25Therefore, having put away falsehood, let each one of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members one of another. 26Be angry and do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, 27and give no opportunity to the devil. 28Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need. 29Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear. 30And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. 32Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.
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Proverbs 9:10-The fear of the YAHWEH is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
1 Peter 2:17 - Honour all [men]. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.
2 Timothy 1:7 - For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
Ephesians 5:21 - Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
Proverbs 14:16 - A wise [man] feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident.
it would take up a whole page.. but fearing YAH is all over the scripture ...eg
1 Peter 2:17 - Honour all [men]. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.
2 Timothy 1:7 - For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
Ephesians 5:21 - Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
Proverbs 14:16 - A wise [man] feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident.
it would take up a whole page.. but fearing YAH is all over the scripture ...eg
Then start teaching sound doctrine. Salvation by grace wholly accomplished by the blood atonement of Christ. The law is wholly satisfied in Christ. Since Christ is now responsible for the believers works it is best to leave all that to Him.
You need to repent of all this additional stuff you place on the grace of God. Get your own stuff together and leave other peoples stuff to them and God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You need to repent of all this additional stuff you place on the grace of God. Get your own stuff together and leave other peoples stuff to them and God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
K
I see where your issue is now, you are confusing conviction with accusing.
The difference between the two is that the Holy Spirit causes us to be sorrowful for what we have done to lead us to repent of it, and the accusing is false allegations toward the brethren. Those who make false accusations, like stating things they never said, or like he told Eve you shall not surely die. Which some still fall for satan's false saying of you shall not surely die, in the lie that sin can not be imputed against a believer so be disobedient all you want, live how you want, and sin all you want. You will not lose salvation, for you will not surely die.....don't believe satan's lie.
Are you convicted of anything at the moment, Kenneth? Are you at Kadesh-Barnea in your life, as the Hebrews were? Shortly after receiving the 10 commandments at Mt Sinai, the ancient Hebrews were to enter the promised land from Kadesh-Barnea. 12 spies went; 10 gave a bad report: There are giants in the land; they gonna whup us. They failed to believe, to trust YHWH to protect them & give them the land. So then they got to die off during a 40 year wandering in the wilderness, until their children got to enter.
In 1st Century AD, the nation of Israel heard, "Repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand." But Israel did not repent & got no kingdom. Nevertheless, the Hebrews in Judah had the opportunity to move on to a promised land, the Church. But apparently many who seemed to accept Jesus as the Messiah, kept on worshipping at the Temple & trying to follow Moses' Law, not moving on the the promised land of the new dispensation.
Then Hebrews warns them not to repeat the history at Kadesh-barnea now.
For who, when they heard, did provoke? nay, did not all they that came out of Egypt by Moses? 17 And with whom was he displeased forty years? was it not with them that sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that were disobedient? 19 And we see that they were not able to enter in because of unbelief.
4:1 Let us fear therefore, lest haply, a promise being left of entering into his rest, any one of you should seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed we have had good tidings preached unto us, even as also they: but the word of hearing did not profit them, because it was not united by faith with them that heard. 3 For we who have believed do enter into that rest; even as he hath said,
As I sware in my wrath,
They shall not enter into my rest:
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
It seems to me that you are at such a point in your life as Kadesh-barnea. You can go on & enter the rest by faith, if you will abandon a commandment-works mentality, a mentality where the Lord Jesus is a judge who might let you into eternal life after some judgment in the future, but not a SAvior who can transform you now if you trust Him with Your destiny now. Now is the day of salvation. Now is the time to rest of your works. (Come to Me all ye who labor & are heavy-laden . . . & I will give you rest.)
Will this be the day when you repent of trusting water & works, & start actually depending upon the Savior whose word says, "Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins." Is it now time to call on the name of the Lord & actually start trusting the Savior?
In 1st Century AD, the nation of Israel heard, "Repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand." But Israel did not repent & got no kingdom. Nevertheless, the Hebrews in Judah had the opportunity to move on to a promised land, the Church. But apparently many who seemed to accept Jesus as the Messiah, kept on worshipping at the Temple & trying to follow Moses' Law, not moving on the the promised land of the new dispensation.
Then Hebrews warns them not to repeat the history at Kadesh-barnea now.
For who, when they heard, did provoke? nay, did not all they that came out of Egypt by Moses? 17 And with whom was he displeased forty years? was it not with them that sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that were disobedient? 19 And we see that they were not able to enter in because of unbelief.
4:1 Let us fear therefore, lest haply, a promise being left of entering into his rest, any one of you should seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed we have had good tidings preached unto us, even as also they: but the word of hearing did not profit them, because it was not united by faith with them that heard. 3 For we who have believed do enter into that rest; even as he hath said,
As I sware in my wrath,
They shall not enter into my rest:
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
It seems to me that you are at such a point in your life as Kadesh-barnea. You can go on & enter the rest by faith, if you will abandon a commandment-works mentality, a mentality where the Lord Jesus is a judge who might let you into eternal life after some judgment in the future, but not a SAvior who can transform you now if you trust Him with Your destiny now. Now is the day of salvation. Now is the time to rest of your works. (Come to Me all ye who labor & are heavy-laden . . . & I will give you rest.)
Will this be the day when you repent of trusting water & works, & start actually depending upon the Savior whose word says, "Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins." Is it now time to call on the name of the Lord & actually start trusting the Savior?
M
Ro 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Some of you guys need to get better translations...I just read one that said Jesus came to condemn sinners... or it could be read that way? The sin that's in our flesh he took and it was judged in His body...if I ever see anyone with a bible that reads like some of yours...I will do them a favor and throw it away and buy them a real one. Gold leaf if they want?
