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[gotime]

Ok so clearly the law ..is all the law...and the ten commandments are specifically mentioned.

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.


So knowing that its all the law..not just ceremonial law...read this scripture ..


Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

"think not that I come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it"

nice try but I have already shown you from Paul's own writings and his reference of the Old testament that He was not referring to the 10 commandments in Romans 10.

however in Romans 7 the focus is on the 10 commandments. And I have shown that Paul was not saying the commandments changed but rather through Christ we change.

notice:

Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

read careful now and notice what it says: "ye" that means you. also are become "dead" to the law.

So clearly it is us that dies not the law.

its rather simple really but Paul does write it in a way that seems hard to follow.

But the essence of what is being said is this,

Your natural nature is sinful and thus you sin. but when you become aware of the law which says obey or die then you become aware of your sinful condition and realise that death awaits you.

So through Christ we put the natural, sinful nature to death and thus the law no longer says you must die thus delivered from the law. and through Christ resurrection we are made alive by His Spirit to walk in a newness of life. no longer in the flesh nature but in the Spirit and the law does not condemn those who obey it because by the spirit in us the law if fulfilled in us as we now do by nature the things contained in the law.

The law is not the problem, we are.

Jesus did not come to fix the law, there was nothing wrong with it, He gave it. He came to fix us.

By the law here I am speaking of the 10 commandments. obviously He did replace aspects of the law that were a shadow of Himself.

 

[gotime]

Galatians 5:4
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

Good text also but what again is the context?

Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

well the problem is circumcision, The Jewish converts were trying to force the Gentile converts to obey the rituals of the law.

The issue lacks faith as it is written:

Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.



In fact its only a few verses down that Paul makes sure that people don't think they can disobey the 10 commandment law because of this freedom in Christ.

Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

what does Paul mean when he says thou shalt love thy neighbour which of course is old testament law as it is written:

Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

and Paul makes it clear that this is a summery of the commandments:

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

So if you love your neighbour then you will keep the commandments.

you see the problem with the Jews is they tried to keep the law to be saved and failed.

Those in Christ live by faith and that Faith in His promises enables them to love which means they keep the law.

If you do not keep the law then you do not love. If you love Him you will keep His commandments.

 

[Mitspa]

nice try but I have already shown you from Paul's own writings and his reference of the Old testament that He was not referring to the 10 commandments in Romans 10.

however in Romans 7 the focus is on the 10 commandments. And I have shown that Paul was not saying the commandments changed but rather through Christ we change.

notice:

Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

read careful now and notice what it says: "ye" that means you. also are become "dead" to the law.

So clearly it is us that dies not the law.

its rather simple really but Paul does write it in a way that seems hard to follow.

But the essence of what is being said is this,

Your natural nature is sinful and thus you sin. but when you become aware of the law which says obey or die then you become aware of your sinful condition and realise that death awaits you.

So through Christ we put the natural, sinful nature to death and thus the law no longer says you must die thus delivered from the law. and through Christ resurrection we are made alive by His Spirit to walk in a newness of life. no longer in the flesh nature but in the Spirit and the law does not condemn those who obey it because by the spirit in us the law if fulfilled in us as we now do by nature the things contained in the law.

The law is not the problem, we are.

Jesus did not come to fix the law, there was nothing wrong with it, He gave it. He came to fix us.

By the law here I am speaking of the 10 commandments. obviously He did replace aspects of the law that were a shadow of Himself.

so was paul talking about the Ten Commandments here?

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

so you believe that Paul was sometimes talking about being set free from the Ten Commandments ..and then other times just the ceremonial parts of the law?


2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For ifthat which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

 

[gotime]

so was paul talking about the Ten Commandments here?

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

so you believe that Paul was sometimes talking about being set free from the Ten Commandments ..and then other times just the ceremonial parts of the law?


2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For ifthat which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

indeed Paul does speak of being set free from the 10 commandments. but not in the sense of not obeying them but rather set free from their condemnation.

the scripture you quote from 2 cor is one of my Favourites.

see the law on stone could not help us, Yes it showed what was right but it had no power to save or change us. but the Spirit does, The spirit as seen in Romans changes us so that the law is in our hearts and minds, this is the new covenant not on stone but on our hearts as it is written:

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

and as the very chapter starts:

2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

notice that the spirit writes the law not on stone but on our hearts. same law but different place.

remember the law is:

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

it was glorious. why because it was the written form of love to God and love to man. But can words though glorious though good though holy thou just save us? no

but Christ did what the law could not and by His spirit he forms us in that glory by the law written in our hears.

2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

So yes I do believe that there are times when Paul is speaking spaciously about the ceremonial aspects of the law and other times when he speaks of the 10 commandments and other times where He speaks of both, but only context tells us which and when.

