lets talk about gay people!!!

[Messenger_of_Fire]

For starters, I am not a child. Secondly, I would much rather go upstairs and cuddle with my wife than to waste anymore of my time responding to your nonsense.

If that was the case, then you should have been upstairs cuddling and not downstairs responding to something that wasn't worth responding to.

I didn't say you needed your head examined. You told that to me.

 

[cmarieh]

I began reading some comments on this subject and was a little upset about what this thread has turned into. So I went to my bible and I wanted to share this verse with you.

John 13:33-35
33"Little children, I am with you a little while longer. You will seek Me; and as I said to the Jews, now I also say to you, 'Where I am going, you cannot come.' 34"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35"By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."

 

[4enlightment]

When it comes to if being gay is a choice, I believe that it isn't. When certain events took place in my life...I found myself attracted to my dog...NOTHING HAPPENED! In fact I was very disturbed by it and I told the doctors about it and they said, "given what you have been through that's completely normal. Don't worry you won't do anything with your dog."

I also found myself attracted to women. I was also horrified by this. Anyway do you see my point? Like it isn't a choice but what you DO with it, is a choice....

btw there has been some great discussion and some very off-track discussion lol. Just keep in mind that we're all friends here. ;-)

You were having an hormonal imbalance due to improper diet, and or starving yourself, depriving the body from nutrients. But if continuing can lead to lower estrogen level which increases your testosterone levels, which causes more facial hair and on your back and chest as well. You have to eat an balance meal so that the body can work in harmony.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Have you stopped doing that which you yourself will die for?

Like what, beating my wife? That's the kind of stupid question this is you have asked.

We are so far deceived that we now believe that death is natural. It is a CURSE!! If we still die, THEN THAT CURSE STILL APPLIES TO US, even "Christians."

That's a moronic statement. Death is my ticket to eternal life in Christ. What is it to you? I do not fear death. Neither do I look to hasten whatever natural days my Creator has given me. I don't worry about death. It appears, from your statements, that not only do you become anxious over it, you fear it. More's the pity.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

1 John, NASB
9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
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Sorry. This should say "1 John 3:9
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[Viligant_Warrior]

I have no respect for doing that,

And I have no respect for someone who doesn't have the decency to own up to the heresy that someone posted, instead leaning on contrivances to make claims the post didn't say what it clearly said.

 

[ISeeYou]

And I have no respect for someone who doesn't have the decency to own up to the heresy that someone posted, instead leaning on contrivances to make claims the post didn't say what it clearly said.

Stop half quoting me,


And begin fully quoting me, you continue doing that for what? Some kind of advantage?

Lets start with you be honest with my first post you had adressed me on, instead of quoting a quarter of a sentence followed by a full page of whatever that was be honest first

Your not a minister of Jesus Christ in that doing, but very few care less whether they are or not

Your dishonest in that doing, and not worth hearing from any further

 

[ISeeYou]

My horrible post pointing out all the verses which are typically pitted against

Heres a few verses, just how they are worded, all of them are true

1John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Shows all have

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

1John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Howso?

Because sin dwelleth in our members


But in light of the grace we are under, sin shall not have dominion over us

We are "being" born of God.,

Whosoever "is" born God

1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

Whereas it also says...

1John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Peter likewise...

1Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hathsuffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin


And here likewise...

1Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus,after that ye have suffered a while,make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

1John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not:whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Contrast these two

1Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hathsuffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin


2Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercisedwith covetous practices; cursed children:

 

[ISeeYou]

To his post to InSpiritInTruth I stated

I dont see the word sinless in scripture, I see he that says he hath no sin, he that be without sin, and who cannot sin, he that commiteth a sin, ceasing from sin, and likely another I couldnt recall from the top of my head.

All of them are true, most just pit them against the other and make the messenger for the scripture verse answerable to themselves, and then throw stones at that person.

Even if he is not sinning or in continual sin while posting, "whosoever is born of God cannot sin", folks who hate the verse will attack the person (regardless which one is true of him). They make the messenger the standard of measure concerning the verse posted, how is that right?

Thats what always bugged me,

 

[JFSurvivor]

You were having an hormonal imbalance due to improper diet, and or starving yourself, depriving the body from nutrients. But if continuing can lead to lower estrogen level which increases your testosterone levels, which causes more facial hair and on your back and chest as well. You have to eat an balance meal so that the body can work in harmony.

actually I was sexually assaulted....

 

[ISeeYou]

The way you misinterpret John's first epistle has you lifting passages out of context to "prove" sinlessness, however. You're simply wrong, primarily because you use a bad translation of the letter.

1 John, NASB
9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.​

Your first error is in believing the KJV when is says "doth not commit." That's a bad translation. It should read as the NASB has it: "practices." The Greek is poieo and is transliterated poieo. It means "to construct, make something for oneself" but it also means, as a passive verb "to be appointed to a position." That's the key meaning here, as it is in the passive voice. That means one who is born of God is not appointed to sin. Of course not! The believer is delivered out of sin! Why? "Because His (Christ's) seed abides in him."

Your second error is failing to follow John's logic in the second half of the verse. He says, in a literal translation from the Greek following "abide", "and no power [to continue in] sin." The word "cannot" in the second half of the NASB rendering is dunamai and, as any good Bible student should know, means "power." This is a clear statement by the apostle that it is Christ's abiding in us that keeps us from sin, not any power within us.