Some of you guys need to get better translations...I just read one that said Jesus came to condemn sinners... or it could be read that way? The sin that's in our flesh he took and it was judged in His body...if I ever see anyone with a bible that reads like some of yours...I will do them a favor and throw it away and buy them a real one. Gold leaf if they want?
K
I am teaching sound doctrine as the Lord Jesus said that if you believe in Him you will be a hearer and a doer, not just a hearer only. ( Luke 6:46-49 ) Yet some want to be hearers only still, and go by He came in the flesh, died on the cross for our sins, and rose on the third day.....That's it go on your marry way and you are saved, but unfortunately our Lord Jesus said there is more to it then just that.
John 16:7-8, "However, I tell you the truth: It is to your advantage that I go away. For if I did not go away, the Comforter would not come to you; but if I go, I will send Yahweh's Holy Spirit to you. And when (Yahweh's Holy Spirit) comes, it will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:"
Yeremyah 35:15, "I have also sent all My servants the prophets to you, rising up early and sending them, saying; Turn, now, every one of you from your evil way, and amend your doings, and do not go after hinder gods to serve them; then you will live in the land which I have given you and your fathers. But you have not inclined your ear; paid any attention, nor listened to Me."
Yeremyah 35:15, "Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? No! They were not at all ashamed; nor could they blush Therefore they will fall among those who fall; at the time that I bring My punishment upon them they will be cast down, says Yahweh."
Yeremyah 35:15, "I have also sent all My servants the prophets to you, rising up early and sending them, saying; Turn, now, every one of you from your evil way, and amend your doings, and do not go after hinder gods to serve them; then you will live in the land which I have given you and your fathers. But you have not inclined your ear; paid any attention, nor listened to Me."
Yeremyah 35:15, "Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? No! They were not at all ashamed; nor could they blush Therefore they will fall among those who fall; at the time that I bring My punishment upon them they will be cast down, says Yahweh."
M
LOL don't matter to you what the bible says? does it? That's our conscience...that's not the Holy Spirit showing us our sins...THATS fasle doctrine...its not biblical The bible teaches the EXACT opposite! But don't believe the bible....no wonder you want to unsave others? you have things so mixed up!
Example Mitspa : I used to like gangsta rap, I lived off the stuff because it related to my life, where I'm from and so fourth.. It was terrible shooting at this one, having sex with this girl, selling this drug and so fourth, I had speakers and " bumped it up and down the block ". Once having the Spirit, I didn't care for this anymore, I knew it was wrong, but didn't know about the radio stuff, seemed harmless right...?? No, I was at a gas station and a man leaning on his van was listening to radio heavy metal pretty loud, I felt a little discomfort all of a sudden... The Spirit was showing me this is how I'm making others feel when I listen to this " radio garbage " .. I stopped listening to it .. It's no good, do you see how the Spirit did it's work of conviction or not ?
K
Satan is a deceiver and a liar, he will use our knowledge against us. Which is the point I was making, that he is still telling people like he did with Eve, go ahead and do it for you will not surely die. Satan attacks believers more then he attacks unbelievers because he already has unbelievers in his hand, it is the believers he needs to deceive and draw away from God.
Which our Lord Jesus and Paul both say that many will fall away, and once again you can not fall away from something you were never a part of to begin with.
You can not fall away from God, if you were never for God....you would have always been against Him
You can not fall out of a boat, if you never get in the boat...and so on and so on....
Yet so many want to say never in Christ or received the Holy Spirit to begin with, yet Hebrews 3 and 6 show that is not the case. I know some of you do not like the fact that people can fall away, but the bible says they can.
Which our Lord Jesus and Paul both say that many will fall away, and once again you can not fall away from something you were never a part of to begin with.
You can not fall away from God, if you were never for God....you would have always been against Him
You can not fall out of a boat, if you never get in the boat...and so on and so on....
Yet so many want to say never in Christ or received the Holy Spirit to begin with, yet Hebrews 3 and 6 show that is not the case. I know some of you do not like the fact that people can fall away, but the bible says they can.
M
The name satan ...means accuser...he is the accuser of the brethren...now think about how many believers have been accused by a spirit and some unbiblical preacher told them that was the Holy spirit...when the bible teaches the exact opposite!
The warnings of falling away ...falling from grace are almost all to those who turn back to law from grace...all the warnings you have tried to use are against legalism...not against the free grace of God...its you and other legalist that are in danger of falling away from the faith...not those of us who are in the righteousness of faith.
The warnings of falling away ...falling from grace are almost all to those who turn back to law from grace...all the warnings you have tried to use are against legalism...not against the free grace of God...its you and other legalist that are in danger of falling away from the faith...not those of us who are in the righteousness of faith.
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K
How do you think the Holy Spirit speaks to us?
The Holy Spirit works through our conscience, whenever you are about to do something wrong you hear that voice not to do it. That is the Holy Spirit working in you, and guiding you not to go that way and do that. If you listen then you have obeyed His guidance, if you do not and do it any way you would feel the Godly sorrow that the Holy Spirit will impute on you for grieving Him by that sin.
Read Ephesians 4, for that tells you that your sins you do grieve the Holy Spirit.
Paul once again is telling believers a whole list of things that a believer should not do, and how a believer should even speak. It is amazing how Paul all over his epistles is constantly telling believers things that they need to put off, and not continue doing any more, and yet some will still say oh well to that.