THE GREAT DEBATE...LAW AND GRACE

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Thank you!

I really enjoyed this post, I hate to have to say this because disagree here...


1 Corinthians 11:1
Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ.

I think this verse shows Paul's humanity.


Messiah is the ONLY PERFECT example (blueprint of Righteousness)

Yahchanan (John) 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him." :)
I often find myself, without thinking about it, feeling a closer connection (I hope you understand what I am saying, because I feel like I'm wording it wrong) to Paul. It is not because I find Paul greater than Jesus, by any stretch of the imagination. When I realize that I am thinking this way, I correct myself, being irritated that I had felt that way. I believe that this feeling comes to me because Paul was not perfect-and I can relate to that:). Paul did so much harm before Jesus approached him - and I can relate to that. So, when Paul says, "Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?", I feel it. My life here is good, but I would much rather be with God.
 

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I often find myself, without thinking about it, feeling a closer connection (I hope you understand what I am saying, because I feel like I'm wording it wrong) to Paul. It is not because I find Paul greater than Jesus, by any stretch of the imagination. When I realize that I am thinking this way, I correct myself, being irritated that I had felt that way. I believe that this feeling comes to me because Paul was not perfect-and I can relate to that:). Paul did so much harm before Jesus approached him - and I can relate to that. So, when Paul says, "Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?", I feel it. My life here is good, but I would much rather be with God.
I understand, I think of myself as a "Paul" before I met Yahweh...

But I hold the deepest respect for Yahshua, I don't TYPE His name because it makes me cry.

He is the ONE. I love Him.

Yahchanan (John) 4:25-26, "The woman said to Him; I know that the Messiah comes, and when He comes, He will tell us all things. Yahshua said to her: I am He speaking to you."
 
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Here in these next set of scriptures which I have given different bible versions. Paul is talking to Timothy and tells him not to share in or take part in others sins, and to keep himself pure. I would ask that if sin can not be imputed on to a believer once they are in Christ. Why does Paul warn Timothy of becoming impure again do to sin?
This would have to mean that sin can be imputed and counted against the believer, and future sins are still a danger in our lives.



New International Version

Do not be hasty in the laying on of hands, and do not share in the sins of others. Keep yourself pure.

New Living Translation
Never be in a hurry about appointing a church leader. Do not share in the sins of others. Keep yourself pure.

English Standard Version
Do not be hasty in the laying on of hands, nor take part in the sins of others; keep yourself pure.

New American Standard Bible
Do not lay hands upon anyone too hastily and thereby share responsibility for the sins of others; keep yourself free from sin.

King James Bible
Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.
No its saying that if you ordain a fellow in the church who is really a crook...you are responsible in that you put him in that position of power...When everyone sees he is a crook, you will have a part in his sins for giving him the cover of the church and the position he now shames.
 
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2Co 3:6 ¶ Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Ministration of DEATH, written and engraved on stones ...only the Ten Commandments was written and engraved on stones. That has passed away and we now serve God. not according to the "letter" but according to the "Spirit"
Ro 3:19 ¶ Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


Clearly the purpose of the Ten Commandments and all the law was to make us all guilty before God and bring us to Christ that we might be justified by faith ... Only those of us who use the law for its lawful purpose are keeping the intention of the law and upholding it as a witness to the gospel.
 

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Ro 3:19 ¶ Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


Clearly the purpose of the Ten Commandments and all the law was to make us all guilty before God and bring us to Christ that we might be justified by faith ... Only those of us who use the law for its lawful purpose are keeping the intention of the law and upholding it as a witness to the gospel.
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John (Yahchanan) 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."

Matt 7:12, "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."
 
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Mt 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Christ said not one jot or tittle could pass from the law until its ALL fulfilled, He said He came to fulfill it ...that means He either fulfilled every jot and tittle or none of it. The law is not in "parts" we don't have moral parts and ceremonial parts...all Gods law is moral and none of us are "moral" ..so that just more false doctrine that was brought into the church long ago.

