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keeth · Feb 1, 2015

More ignorance and twisting. It is obvious that your intention is to deceive. Let's just end the sentence you improperly ended in your twisting of this quote.

"I have seen that the 1843 chart was directed by the hand of the Lord, and that it should not be altered; that the figures were as He wanted them; that His hand was over and hid a mistake in some of the figures, so that none could see it ,until His hand was removed"

You sir are proved to be manipulating quotes to your own end of deception. This makes you a liar. You made an end to a sentence where there was none, and purposely left out the remainder of the sentence in order to change the effect of what was said. This is lying. If you got this from someone else, then you will be in the wrong for ever using their materials again without checking them for authenticity and or truthfulness. I hope you got this from someone else, and did not commit this deceptive practice on your own.

keeth · Feb 1, 2015

Butch5 said:

I can't read most of the post. I think it is because much of the writing has been made white in color.

keeth · Feb 1, 2015

Mitspa said:

I wonder if you would ever stop posting one after another, and actually address any of my responses to your twisted and manipulated quotes. Is there a reason you will not enter into any back and forth concerning them? No doubt it would reveal your true ignorance of her writings, and or the fact that most of what you are quoting is coming from another source than yourself.Correct me if I am wrong by actually entering into dialogue about your accusations, instead of just making them.

Mitspa · Feb 1, 2015

keeth said:

I have used direct quotes from her own writtings and anyone can look them up and see that she said and taught these things.... Now you have not made any attempt to defend Ellen g white and her many errors other than to try and change to topic to another issue, because you know if people really understand who this woman was they would never accept the SDA as a true part of the Church of Jesus Christ..... I don't blame you for trying to avoid her, she is clearly a great embarrassment to your group. Like it or not, she is your group and its her false teachings that form the doctrine of the SDA. She is your prophet! I hope you don't end up in hell with her.

Mitspa · Feb 1, 2015

keeth said:

Oh so it was Gods mistake ...yea that's better

God give this false prophecy! wow! and He did it on purpose? Do you guys really not see how insane this is? You give a false prophecy over and over...it fails over and over...then you tell people God said it was His fault?

keeth · Feb 1, 2015

Mitspa said:

The first paragraph above is a manipulated lie that you keep repeating. After the disappointment of 1844 EGW preached that no man knows the day or hour of Christ's return, and never predicted any such thing, as you constantly and falsely allude. What is to be expected though, of those already proved to be deceptively manipulating the words of others to their own lying ends. As usual and always we have a one sentence quote with no context or understanding of events leading up to the statement made. That is if you have not created your won sentence again.

I have a question for you Mitspa, was Christ lying when He said the following?

Mt 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Lu 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father’s, and of the holy angels. 27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

What say you? Was Christ lying, or was there something more to what He was saying? You are great at quoting one sentence or partial sentences of EGW, and then accusing her of meaning what you please by them. This repeated practice in and of itself however, is indicative of deceptive designs. We can all take partial statements and words of others, and twist them to our own ends. Your true intentions are made obvious by your continuous spewing of one liners. What you are doing has nothing to so with establishing truth.

keeth · Feb 1, 2015

GracethroughfaithinChrist said:

Did Ellen White use channeling (a form of spiritualism) to induce a trance when prophesying her visions like Edgar Cayce, the damsel "possessed with a spirit of divination" in Acts 16:16, or any other physic?

"Cayce's methods involved lying down and entering into a sleep state, usually at the request of a subject who was seeking help with health or other personal problems. Subjects would not normally be present, and their questions would be given to Cayce, who would then proceed with a reading. Initial readings dealt primarily with the physical health of the individual; later readings might be given on past lives, business advice, dream interpretation, and mental or spiritual health."

"During seances, mediums are said to go into trances, varying from light to deep, that permit spirits to control their minds.[SUP][7][/SUP]
Channeling can be seen as the modern form of the old mediumship, where the "channel" (or channeller) allegedly receives messages from "teaching-spirit", an "Ascended Master ", from God , or from an angelic entity , but essentially through the filter of his own waking consciousness (or "Higher Self").[SUP][8][/SUP][SUP][9]"[/SUP]

During your extensive reading of E.G's writings did you find some of her failed prophecies?,.......

Did Jesus will return in June, 1845?
Did Jesus will return in September, 1845?
Did some at the 1856 Conference see Jesus return?
Did SlaveryRevive in the South?

If you did....... how can you dismiss her failed prophecies and continue to believe that she was trully a prophetess from God?

Perhaps you would care to produce the quotes and references in context to be discussed. Or are you now just another one liner accuser, with no stamina to enter into real dialogue?

keeth · Feb 1, 2015

JustinFromTwinCities said:

Ya, like there was or is room enough for specifics like that to be shared for all time. The bible would be umpteen million pages long.

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

One scripture does not serve the purpose of negating another. We are free to pick and choose in this manner if we wish. Ignoring one scripture in favor of another will only lead to damnation. This is what is done concerning the topic of the ten commandments by the vast majority of "Christians". They only want what part of the scriptures say to be true.

keeth · Feb 1, 2015

I'm out of time. Have to reply again when time permits.