How so? oti ek o qeoß gennao ... "since from this God [we are] born."

You lose. You aren't sinless. You are a heretic for claiming to be. Why? Because you are still in the flesh. At least I assume you are. If you are a spiritual being intruding on human turf via the heavenly Internet, please let me know. I've got a lot of questions.

If being in Christ could make us sinless, we wouldn't have to physically die, shedding our flesh and receiving a new body, a perfect body, when we enter heaven.

You of course have ignored this entire post and will lambast me for daring to say you're a mere man who, though claiming Christ, occasionally strays into the realm of the flesh and must seek forgiveness from Christ. This was for everyone else who isn't self-deluded as are you.

Then his rant over the sentence

And my response

Yeah no one was misrepresenting Johns espitle, I was pulling each text out purposely to show exactly where the verses are pitted against are.

Commit, practice, carry out or perform, dont see the difference, it speaks of those who cannot cease from sin, so you could say, they continue to sin as well, its all word games here

I already stated it was grace, sin cannot have dominion over you under grace

And you are accusing of things I never said, which is why you can only take a quarter of a sentence try to make it like I said all you put onto it.

I have no respect for doing that,

 

[ISeeYou]

actually I was sexually assaulted....

I was too, but I didnt start desiring animals afterward, is that what 4enlightment is adressing?

 

[JFSurvivor]

Can we please get back on topic??? There have been some wonderful answers and some very nasty comments as well. So can we please get back on track and be nice???

Ok new question: why is being gay such a "big sin"? I know it is a sin but why does it seem that the gay community is suffering more than most other groups of sinners at the hand of other Christians. :-(

 

[keepitsimple]

actually I was sexually assaulted....

On behalf of most men who find what happened to you most heinous, accept our apologies. We live in a fallen world

 

[JFSurvivor]

I was too, but I didnt start desiring animals afterward, is that what 4enlightment is adressing?

everyone responds to sexual abuse different. If you have a problem with that, tell my doctors.

 

[JFSurvivor]

On behalf of most men who find what happened to you most heinous, accept our apologies. We live in a fallen world

Thank you. :,) That is much appreciated.

 

[Sirk]

Can we please get back on topic??? There have been some wonderful answers and some very nasty comments as well. So can we please get back on track and be nice???

Ok new question: why is being gay such a "big sin"? I know it is a sin but why does it seem that the gay community is suffering more than most other groups of sinners at the hand of other Christians. :-(

I personally don't think it is any bigger of sin that any other. God can have NO association with ANY kind of sin. That is why HE sent Jesus. To bridge the gap for our unrighteousness.

 

[ISeeYou]

everyone responds to sexual abuse different. If you have a problem with that, tell my doctors.

I dont believe in psychiatrists no, I challenged the one assigned to me three times and beat him, I told my own, I wouldnt speak to yours

 

[Gadget]

Wow. The ignorance and stupidity is astounding. I don't even know where to begin. For those who think the church is only for the sinless, what good is a hospital if the sick are not allowed access? To those who think it's a choice, then it has to be something we all are able to do. So you do it. I dare you to try it. Have sex with someone of the same sex as you.

As for this whole, "The "science has proven it" statement is a lie. This is propaganda by the LGBT community." State you're proof. I have the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association saying it's not.

Now for the OP (Since we are asked to stay on topic) I think it comes down to a simple matter of treat them as you would anyone else. You want to know how to deal with them when they bring up their relationships? How would you address someone talking about their affair? I find the church a lot more forgiving for infidelity than homosexuality despite the bible state the punishment is the same. AKA how many pastors have we seen remain after being caught in numerous scandals and affairs?

How would you deal with your brother or sister who talks about their one night stands? Sexual sin is sexual sin, no matter how you slice it. One is not worse than the other. I think many make more out of it because it challenges the realm of what we think of as normal. As trans myself, I am not welcomed in the church despite the fact no one can provide one verse against being trans. Not one verse. but yet I am demonised and condemned for something that is not my fault.

I have fought aginst and prayed against it for years and it only gets stronger as time goers on. And everything I do to try and relieve the pain is also condemned by the church, I cannot do hormones because... uh... god says so???? Okay so all forms of medication are condemned by god? Some can't do Chemo for a kidney disease or cancer? Someone can't take rejection medication for a heart transplant? Shoot, we can't even take a aspirin for a headache, using that logic.

You want to see the healing power of Christ emerge in people's lives, then start treating them like people. Read you bible and pray and reason it in your heart. God works wonders every day and he doesn't need to fit into whatever little tiny box you are comfortable with. What it all boils down too is that in the end, it all comes down between God, Jesus, and that person. All you can do is pray you were enough of a light for them.

 

[JFSurvivor]

I dont believe in psychiatrists no, I challenged the one assigned to me three times and beat him, I told my own, I wouldnt speak to yours

So then why are you sitting here saying what you didn't do in a situation? You responded differently than me to sexual abuse and there is nothing wrong with that. If you are trying to make me feel bad about the whole thing with my dog then bravo! Well done! Your mission was accomplished the first time I felt those repulsive feelings. I used that as an example because I didn't have a choice in the matter (like gay people) but I had a choice on whether or not I would act on them (like gay people). Unfortunately many gay people do act on their immediate desires. I did not but I am still no better than a gay person because I too, am a sinner.