Now to keep and teach these commandments through the love of God, the Lord was pointing to the righteousness of faith...not the law of moses itself.....any honest person can see this if they want to see the truth.
 

john832

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I have to go for now, but wanted to leave off with this.

The same small group of individuals who are so adamant about defending what Paul said, when the rest of us post a scripture from Paul that goes against what they have been taught. They scream foul your against God, and still refuse to actually look and read what we have posted from the man that they want to defend.

Paul in the bible says past sins covered.................They say that is not correct ( I guess Paul was lying )

Peter in the bible also says past sins covered..........They say that is not correct ( I guess Peter was lying to )

Jesus says if you don't forgive others of their sins, He will not forgive you of yours........They say their sins are forgiven no matter what they do ( I guess Jesus lied as well )

I am not going to call any one of those three a liar, especially not our Lord Jesus. If they say something I take it to heart as full truth and something that we should listen to and apply in our lives.
Isn't it interesting? When we really read the scripture, in context, for what they really say the truth is much different than most think or tell us that it is.
 

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Mt 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Christ said not one jot or tittle could pass from the law until its ALL fulfilled, He said He came to fulfill it ...that means He either fulfilled every jot and tittle or none of it. The law is not in "parts" we don't have moral parts and ceremonial parts...all Gods law is moral and none of us are "moral" ..so that just more false doctrine that was brought into the church long ago.

Now to keep and teach these commandments through the love of God, the Lord was pointing to the righteousness of faith...not the law of moses itself.....any honest person can see this if they want to see the truth.
Till heaven and earth pass?
 
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Till heaven and earth pass?
Good morning Hiz.... I would just ask you which part of the law did Christ fulfill? if any? If he didn't...then are we not under it all? And here is your "new" heaven and earth... The Lord is speaking of the New Creation

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.


because for the believer...we have been delivered from this present evil world...
 

john832

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lol..

Here is what you want me to do.

I admit and confess. Coveting my neighbors good fortune is a sin.

A year later, He gets a shiney new car. Even though I KNOW IT IS A SIN, And I KNOW GOD HAS Blessed me more than I deserve.

My flesh gets the best of me, and I covet his new car.

Now, because (against what I know to be true) I have lost salvation, I have been kicked out of my fathers family, I am an orphan on the street. I am again dead to Christ. And will remain that way, Unless I repent and confess that sin.

Really? Where does it say this?

Here is the fact.

I knew it was a sin, I knew God has blessed me already more than I deserve, but my flesh was weak. I stumbled and I fell.

God never kicked me out of his family. He has not stopped loving me, He is not going to demand I repent, when he knows I already did.

He will chastem me, Want me to admit my sin to him, and tell me to continue to go and continue to trust him, And if i fall again, he will be right there to pick me up. Although when he does, it may be painfull ( heb 3) but to continue to learn from his chastening, because that is how I will find life.
So what you are saying is that there is no need to go to God daily seeking repentance and forgiveness? In other words, you only pray this once in your life?

Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

So Christ had no idea what He was talking about when He gave this parable?

Luk 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
Luk 17:4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Or does that only apply to human to human interaction?

And by the way, where have I ever said that a sin causes one to lose their salvation?

One is not condemned for a sin (repented of), one is condemned for willfully continuing in sin without repentance...

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
 
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The willful sin of Heb 10 is to reject grace and go back to the law....(the strength of sin) read it in context ...its clear
 
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Mt 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Christ said not one jot or tittle could pass from the law until its ALL fulfilled, He said He came to fulfill it ...that means He either fulfilled every jot and tittle or none of it. The law is not in "parts" we don't have moral parts and ceremonial parts...all Gods law is moral and none of us are "moral" ..so that just more false doctrine that was brought into the church long ago.