But in regard to the 10 commandments, Paul never teaches even once that they should not be kept, in fact he teaches the opposite.

but not as the teachers of the law kept them by legalistic observance trying to save themselves by their works. but rather by the law being written by the Spirit in the hearts of men and women that all may see the law in the person who is saved by grace.

as it is written again:

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

That is the blessed good news about Jesus. that we can be truly free in Christ from our old nature which sinned/breaks the law.

Jesus gives us a new heart with the law in it so that our new nature keeps it not because it is trying to be saved but because it is saved and enabled by the Spirit.

The law on stone only condemned our old natures thus in Christ the old nature is put to death.

The same law on the heart by the Spirit brings life and a new creature in Christ.

in the old nature sin was normal.

in the new obedience is normal.

Praise God through Jesus Christ what a gift.

 

[Mitspa]

So then Paul is talking about all the law here as well?

Ro 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

The law cannot condemn and it cannot justify..and all the law is kept in one word...love right?

ok that's goodnews! we are not under the law and we keep all the good we see in it by faith and love simple !

 

[gotime]

maybe this will help to see my point, notice this scripture which you posted:

Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

what are the possible meanings we could give this?

Does Paul mean we are free from its condemnation? I think yes.

But what are the implications if we say he means we are free from obedience to it?

So then I am free to covet? it does not make sense to suggest that Paul is trying to say we are delivered from obedience to the law.

So it has to mean something other than that.

I think context clearly shows that we are delivered from the condemnation or the curse of the law against those who disobey. That is because Christ died in our place He became a cruse for us.

Thus I am delivered from the curse of the law but if the law is gone then am I not also delivered from the blessings of the law which is life eternal? God forbid the blessings still are valid then also must the law be valid which brings blessing on the the obedient.

So then the law is written on our hearts and Christ in us through the power of the Spirit gives me a new life of obedience. Thus I am free from the curses in Christ and receive all the blessings in Christ. All mine if I only have Faith that works in His promises.

 

[gotime]

So then Paul is talking about all the law here as well?

Ro 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

The law cannot condemn and it cannot justify..and all the law is kept in one word...love right?

ok that's goodnews! we are not under the law and we keep all the good we see in it by faith and love simple !

indeed it is true the law can not justify but it still can condemn, It condemns all who do not accept Christ and His free gift of righteousness. so it can not condemn those who accept Christ because they obey anyway by the power of the Spirit through faith.

The law does not condemn obedience.

It can not justify or else Christ would not have needed to come we would simply have to do what it says.

So yes we are not under the legalistic observance of the law. but by faith in Christ we become obedient to the law by His Spirit in us.

 

[Mitspa]

indeed it is true the law can not justify but it still can condemn, It condemns all who do not accept Christ and His free gift of righteousness. so it can not condemn those who accept Christ because they obey anyway by the power of the Spirit through faith.

The law does not condemn obedience.

It can not justify or else Christ would not have needed to come we would simply have to do what it says.

So yes we are not under the legalistic observance of the law. but by faith in Christ we become obedient to the law by His Spirit in us.

So then you agree? Its cannot condemn a believer and it cannot justify and love fulfills all the law? So faith working by love is what we are to keep?

Wow your a grace teacher!

 

[Sylven]

Exo_20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Lev_22:31 Therefore shall ye keep my commandments, and do them: I am the LORD.
Num_15:40 That ye may remember, and do all my commandments, and be holy unto your God.
Deu_5:10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
Deu_6:2 That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
Deu_6:17 Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee.
Deu_6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.
Deu_7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
Deu_8:1 All the commandments which I command thee this day shall ye observe to do, that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers.
Deu_8:6 Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him.
Deu_11:27 A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:
Deu_28:9 The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways.
Deu_30:8 And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.
1Ki_8:58 That he may incline our hearts unto him, to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and his statutes, and his judgments, which he commanded our fathers.
1Ki_8:61 Let your heart therefore be perfect with the LORD our God, to walk in his statutes, and to keep his commandments, as at this day.
2Ki_18:6 For he clave to the LORD, and departed not from following him, but kept his commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses.
Neh_1:5 And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments:
Neh_1:9 But if ye turn unto me, and keep my commandments, and do them; though there were of you cast out unto the uttermost part of the heaven, yet will I gather them from thence, and will bring them unto the place that I have chosen to set my name there.
Psa_119:115 Depart from me, ye evildoers: for I will keep the commandments of my God.
Psa_119:127 Therefore I love thy commandments above gold; yea, above fine gold.
Psa_119:131 I opened my mouth, and panted: for I longed for thy commandments.
Psa_119:143 Trouble and anguish have taken hold on me: yet thy commandments are my delights.
Psa_119:151 Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth.
Psa_119:166 LORD, I have hoped for thy salvation, and done thy commandments.
Psa_119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.
Psa_119:176 I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.
Pro_2:1 My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee;
Pro_3:1 My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:
Pro_4:4 He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live.
Pro_7:1 My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee.
Pro_7:2 Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.
Pro_10:8 The wise in heart will receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall.
Ecc_12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Isa_48:18 O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:
Dan_9:4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;
Mat_19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh_14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1Th_4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
1Jn_2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn_3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn_3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Jn_1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[gotime]

So then you agree? Its cannot condemn a believer and it cannot justify and love fulfills all the law? So faith working by love is what we are to keep?

