THE GREAT DEBATE...LAW AND GRACE

[Hizikyah]

Have you even read the New Testament Hiz?


Ga 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Your deceptions grow old.

So Paul wrote that? Well he said this too:

Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."

Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."

Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you, yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."

but you continually twist.

2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

 

[Hizikyah]

and Yahshua (Jesus) said this as the final message to man, even on the last page of the final message:

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

King James Bible
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Blessed are those who do his commandments that their power and authority might be in the tree of life and they may enter in through the gates into the city.

King James 2000 Bible
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

American King James Version
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Webster's Bible Translation
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

???Weymouth New Testament???
Blessed are those who wash their robes clean, that they may have a right to the Tree of Life, and may go through the gates into the city.???

World English Bible
Blessed are those who do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.

Young's Literal Translation
'Happy are those doing His commands that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of the life, and by the gates they may enter into the city;

 

[Mitspa]

1Jo 3:23 ¶ And this is his commandments, (1)That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, (2) and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

Ga 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

 

[Karraster]

A call for MY PEOPLE to come out of the world system

Revelation 18 1-4 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

We've seen it, the laws have been changed and forsaken

Isiah 24 5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

At some point just before the last day, the Almighty will draw a line and say no further

Revelation 22 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

There are many many more corroborating verses you need to know that also pertain to the last days. Let us seek the truth before it is too late. Who knows what time it is? Grace and law go together, do not be deceived. Many false teachers have led us astray...many.

 

[Hizikyah]

A call for MY PEOPLE to come out of the world system

Revelation 18 1-4 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

We've seen it, the laws have been changed and forsaken

Isiah 24 5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

At some point just before the last day, the Almighty will draw a line and say no further

Revelation 22 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

There are many many more corroborating verses you need to know that also pertain to the last days. Let us seek the truth before it is too late. Who knows what time it is? Grace and law go together, do not be deceived. Many false teachers have led us astray...many.

Humbling and true.

 

[Karraster]

Humbling and true.

it gets my attention..

 

[Karraster]

2 Thessalonians 2 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.

The lawless one..the one that changes times and laws..

we all must choose. Believe the lie of the world, or follow Messiah? His grace is sufficient for you to live as He instructed, His yoke is easy and His burden is light. Read it for yourself, it's in the New Testament. Find out for yourself what His yoke really is. It's more than believing He exists.

 

[newbirth]

1Jo 3:23 ¶ And this is his commandments, (1)That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, (2) and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

Ga 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

we are not justified by the law ...we simply establish the law....through faith....
Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[newbirth]

A call for MY PEOPLE to come out of the world system

Revelation 18 1-4 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

We've seen it, the laws have been changed and forsaken

Isiah 24 5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

At some point just before the last day, the Almighty will draw a line and say no further

Revelation 22 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

There are many many more corroborating verses you need to know that also pertain to the last days. Let us seek the truth before it is too late. Who knows what time it is? Grace and law go together, do not be deceived. Many false teachers have led us astray...many.

that is true...and it is clear from the beginning they are in error....they no longer teach repent and be baptised for the remission of sins and you shall receive the HS.....one now have to invite the Lord to be their saviour and he becomes their servant...they no longer teach we are saved by grace through faith...they teach faith alone saves....

 

[gb9]

well, yes we are saved by grace. you see, in context that verse says we are saved By grace THROUGH faith for good works. grace comes down from God, our faith goes up to Him in response, and then good works go out. get it right, do not prop up your works-based salvation.

 

[newbirth]

well, yes we are saved by grace. you see, in context that verse says we are saved By grace THROUGH faith for good works. grace comes down from God, our faith goes up to Him in response, and then good works go out. get it right, do not prop up your works-based salvation.

faith without works is dead bro....your God is far from you

grace comes down from God, our faith goes up to Him in response

...Our God is with us... and in us...
[h=1]Colossians 1:26-28King James Version (KJV)[/h] [SUP]26 [/SUP]Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
[SUP]27 [/SUP]To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

[SUP]28 [/SUP]Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

 

[Mitspa]

we are not justified by the law ...we simply establish the law....through faith....
Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Yes we uphold it and its true standard...to make the whole world guilty before God. And yes its called the fruit of the Spirit...no boasting !

 

[Mitspa]

faith without works is dead bro....your God is far from you ...Our God is with us... and in us...
Colossians 1:26-28King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]26 [/SUP]Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
[SUP]27 [/SUP]To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

[SUP]28 [/SUP]Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

Rahab being the example of faith with works....not works of law...that voids faith.

Ro 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:


The law is not of faith!

 

[Mitspa]

2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones

Why are so many in the church not seeing the promises of God when it comes to health and healing?
Because we have a bunch of unbiblical preachers ministering death and condemnation to them every week!

 

[newbirth]

Rahab being the example of faith with works....not works of law...that voids faith.

Ro 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:


The law is not of faith!

no one is questioning that...the question is ...do you make void the law through faith...??? which is what you are preaching...
Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

what do you think the scripture means... Galatians 3:22
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

All are become under the condemnation of the law...that we may be saved in Christ...God cleaned us through Christ and gave us a new start...we must abide in Christ to maintain purity....if for whatever reason one sin ....sin cannot abide in Christ and the law is waiting outside Christ to condemn you....so one must know what the law requires that we may not fall prey to it.....so in establishing the law we are actually following Christ....because that is what he did...

 

[Mitspa]

no one is questioning that...the question is ...do you make void the law through faith...??? which is what you are preaching...
Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

what do you think the scripture means... Galatians 3:22
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

All are become under the condemnation of the law...that we may be saved in Christ...God cleaned us through Christ and gave us a new start...we must abide in Christ to maintain purity....if for whatever reason one sin ....sin cannot abide in Christ and the law is waiting outside Christ to condemn you....so one must know what the law requires that we may not fall prey to it.....so in establishing the law we are actually following Christ....because that is what he did...

No i uphold it and its true standard and purpose....you must have missed that?


Ro 3:19 ¶ Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

 

[Mitspa]

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

 

[newbirth]

Yes we uphold it and its true standard...to make the whole world guilty before God. And yes its called the fruit of the Spirit...no boasting !

we do not uphold it to make anyone guilty before God(that is boasting)...we uphold it to reconcile people to God....

 

[gb9]

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

good luck to you dude. I am bowing out of this. it is like showing folks a red towel and they keep insisting it is blue. you are doing a great job!!

 

[newbirth]

No i uphold it and its true standard and purpose....you must have missed that?


Ro 3:19 ¶ Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

No I did not... your purpose is wrong....you cannot use Rom3:19....because you are not under the law...you are dead...God already took care of that when he concluded all under sin...He placed the whole world under the law so that all may be guilty before him...