the Mother of God. Nor did Elizabeth intend this in any way shape or form. When she said the above she was referring to the fact that Mary was blessed by being chosen by God to birth the promised Messiah, not that she was the Mother of God who should and would be exalted and literally prayed to as God by countless millions of deceived in the future. There is a major difference. Elizabeth herself a Jew also, would and will condemn all such.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 ¶ John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Neither Mary nor Elizabeth ever intended that any should blasphemously attribute to Mary that which belongs to Jesus Christ our Lord as the scriptures above testify. Leave it to Rome to do such.

Lu 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

Ac 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Ac 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

Ro 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: 6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:………………………………………..
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ…………………………………
3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:………………..
5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God……………………………………..
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many…………………………….
17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)…………………………….
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord…………..
16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen…………………….
24 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

1Co 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. 4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

Ga 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,

Ga 6:18 Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.

Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

What need is there to go on, though I most certainly could. God is the source of all grace in and through His Son Jesus Christ, not Mary. Mary found God’s grace and favor in and through Jesus Christ alone as well, in being chosen by God to bring forth our Messiah. She was given this grace by Jesus Christ who is the one full of grace, not her. Leave it to the Church of Rome to exalt humanity to the place of God in this thing as well as others to the detriment of all souls who acknowledge her usurped authority in claiming to do so.

Mary, Mediatrix of all graces

Mary, Mediatrix of All Graces

Hail Mary full of Grace: the Hail Mary prayer

Mary Full of Grace | The Praying Life

Looks like my posts are somehow getting butchered again. Am I the only one this happens too?

 

[keeth]

How about that, when I quoted myself in reply to a butchered post, the quote is entire. Strange indeed.

 

[keeth]

Oh well, that was short lived. Been butchered again.

 

[mikeuk]

I did not say you hated me, I said Your post was a hate rant against RCC. Long on accusation and devoid of fact or reason

As for Elizabeth , she did indeed honour as "Mother of Lord" and who are you to contradict or second guess her? and she would hardly honour the mother of a lowly carpenter son, the human aspect! Those who believe in sola scriptura are obliged to accept the document of Elizabeth's statement as deliberate instruction to those who follow. Indeed countless church fathers honoured her as such before the New Testament canon was determined. You should look up the word Nestorian.

Mary was given the highest honours of any human, titled not described as "full of grace", " favoured by a God" , " lord was with her" " blessed by all generations", chosen by God from all humanity to mother the son of God. How dare you demean her!

I do not hate you at all. I am trying to save your soul from deception. There is nothing I can do about the constant claim from Catholics, that those who share facts with them trying to reveal truth, hate them for doing so. I shared facts with you, not hate. I shared the truth with you, Elizabeth simply called Mary the Mother of my Lord in reference to the fact that Mary was chosen by God to bring forth the promised Messiah, not in order to establish a new doctrine that Mary was the Mother of God and full of grace which humanity depends upon her to dispense. You may insist that I hate you because I disagree with you and will point out what I believe is wrong and dangerous, but it will never make it so.

 

[keeth]

Its hard to debate when someone is going to be chopping your posts in half. I guess I'm outta here.

 

[mikeuk]

Its hard to debate when someone is going to be chopping your posts in half. I guess I'm outta here.

I quoted your post in full??? What are you talking about???

 

[KenAllan]

Mileuk, i'm not anti-catholic, i'm pro-God. Everything you teach about Mary is false. God never put Mary above anyone else. The poor are just as blessed as Mary. Stephen was Full of Grace just like Mary.

When are you going to realize Mileuk that you and your church, the Catholic Church, are wrong in what you teach about Mary.

The Catholic Church and you teach that Mary was sinless. Listen to what the Holy Spirit has to say about being a sinner.

Romans 3:10-12
[SUP]10 [/SUP] as it is written, " THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;
[SUP]11 [/SUP] THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD;
[SUP]12 [/SUP] ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."
Romans 3:22-23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

1 John 1:8
[SUP]8 [/SUP] If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 1:10
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

The Holy Spirit clearly says in these Scriptures that there is none, not one person, who is Righteous. The Holy Spirit clearly says ALL have sinned, all means Mary also Mileuk.