Wow your a grace teacher!

Faith working by love is the only way to keep the law. always was, that is why the teachers of the law failed. they had no faith so they tried to work their way into Gods Grace.

Love does indeed fulfil all the law. without love you can obey the best you can but you have nothing.

 

[Hizikyah]

Faith working by love is the only way to keep the law. always was, that is why the teachers of the law failed. they had no faith so they tried to work their way into Gods Grace.

Love does indeed fulfil all the law. without love you can obey the best you can but you have nothing.

Reminds me of this;

New International Version Mt 23:2-3
"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."

King James Bible Mt 23:2-3
"Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."

Shem Tob's Hebrew Mattithyah
Mattithyah 23:2-3, "The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to thier takanot (reforms) and thier ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do."



Takanot: reforms or enactments that (falsely) "change or add" to Yahweh's Law.

Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.

Both Takanot and Ma'asim are laws of the Talmud.

 

[gotime]

Reminds me of this;

New International Version Mt 23:2-3
"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."

King James Bible Mt 23:2-3
"Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."

Shem Tob's Hebrew Mattithyah
Mattithyah 23:2-3, "The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to thier takanot (reforms) and thier ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do."



Takanot: reforms or enactments that (falsely) "change or add" to Yahweh's Law.

Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.

Both Takanot and Ma'asim are laws of the Talmud.

Interesting that Jesus told them to do what they told them to do according to the law. but as you have pointed out simply by posting the texts, they did not do it themselves.

no wonder Paul said:

Rom 2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
Rom 2:18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;
Rom 2:19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,
Rom 2:20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.
Rom 2:21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
Rom 2:22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
Rom 2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?

 

[haz]

2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

Legalists like to trot this scripture out. But sadly the legalists fail to understand what Paul says, as 2Pet 3:15-17 says. It's the legalists who are carried away with the error of the lawless people. The legalists remain under the law, and being under it's jurisdiction (Rom 3:19) for righteousness by works they will be found guilty of all the law (James 2:10) and thus are numbered amongst the lawless people condemned to death.


Consider 2Pet 14-17
Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace (that is believing on Jesus, thus being in peace with God as opposed to unbelief/rebellion against Him), without spot and blameless; and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness (in believing on Jesus), being led away with the error (legalism/unbelief) of the wicked


Taking verse 14 above also into consideration, for context, we see it refers to the commandment to believe on Jesus, just as 1Tim 6:12-14 declares also.

1Tim 6:12-14
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life (John 3:16), to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession (confessed Jesus with your mouth, Rom 10:9) in the presence of many witnesses.
I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, that you keep this commandment (to believe on Jesus, John 3:16) without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing,

Mattithyah 5:18-19, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected. Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Jesus did the above. And those under grace benefit from Christ's standing.

But legalists all fail to keep the law therefore Matt 5:18-19 condemns them.

 

[gotime]

In fact I very much see this also said to my own SDA brethren, many teach the law but do not keep it themselves and because of this Gods name is dishonoured.

 

[Hizikyah]

In fact I very much see this also said to my own SDA brethren, many teach the law but do not keep it themselves and because of this Gods name is dishonoured.

I understand, because it makes people look don on principles of righteousness, this is something that is very humbling, but in this matter I think being hypocritical is a big pit, there is nothing wrong with pointing out error/correcting a brother, that is righteous indeed, but many will not accept proper correction, and I understand do what you say, and since none of us are perfect, but those who acts "holier than thou" never admitting they error are seemingly just as Lawless as those who outright disregard Instruction of the Most High. I say this beause of things Messiah said and things John said, and I think in many "chuch building" atmospheres people put other people on pedstals and those on the pedestal almost conform to this false rulership I think. (of course there are thise who purposely do, just saying)

 

[Hizikyah]

Legalists....

yeah yeah Haz the most evil thing one can do is obey right?

oh wait Paul said;


1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God?"








Isayah 5:20, "Woe to those who call evil righteous, and righteous evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

 

[Hizikyah]

Revelation 12:17 New American Standard Bible
"So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus."

Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

 

[gotime]

1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

 

[Saint-John]

A dentist open seven days !!? oh ..sorry..

 

[JesusLives]

A dentist open seven days !!? oh ..sorry..

Nothing wrong with a little humor.....I got it and laughed......good one.....God bless you He likes to laugh too....