Now to keep and teach these commandments through the love of God, the Lord was pointing to the righteousness of faith...not the law of moses itself.....any honest person can see this if they want to see the truth.
so Christ did not destroy the law....
Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.



but he insist...
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
and he is speaking of the kingdom....
righteousness is now by faith in Christ....but the wages of sin(breaking the commandments ) is still death
That is why those in Christ have been remove from the law by virtue of their death(submission to his way) if for whatever reason one remove himself from submission to Christ by (sin/transgression of the law)...the law is there waiting to condemn....there is no middle ground....only in Christ is one free from condemnation....
 

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The willful sin of Heb 10 is to reject grace and go back to the law....(the strength of sin) read it in context ...its clear
Jesus Christ says:

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
 
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so Christ did not destroy the law....
Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.



but he insist...
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
and he is speaking of the kingdom....
righteousness is now by faith in Christ....but the wages of sin(breaking the commandments ) is still death
That is why those in Christ have been remove from the law by virtue of their death(submission to his way) if for whatever reason one remove himself from submission to Christ by (sin/transgression of the law)...the law is there waiting to condemn....there is no middle ground....only in Christ is one free from condemnation....
No "sin" under Christ is a sin against the Commandmen of Christ...not the Law of Moses...the law cannot condemn us...but if we walk in the flesh we will reap the death thats in the flesh...that's why we are called to walk in the Spirit and in the life of the Spirit...
 
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Jesus Christ says:

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
So your under every jot and tittle? Or are you a New Creation in Christ? If not you better get busy with every jot and tittle! :)
 

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Good morning Hiz.... I would just ask you which part of the law did Christ fulfill? if any? If he didn't...then are we not under it all?
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Unless heaven and earth passes away - has heaven and earth passed away?

until all things are perfected - have all things been perfected? Is there still sin, death, etc

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

And here is your "new" heaven and earth... The Lord is speaking of the New Creation

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

because for the believer...we have been delivered from this present evil world...
People are changed when the come to know Yahshua, but "the new heaven and new earth"

Isayah 66:21-23, "And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, says Yahweh. For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make will remain before Me, says Yahweh: so will your seed and your name remain. And it will come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh will come to worship before Me, says Yahweh.."

That is future.

Im not saying you believe this following doctrine, but the "heaven on earth and kingdom of Yahweh here now" is a false doctrine to make the Pope "the vicar of christ." It is falsehood.
 

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So your under every jot and tittle? Or are you a New Creation in Christ? If not you better get busy with every jot and tittle! :)
Will do Yah willing!!!!!! :)

Proverbs 6:23, "For the commandments are a lamp, the Law is light, and reproofs of instruction are the way to life."

Psalm 119:142-144, "Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, because Your Law is the truth! Trouble and anguish have overtaken us, but Your Laws are our bdelights. The righteousness of Your testimonies is everlasting, giving us understanding, so we may live,"

Psalm 19:7-10, "The Laws of Yahweh are perfect, converting the whole person. The testimony of Yahweh is sure, making the simple ones wise. The statutes of Yahweh are right, rejoicing the heart; mind. The commandments of Yahweh are pure, bringing understanding to the eyes. The reverence of Yahweh is clean, enduring forever. The judgments of Yahweh are true and altogether righteous. They are more to be desired than gold, yes, than even much fine gold. They are sweeter than honey and the honeycomb."

Psalm 1:2, "But his delight is in the Law of Yahweh, and in His Law he meditates day and night."

Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
 
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If any man is in Christ...HE IS a New Creation....present tense :) But maybe some of you are not? I am by Gods grace :)
 

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Till heaven and earth pass?

This is a common misconception, IMO. Most people understand that this is the same earth and, therefore, come to the conclusion that nothing has changed in the Law. The Law remains Good, but we, in the flesh, continue to fall short, still requiring the grace of Jesus Christ.