The holy Spirit clearly says that anyone who says they have not sinned is a liar and the Word of God is not in then. Therefore the Word of God was NOT in Mary.


Hebrews 4:15
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.

The Holy Spirit clearly says here that Jesus Christ was without sin, sinless. You will notice that nowhere in the Scriptures does the Holy Spirit say that Mary was without sin. Its you Catholics who claim Mary was sinless. Its you Catholics who call the Holy Spirit a liar.

I'm NOT anti-Catholic, i'm anti-Cult! I'm anti-Satan! I am against all those who teach a different Gospel then the one we have received from God!

Galatians 1:6-9
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;
[SUP]7 [/SUP] which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you, and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed.


Just like in the days of Paul, there are people today who are teaching a different Gospel and the Catholic Church is guilty because they are teaching a different Gospel than the one we have received from God.

May the Lord have mercy on your soul for what you are doing.

 

[mikeuk]

Mileuk, i'm not anti-catholic, i'm pro-God. Everything you teach about Mary is false.

I quote scripture about Mary. Are you saying scripture is false?

You may be interested in the charism of the missionaries of charity (Mother Teresa's sisterhood). They did what they did because they saw Jesus in the poorest of the poor " what you do to the least of these , you do to me" Matthew 25:40 , but I doubt you know any of this, your understanding of catholic theology is so poor.

At least evangelicals making false statements about RCC have an excuse, they have been told the myths and do not know any better. You have no such excuse. You must know that some of what you have said is false. Shameful.

 

[Jeff_56]

reading the Bible won't save them. any more than if a muslim read the Bible would save him. any more than reading the Torah saved those Yahshua told "you search the Scripture because you think in them you will find LIFE; " well, here I AM ... and they crucify Him.

rcc re-crucifies the MESSIAH EVERY DAY !!!!(in their abominable practices, AS PUBLISHED BY PRIESTS and IN THEIR OWN WRITINGS).... it is disgusting and spiritual fornication and completely EVIL.

they (rcc) may or may not deny it - that doesn't matter if they deny it or not. rcc is heresy.

what denominations? any denomination that is NOT HERESY. that's the rule. simple.

ALL THE DENOMINATIONS that are NOT HERESY ARE ALLOWED on this site.
they may or may not make mistakes, even fatal ones. but they are not HERESY.

rcc is heresy.

notice that the rcc , the ones who trust a man as if higher than Yahweh the Creator,

cannot understand that one simple rule. rcc is heresy. do not promote it here on this site.

Hey Robo can I suggest you delete all the posts in this thread and close it to replies, the subject does not warrant any discussion. Any Catholics that think they are Christian should sit down and read the bible, you would find that Catholicism is explicitly anti-christ and goes against all of the gospel. It is in plain English and black and white, if you disagree then you are on the wrong site. You might as well go on some Muslim site and say Allah is a lie, it's absolutely pointless to argue this here. If you want the truth you only have to go as far as reading the gospels rather than relying on what other people tell you is true.

Ah...so then who would be allowed on this site then? What denominations? And you better be specific...or else you begin to let the "undesirables" in.

 

[WillyWally]

So who, exactly, is the arbiter of Truth? Who is it who decides someone else is a heretic, and the other is a True Believer?
Must you have qualifications (a Doctorate of Divinity, perhaps), to make this sort of judgement?
The Lord was a big fan of humility, and a 'holier-than-thou' attitude is a direct contradiction of the spirit of his teachings.
Mark 9:35
Sitting down, Jesus called the Twelve and said, “Anyone who wants to be first must be the very last, and the servant of all.”

 

[KenAllan]

Mileuk, i know exactly what you Catholics teach because i was born and raised in the Catholic Church. I have first hand knowledge of what is taught in the Catholic Church.

The problem with you is you misinterpret what the Scriptures say to justify your believe that Mary is greater than God. The Scriptures about Mary is not false, what is false is your twisting of the Scriptures to justify your worship of Mary as your god.