Mitspa · Feb 1, 2015

keeth said:

The first paragraph above is a manipulated lie that you keep repeating. After the disappointment of 1844 EGW preached that no man knows the day or hour of Christ's return, and never predicted any such thing, as you constantly and falsely allude. What is to be expected though, of those already proved to be deceptively manipulating the words of others to their own lying ends. As usual and always we have a one sentence quote with no context or understanding of events leading up to the statement made. That is if you have not created your won sentence again.

I have a question for you Mitspa, was Christ lying when He said the following?

Mt 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Lu 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father’s, and of the holy angels. 27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

What say you? Was Christ lying, or was there something more to what He was saying? You are great at quoting one sentence or partial sentences of EGW, and then accusing her of meaning what you please by them. This repeated practice in and of itself however, is indicative of deceptive designs. We can all take partial statements and words of others, and twist them to our own ends. Your true intentions are made obvious by your continuous spewing of one liners. What you are doing has nothing to so with establishing truth.

See here is your folly....you compare the Words of the Lord to this proven false prophet... Of course we know the Lords words are absolute truth and of course we know ellen g whites words have been proven absolutely false. Come to the faith of Jesus Christ, and forsake the false religion of elllen g white!

newbirth · Feb 1, 2015

Here I am looking at SDA history...and wondering if this is indeed true...why on earth would anyone follow this religion... or anything coming from it...
[h=2]Millerite roots, 1831–44[/h] Main article: Great Disappointment
The Seventh-day Adventist Church formed out of the movement known today as the Millerites. In 1831, a Baptist convert, William Miller, was asked by a Baptist to preach in their church and began to preach that the Second Advent of Jesus would occur somewhere between March 1843 and March 1844, based on his interpretation of Daniel 8:14. A following gathered around Miller that included many from the Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian and Christian Connection churches. In the summer of 1844, some of Miller's followers promoted the date of October 22. They linked the cleansing of the sanctuary of Daniel 8:14 with the Jewish Day of Atonement, believed to be October 22 that year. By 1844, over 100,000 people were anticipating what Miller had called the "Blessed Hope". On October 22 many of the believers were up late into the night watching, waiting for Christ to return and found themselves bitterly disappointed when both sunset and midnight passed with their expectations unfulfilled. This event later became known as the Great Disappointment.

gotime · Feb 1, 2015

Apostol2013 said:

THe apostles met on other days also.

Meeting on a day does not make it a Sabbath. there is not one single verse that says or even hints that Sunday or another day other than the 7th is the Sabbath.

So why bring that up when you know full well that this argument holds no water at all.

When you say Sunday is Sabbath you lie. if not then produce one scripture that says Sunday is a Sabbath.

Jeff_56 · Feb 1, 2015

there is a very big enemy of truth, (many thousands of times bigger than the sda all together(everything, whether right or wrong)

that RoboOp and all the admins recognize as heresy(the enemy). \
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it is the enemy of life, enemy of the gospel of jesus, enemy of good news,

who first started the change from 7th day sabbath to 1st day worship. since heretics started it,

those who seek the truth don't agree with it.

(and the heretics publicly admitted with no shame at all that they had no scriptural support to change the day.

that too never changed, but it is 'history' that is often not publicized, even though it is readily available for all who are actually seeking truth.)

gotime · Feb 1, 2015

haz said:

You might want to make posts shorter.

Above I see you judge righteousness by works of the law. That is unbelief.

The thief on the cross was saved by grace, without any works of the law.

But SDA doctrine seems to suggest maybe at least 2 different gospels.
Gospel 1: Those with death bed salvation are righteous without having done any works of the law.
Gospel 2: Those who live on as Christians are righteous only if they keep the commandments, the law. BTW, "keeping" the commandments means keeping them perfectly (James 2:10). As no Adventist is keeping the commandments then under their own doctrine they all stand condemned.

1John 3:7 to do righteousness is to walk by faith, that is believe on Jesus.

Again confirmation that Adventist doctrine is righteousness by works of the law.
BTW, you misunderstand the scriptures you quote from.

As Adventists fail to keep the commandments then they are all condemned under the doctrine they follow.
This shows how SDA doctrine is based on misunderstandings of scripture.

Again confirmation that SDA doctrine is all about righteousness by works of the law.

What is God's will?
John 6:40
this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life

Are those who preach works of the law obeying God's will?

Gal 3:12
The law is not of faith,

Gal 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Gal 3:3
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Gal 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

God's will that Jesus spoke of in Matt 7:21 is that we believe on Jesus (John 6:40).

Those who preach works of the law are not walking by faith (Gal 3:12).
Those who preach works of the law are in unbelief.
Those who preach works of the law are those who practice lawlessness (Matt 7:23) as they are under the law (Rom 3:19) and are therefore judged as guilty of all the law (James 2:10).

Repent of dead works of self-righteousness (Heb 6:1) and obey God's will to believe on Jesus (John 6:40).

Again SDA doctrine is inconsistent with scripture.

Obedience refers to believing on Jesus.

