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NOW that I've finally reached "THIS PAGE" since starting from pg 1 and read through this whole thread .... I'd have to say .... what I just quoted above applies to you more than anyone that's posted on this thread.
The record of ALL of ALL of OUR posts are here to be read and I'd recommend some of those threads with you and EG be read again by you to see what's gone on between you too in "accusing and abusing" and bearing a false witness against those men that you didn't UNDERSTAND but tore to pieces between yourselves right on the threads themselves ... God only know what you two say privately taboot ... Only God knows - but it couldn't be any better than what you two say back and forth to each other while the person you're debating is right there on the thread being ripped to shreds.
And you rebuking Jason for being "offended" when you're the one crying the loudest when touched?
Ma Ma Mia!
The record of ALL of ALL of OUR posts are here to be read and I'd recommend some of those threads with you and EG be read again by you to see what's gone on between you too in "accusing and abusing" and bearing a false witness against those men that you didn't UNDERSTAND but tore to pieces between yourselves right on the threads themselves ... God only know what you two say privately taboot ... Only God knows - but it couldn't be any better than what you two say back and forth to each other while the person you're debating is right there on the thread being ripped to shreds.
And you rebuking Jason for being "offended" when you're the one crying the loudest when touched?
Ma Ma Mia!
M
No Im teaching the true gospel of grace...that Paul clearly taught and I am teaching a standard of godliness far above the written code...a standard that truly honors God and His Divine nature working in us according to His Spirit... Where God alone gets the glory and there is no room for any man to boast in his lawkeeping or his "moral" ability. I would say this...if some of you really had the Spirit of God working in you to love beyond your natural ability...you would know what I am saying is true.
For the record.....I am not upset, mad, angered etc. at anyone......the problem with text on a page is the inability to see facial expressions, attitude, motive etc...... The yellow bald head with a smile states that it is all in good spirits.....people should not be so easily offended and IF I OFFENDED anyone....I publically apologize........but not for my stance on the bible and what I see from it!
First you don't read my post, then you know my style, I just ramble and not called to preach ? Which one is it ? As for rep power, pope has tons of rep, doesn't mean he's right, people tend follow what the think is acceptable in their life, they don't want to die to flesh... Up to them, the truth will be told.. I'm not here to make friends in itself, IM ABOUT MY FATHERS BUSINESS..and there really is no need to reply because there's nothing else to say on this.. Carry on!
K
Really, you didn't say anything like the above in the post below!
Originally Posted by kennethcadwell
The scriptures make a distinction between God's moral laws that are contained within the 10 commandments, and the 613 written ordinances of the mosaic law that were blotted out. (Colossians 2:14)
Just because it is not the exact wording does not mean it doesn't mean the same thing.
You said false witness, I said God's moral law; You said punishment for breaking it, I said mosaic law written ordinances that don't apply.
Anybody who walks in the spirit knows that when the bible speaks of not under, or blotted out law it is referring to the written ordinances of the mosaic law. So I did not think I had to write it fully out again. Everybody who reads the new testament that we are under can see the 10 commandments still apply, the thing is though is how they apply now.
For instance Jesus says if you hate your brother you are a murderer, if you lust in the heart you already committed adultery, and like Hebrews states that our Sabbath rest is in Him now. We are told to love Him with all our heart, soul, and mind, and love our neighbor as ourselves. The law and the prophets hang and are fulfilled by these two, because by following these two you would follow the rest of what the Lord said.
Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."
Romans 4:15, "Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."
It's either done away or it's not. If there is no Law there can be no sin, thus everything you see destroying the world would be perfectly acceptable and everything satan is doing would be ok, and it would be unjust to punish, because there is no Law....
However there is SIN; and still a Law that governs the universe, and it is called the Law of Yahweh.
1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Law is not in us."
1 John 3:4, "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."
What did, "take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people" mean?
By lawless people was he actually warning aginst people who would preach obedience to said Law?
Or by lawlessness is he warning against people who would preach against said Law?
Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
Romans 4:15, "Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."
It's either done away or it's not. If there is no Law there can be no sin, thus everything you see destroying the world would be perfectly acceptable and everything satan is doing would be ok, and it would be unjust to punish, because there is no Law....
However there is SIN; and still a Law that governs the universe, and it is called the Law of Yahweh.
1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Law is not in us."
1 John 3:4, "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."
What did, "take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people" mean?
By lawless people was he actually warning aginst people who would preach obedience to said Law?
Or by lawlessness is he warning against people who would preach against said Law?
Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
K
That part right there then that I highlighted would be the problem.
Paul did not clearly teach the gospel, and Peter came behind him and wrote an epistle to explain this to those who had a hard time understanding him. Peter and Paul both combined made a point that they can not, nor can anybody else come and teach a different gospel, or a different Jesus then what Jesus had already given us.
All Paul did was confirm to the gentiles what Jesus had already taught, nothing new or different. And this way of thinking of going by a misunderstanding of Paul's writings over what Jesus taught is what has been dubbed as Paulinians, and this style has been proven false by many biblical scholars over the years.
Questions for law keepers....
1. Was it against the law to work on the Sabbath?
Yet Jesus and his disciples picked corn.
2. Was it unlawful to use the shew bread for anything other than it's given usage under the law?
Yet David and his companions ate it.....
So, what was the punishment for breaking these laws and why were they both overlooked and no punishment?
1. Was it against the law to work on the Sabbath?
Yet Jesus and his disciples picked corn.
2. Was it unlawful to use the shew bread for anything other than it's given usage under the law?
Yet David and his companions ate it.....
So, what was the punishment for breaking these laws and why were they both overlooked and no punishment?
Philippians 3:20, "But our citizenship is in heaven, out from which we also eagerly wait for our Ruler, Yahshua Messiah the King."
John 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."
Philippians 4:13, "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me."
Philippians 4:13, "I can do all things through the Messiah, Who strengthens me.
Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"
over the top I know but using this to prove a point;
2 believers "talking"*;
*1st person quotes; "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me."
*2nd person replies; How about being strengthened to follow what He says?
*1st person replies; Lets not get carried away now!
John 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."
Philippians 4:13, "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me."
Philippians 4:13, "I can do all things through the Messiah, Who strengthens me.
Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"
over the top I know but using this to prove a point;
2 believers "talking"*;
*1st person quotes; "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me."
*2nd person replies; How about being strengthened to follow what He says?
*1st person replies; Lets not get carried away now!