Catholics do worship and pray to Mary. As an ex-Catholic i do have first hand knowledge of what I WAS TAUGHT while growing up in the Catholic Church!

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see the corruption of the Catholic Church.

By the way, "where in the Scriptures did the Holy Spirit say Mary was without sin"?

It seems all you do is give your opinion of what you think with no Scriptures to back it up. Show me which Scripture says "Mary was without sin".

By teaching these false doctrines about Mary you are not doing the Will of the Father. If you are not doing the Will of the Father you cannot enter into Heaven.

Matthew 7:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP] " Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the WILL of My Father who is in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] " Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

 

[mikeuk]

Mileuk, i know exactly what you Catholics teach because i was born and raised in the Catholic Church. I have first hand knowledge of what is taught in the Catholic Church.

The problem with you is you misinterpret what the Scriptures say to justify your believe that Mary is greater than God. '

You provably know nothing about RCC because you make up fiction like that! , indeed your catechism was so weak you were prey to every evangelical and bought their latest myth about it.

For the first time in your life , read the catechism , find out what RCC believed, then criticise it on that, and kindly stay quiet on it till you know something about it first.

 

[mikeuk]

So who, exactly, is the arbiter of Truth? Who is it who decides someone else is a heretic, and the other is a True Believer?
Must you have qualifications (a Doctorate of Divinity, perhaps), to make this sort of judgement?
The Lord was a big fan of humility, and a 'holier-than-thou' attitude is a direct contradiction of the spirit of his teachings.
Mark 9:35
Sitting down, Jesus called the Twelve and said, “Anyone who wants to be first must be the very last, and the servant of all.”

That is the problem discussed on the bible interpretation thread.

 

[notuptome]

I quote scripture about Mary. Are you saying scripture is false?

You may be interested in the charism of the missionaries of charity (Mother Teresa's sisterhood). They did what they did because they saw Jesus in the poorest of the poor " what you do to the least of these , you do to me" Matthew 25:40 , but I doubt you know any of this, your understanding of catholic theology is so poor.

At least evangelicals making false statements about RCC have an excuse, they have been told the myths and do not know any better. You have no such excuse. You must know that some of what you have said is false. Shameful.

It is not your quoting scripture that is the point of contention but the unbiblical interpretation and application of the quotes you provide. I could mention that the devil quoted scripture to the Lord Jesus but no one would believe that the devil used a correct interpretation or application of those scriptures to the Lord Jesus.

You demean everyone as not knowing the catechisms but it is you who fails to comprehend the scriptures themselves. You cannot use catechisms of men to refute the word of God.

I do not see the RCC as heretical but it does seem to be apostate. The RCC knows the truth but it will not teach the truth as the truth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[fordman]

You provably know nothing about RCC because you make up fiction like that! , indeed your catechism was so weak you were prey to every evangelical and bought their latest myth about it.

Ha..Ha! Couldn't agree more Mike! It has always been to my amazment that the ones who say, "I was born and raised in the Catholic Church, so I have first hand knowledge of what is taught in the Catholic Church." are actually the ones that know the least!! Lol!!

Pax Christi


"Form henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ----Luke 1:48


p.s. good to see ya back!

 

[Jackson123]

But Jesus is God, and Mary his mother, chosen by Him. You can try and explain your way out of that protestant dilemma until you're blue in the face. But the fact remains.

I born and exist after my mother.

Jesus is alpha and omega. the beginning and the end. He exist billions years before Mary, and He create Mary. No way Mary is His real mother.

Mary is use for his temporary mother on earth. Mary is regular human not queen of heaven. no where in the bible suggest Mary is Queen of heaven.

bible said all human is sin and lack of the glory of God. Mary is human.

Queen of heaven is a title one of the goddess from roman religion. Adopt by Catholic because Catholic is merely Roman religion wrapped in christian parcel.

The teaching is not biblical at all.

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Pope Benedict IX is encouraging the faithful to wear scapulars claiming that those who wear them are in unity with Jesus and Mary.

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