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Ok brother let me explain biblically what was going on...your conscience was condemning you of your errors...the Holy Spirit was convicting you that you belong to Christ you are not a sinner...don't act like one...If not for the Holy Spirit picking you up into a higher place of belonging to Christ...that sin would have destroyed you...most likely?
He picked you up..He carried you.... He called you His Own and delivered you by His righteousness!
He picked you up..He carried you.... He called you His Own and delivered you by His righteousness!
Some Points I would like to add.
1. The Ten Commandments are the foundation of the word of God.
2. No man has never kept them.
3. God through Moses, provided over 300 rules (Laws) to clarify them. No Help. The prophets and the Pharisees attempted to further clarify them. More like the thousands of laws used to clarify our Constitution. No one could keep them.
4. God came to Earth in the flesh (Jesus), lived a sinless life, died on the Cross, and arose on the third day, to provide a sacrifice for us. He took on our sins so we could have eternal life. What did he require of us? Love him with all our heart, soul and body (his definition of belief) and we will be saved.
5. Has he done away with the Commandments? Absolutely not. What he said was that if we believe (love) him with all our heart, soul and body, and love our neighbor as we love ourselves, we keep all of the remaining commandments. He replaced all the Laws that were required in the Old Testament, with this Commandment. So simple, but as you can see with the discussion here (and many threads) it is still not understood.
IMHO, the one thing that is missing from both arguments, is the lack of vetting the scripture according to God's word. It seems that both paths are being argued by the edicts of the sect of the person arguing the point. Let me ask each of you to take all related scriptures, and bring them together into a conclusion that in not in conflict with God's instructions. That requires a thorough examination of the scriptures of the point being presented and the point that opposes your point. I would love to do this, but it has taken me twenty minutes to get this far. It is time to bring this discussion to a climax.
I'll go back to the sidelines and enjoy the debate.
God bless each of you.
Billy
1. The Ten Commandments are the foundation of the word of God.
2. No man has never kept them.
3. God through Moses, provided over 300 rules (Laws) to clarify them. No Help. The prophets and the Pharisees attempted to further clarify them. More like the thousands of laws used to clarify our Constitution. No one could keep them.
4. God came to Earth in the flesh (Jesus), lived a sinless life, died on the Cross, and arose on the third day, to provide a sacrifice for us. He took on our sins so we could have eternal life. What did he require of us? Love him with all our heart, soul and body (his definition of belief) and we will be saved.
5. Has he done away with the Commandments? Absolutely not. What he said was that if we believe (love) him with all our heart, soul and body, and love our neighbor as we love ourselves, we keep all of the remaining commandments. He replaced all the Laws that were required in the Old Testament, with this Commandment. So simple, but as you can see with the discussion here (and many threads) it is still not understood.
IMHO, the one thing that is missing from both arguments, is the lack of vetting the scripture according to God's word. It seems that both paths are being argued by the edicts of the sect of the person arguing the point. Let me ask each of you to take all related scriptures, and bring them together into a conclusion that in not in conflict with God's instructions. That requires a thorough examination of the scriptures of the point being presented and the point that opposes your point. I would love to do this, but it has taken me twenty minutes to get this far. It is time to bring this discussion to a climax.
I'll go back to the sidelines and enjoy the debate.
God bless each of you.
Billy
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2 Timothy 1:7 [Full Chapter]
For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.
Romans 8:15
For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”
I do not fear my abba, I can come to him as my abba, Knowing he loves me as his son.
K
Well that is all from the bible says, so if you deny what that says then you deny His word.
The bible makes it very clear that you can not say you believe in Him, yet continue to not confess your sins and repent of them. In 1 Corinthians it says that when you sin, you should feel Godly sorrow that will bring you to repent, and that repentance leads to salvation.
Your actions are important to salvation, for a true believer in Christ will show it in their actions.
The bible makes it clear that if the actions do not follow, then that person has a dead faith that does not lead to salvation.
Then Paul shows the Galatians how they fell from grace, do to falling back to a life of willful sin by trying to be justified by the law. This is used as an example for other believers that if they turn back to a life of willful sin they have fallen from grace. Paul like I said before warned Timothy not to take part in others sins, or it would make him impure. You can not become impure from a future sin if it can not be imputed on you still from a one time repentance years ago. This shows along with 1 John that unless confessed future sins can be imputed on a believer.
Only YAH is great eg, I'm just showing you what the scripture say.. My heart is in love as well, and I'm not doing these things for treasure in either place either... My heart is with YAH, and this is what He said to do... He's saved me, it's the truth when I say I should be dead, I know a lot of folks in prisons and in graves right now.. Rather bank robbing, dealing, overdosing, dying on jobs ... I'm talking dead, or doing hard time.. This stuff is no joke to me, I take all of this very seriously, so when one says it's ok to go on with their life living " of the world " and not keeping the commandments .. I take it personally, because my life is His, he gave me grace to make it to Him, He gives it abundantly .. but this doesn't mean just go on with sinful life, it means go on and let Him reign through the Holy Spirit in our lives righteously with love, joy, and peace.
Ephesians 6:5 Parallel Verses
New International Version
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
New Living Translation
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.
English Standard Version
Bondservants, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ,
New American Standard Bible
Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ;
King James Bible
Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;
The fear of Yahweh is righteous reverence. Not fear as humans would normally fear.
Normal fear is, "there is a burglar breaking down my door and im terrified of the evil acts he will do."
Moral fear is just and righteous, I know Yahweh is perfect in righteousness so I respectfully fear His judgement, not because im scared but because I respect Him.
Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"
Luke 18:1-2, "Now He was telling them a parable to show that at all times they ought to pray and not to lose heart, saying, “In a certain city there was a judge who did not fear God and did not respect man."
New International Version
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
New Living Translation
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.
English Standard Version
Bondservants, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ,
New American Standard Bible
Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ;
King James Bible
Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;
The fear of Yahweh is righteous reverence. Not fear as humans would normally fear.
Normal fear is, "there is a burglar breaking down my door and im terrified of the evil acts he will do."
Moral fear is just and righteous, I know Yahweh is perfect in righteousness so I respectfully fear His judgement, not because im scared but because I respect Him.
Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"
Luke 18:1-2, "Now He was telling them a parable to show that at all times they ought to pray and not to lose heart, saying, “In a certain city there was a judge who did not fear God and did not respect man."
K
I know the bible and I know I have the Holy Spirit in me guiding me.
If you are trying to say here that in repentance, you do not have to turn and stop committing that sin. Then you don't understand what repentance is. Hang on, are you one of those who believes that repentance means just to go from unbelief to belief ?
If this is the case I can see where you can be helped again, because repentance is the changing of the mind toward the sins that you have committed that make you enmity to God. That Godly sorrow you feel for those sins when they are shown to you will lead you to turn from them and not walk in them any longer.
Remember what our Lord Jesus said, "Go and sin no more."
He did not say hey you have no accusers so you are forgiven, so go and live however you want because your actions no longer matter. No instead He said to believers do for others, follow My commandments, forgive others of their sins, and so on.....He makes a statement that if you believe in Him you will be a hearer and a doer.
K
Matthew 28:16-20
The Great Commission
16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
The Great Commission
16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mt 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Has this prophecy been fulfilled already?
Mattithyah 24:29-31, "Immediately, but after the tribulation of those days will the sun be darkened, and the moon will not give her light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven; and then will all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His malakim with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of earth to the other."
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Yahchanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."
Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."
"iniquity" is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