Again, IMO, the new heavens and new earth are referring to the doing away of the old. Under the Law, the Israelites were the Chosen People of God. Through Jesus, we are the "Choosing" People of God - meaning, whether we are Jew or Gentile, God has given us the choice to be His children. This is the new heaven and new earth. I know that it is not a popular view, but I hold to it. But, in an effort to be completely honest I must point out that I would like to claim, for support of my point of view:) (which I cannot prove, nor abandon, as of yet) that Peter wrote 2 Peter 3 before or around the crucifixion. But wouldn't you know it, he mentions the writings of Paul - placing, imo, the writing of 2 Peter a minimum of 3 years after the resurrection of Jesus.

Perhaps the burning of the elements took a little longer.:confused:

2 Peter 3
This is now, beloved, the second letter I am writing to you in which I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, [SUP]2 [/SUP]that you should remember the words spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior spoken by your apostles.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, [SUP]4 [/SUP]and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” [SUP]5 [/SUP]For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, [SUP]6 [/SUP]through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. [SUP]7 [/SUP]But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. [SUP]9 [/SUP]The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, [SUP]12 [/SUP]looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! [SUP]13 [/SUP]But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, [SUP]15 [/SUP]and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,[SUP]16 [/SUP]as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. [SUP]17 [/SUP]You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness, [SUP]18 [/SUP]but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
(I know, you have quoted some of this)

Galatians 4:3-7
[SUP]3 [/SUP]So also we, while we were children, were held in bondage under the elemental things of the world. [SUP]4 [/SUP]But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, [SUP]5 [/SUP]so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” [SUP]7 [/SUP][SUP][/SUP]Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God.

John 15:12-17[SUP]12 [/SUP][SUP][/SUP]“This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. [SUP]14 [/SUP]You are My friends if you do what I command you. [SUP]15 [/SUP][SUP][/SUP]No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. [SUP]16 [/SUP]You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. [SUP]17 [/SUP]This I command you, that you love one another.





Hosea 2:16-23
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“It will come about in that day,” declares the Lord,
“That you will call Me Ishi
And will no longer call Me Baali.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]“For I will remove the names of the Baals from her mouth,
So that they will be mentioned by their names no more.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“In that day I will also make a covenant for them
With the beasts of the field,
The birds of the sky
And the creeping things of the ground.
And I will abolish the bow, the sword and war from the land,
And will make them lie down in safety.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]“I will betroth you to Me forever;
Yes, I will betroth you to Me in righteousness and in justice,
In lovingkindness and in compassion,
[SUP]20[/SUP]And I will betroth you to Me in faithfulness.Then you will know the Lord.

[SUP]21 [/SUP]“It will come about in that day that I will respond,” declares the Lord.
“I will respond to the heavens, and they will respond to the earth,
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And the earth will respond to the grain, to the new wine and to the oil,
And they will respond to Jezreel.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]“I will sow her for Myself in the land.
I will also have compassion on her who had not obtained compassion,
And I will say to those who were not My people,
‘You are My people!’
And they will say, ‘You are my God!’”

Christians did not "replace" Israel as God's people, but are those from the whole world, including Israelites, that have accepted Jesus as the Lord and Savior.

The truth is that none of us are worthy. Grace covers our transgressions, not so that we can continue to transgress, but so that we can share our desire to please our God who forgives our imperfections. The Good News is really Great News, but we cannot allow human desires to diminish it into permission to do wrong. We must also teach what is right, while showing Love to those in error, understanding that we are guilty as well.


“He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.”


but we must remember this as well:

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, [SUP]5 [/SUP]does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, [SUP]6 [/SUP]does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; [SUP]7 [/SUP]bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.


 

Hizikyah

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If any man is in Christ...HE IS a New Creation....present tense :) But maybe some of you are not? I am by Gods grace :)
Cute fruits for a 46 year old man.

Romans 8:1, "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

1 Yahchanan (John) 2:6, "He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk as He walked."