1Tim 6:12-14
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life (John 3:16), whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession (confess Jesus with your mouth, Rom 10:9) before many witnesses.
I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
That thou keep this commandment (to believe on Jesus) without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

The thief on the cross kept this commandment to believe on Jesus.
Yet SDA doctrine is a lukewarm mix of works of the law with grace, which is unbelief as we cannot mix these two.

Rom 11:6
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

So if works of the law are not works that shows our faith, as confirmed in scripture, then what are works that shows our faith?

James 2:14-17
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Firstly we must remember that scripture is spiritually discerned, 1Cor 2:14. If Christians, who are spiritual, read scripture in physical terms, then we'll only make the same mistake as Nicodemus who thought born again meant to re-enter into his mother's womb.

So who are the naked?
It the lost, who are spiritually naked, lacking the robes of righteousness, the garment of salvation.
Isa 61:10
I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness

And who are the destitute of daily food? It's the lost, the spiritually hungry who lack Christ our spiritual food.
1Cor 10:3,4
all ate the same spiritual food,and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ

We are to do the works of believing on Jesus (as Jesus himself said in John 6:29). These works can be seen when we let our light (Christ in us) shine (Matt 5) preaching the gospel to the lost, the spiritually naked and spiritually hungry.

Legalists do not do this. They preach a lukewarm mix of works of the law, with grace (remember that the law is not of faith, Gal 3:12) and thus by their works they deny Him, Tit 1:16.

I have given you scripture on this point so I wont repeat it.

We believe that salvation comes through Faith in Jesus and His righteousness. When we accept this Righteousness we are saved from that moment.

Thus the thief on the cross who by faith accepted Christ by Faith. We believe that the Righteousness that Jesus credits to us transformed us from the inside out thus producing works of righteousness through His Spirit.

Notice that nothing there requires legalistic works to be saved. But also it does not teach that sin remains.

It is through faith in Jesus that a person is transformed into a new creature, the old man dies and behold all things are made new.

we believe the words of Jesus that by their fruits you will know them. can a pure fresh stream bring forth salt water? can a good tree bring forth bad fruit. no neither can a bad tree bring forth good fruit.

Therefore keeping the commandments is not what saves but it is a fruit of salvation by faith.

Not keeping the commandments is an evidence of faith lacking an evidence that one is not fully surrendered to Christ. an evidence that sin still rules to some extent.

here a simple equation,

Faith in Jesus = righteousness imputed = new creature

Jeff_56 · Feb 1, 2015

newbirth said:

why on earth indeed. why? look around - on this forum, in your country, in the world,

how many false religions are there (many thousands).

how many illegitimate businesses are there (many millions).

how many lying governments are there (many thousands if not milllions).

how many lying schools are there (many millions).

how many lying parents are there (many billions).

so, why be surprised if someone goes along with (what they know of) in the sda ??

only god can be trusted. only jesus is completely unutterably honest and faithful.

who is willing to trust the savior messiah?

most all the world (almost all the people) trusts something/ anything else instead..... why?

Mitspa · Feb 1, 2015

Jeff_56 said:

You don't find truth by following after lies...clearly Ellen g white is a false prophet and teacher...whether you can see the new testament truth of not being under the law or not...don't matter! What is clear is the SDA is established in a lie and continues to teach those lies!

haz · Feb 1, 2015

gotime said:

We both agree that often there is an improvement in behavior/lifestyle once we become a Christian.
But where we differ is that Adventists misunderstand scripture and fall back under the old doctrine of righteousness by works of the law. Adventists judge righteousness by works of the law but then simply deny that they do this.

We both agree that once we're a Christian that sin does not remain.
But where we differ is that Adventists judge sin by works of the law. They put themselves under the law, thus they can be charged with sin/transgression of the law/unrighteousness. Remember that whatever the law says it says to those under it, Rom 3:19. Thus we see that legalists are in unbelief so their sin remains.

Christians however, are not under the law (Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 3:25, Gal 5:18, 1Tim 1:9), thus we cannot be charged with it's transgression (1John 3:9. 1Pet 4:1, Rom 8:33). Whatever the law says it says to those under it, Rom 3:19.

Whilst Christians are not physically perfect, Satan, the accuser, cannot charge us with sin/transgression of the law/unrighteousness (Rom 8:33). God disciplines Christians should we do wrong.

1Cor 6:16-18
Or do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her? For “the two,” He says, “shall become one flesh.”But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.

Flee (spiritual) sexual immorality (with Hagar, who is symbolic for righteousness by works of the law, Gal 4:24).

Every sin that a man does is outside the body (of Christ that we abide in), but he who commits (spiritual) sexual immorality (with Hagar/works of the law) sins against his own body.

Here we see that every sin that a Christian commits is outside the body, thus Satan the accuser cannot charge us with sin. But if any Christian commits spiritual sexual immorality with Hagar (symbolic for righteousness by works of the law, Gal 4:24) they are rejecting Christ/righteousness by faith, and their sin remains.

Hizikyah · Feb 1, 2015

2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father.

Mattithyah 5:18-19, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected. Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Mitspa · Feb 1, 2015

Ro 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Hizikyah · Feb 1, 2015

Revelation 12:17

New American Standard Bible

"So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus."

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