Kindle a fire on the Sabbath

[Dan_473]

(I'll preface this by saying that i'm not a law-keeper.)

The Law says
"You shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations on the Sabbath day."

I live in Northeast USA... it gets cold here in the winter... I realized the other day that when I turn the knob on my thermostat, I'm basically starting a fire in my basement. I suppose I could use electric heat, but then I'm asking someone else to break the Sabbath by going to work at the power plant.

I'm interested in hearing from people who want to keep the law and live where it's cold, or anyone else that has opinions on this.

Peace all.

 

[JesusLives]

(I'll preface this by saying that i'm not a law-keeper.)

The Law says
"You shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations on the Sabbath day."

I live in Northeast USA... it gets cold here in the winter... I realized the other day that when I turn the knob on my thermostat, I'm basically starting a fire in my basement. I suppose I could use electric heat, but then I'm asking someone else to break the Sabbath by going to work at the power plant.

I'm interested in hearing from people who want to keep the law and live where it's cold, or anyone else that has opinions on this.

Peace all.

Blond here.

You say you are not a law keeper, so how are the other 9 of the 10 working for you? I assume you don't go out and murder, or blatantly lie etc....

Are you a Sabbath keeper?

You know David said many times that he delighted in keeping God's law and wrote many Psalms about it. There is also another Bible verse close to the end of the Bible that says Here is the patience of the saints that keep the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus.

So to keep warm is it sin to have the heater on? Silly question I think, but if you feel it is a sin then turn off the heat.

 

[sveinen]

Christ O Kept it A LEAP Eternally

 

[tourist]

Blond here.

You say you are not a law keeper, so how are the other 9 of the 10 working for you? I assume you don't go out and murder, or blatantly lie etc....

Are you a Sabbath keeper?

You know David said many times that he delighted in keeping God's law and wrote many Psalms about it. There is also another Bible verse close to the end of the Bible that says Here is the patience of the saints that keep the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus.

So to keep warm is it sin to have the heater on? Silly question I think, but if you feel it is a sin then turn off the heat.

Why is the thermostat set so low?

 

[JesusLives]

Why is the thermostat set so low?

That would be because I am menopausal and not because I am a Sabbath keeper....love you honey. Blond out.

 

[Jason0047]

That would be because I am menopausal and not because I am a Sabbath keeper....love you honey. Blond out.

You are a Sabbath keeper in Christ. For Jesus Christ is our eternal Sabbath and rest. We are not under the Law of Moses anymore. For one man esteems every day alike and another man esteems a day different than a another. Paul says, let every man be persuaded in his own mind (Romans 14:5). Meaning, we have the option of esteeming every day alike in our worship and rest in the Lord. If Paul was dead set on a specific day to rest, then the words in Romans 14:5 would not exist.

 

[Chopper]

Remember the one who went into the temple and ate of the shewbread? Was he wrong? What of the words spoken by ha'Mashiah Yahushua, about helping someone on the Sabbath? Do not be too hard on yourself in trying to keep the Torah. Only to him who believe it to be sin is it sin. It is your own conviction by the Ruah that guides you to Truth.

 

[JesusLives]

You are a Sabbath keeper in Christ. For Jesus Christ is our eternal Sabbath and rest. We are not under the Law of Moses anymore. For one man esteems every day alike and another man esteems a day different than a another. Paul says, let every man be persuaded in his own mind (Romans 14:5). Meaning, we have the option of esteeming every day alike in our worship and rest in the Lord. If Paul was dead set on a specific day to rest, then the words in Romans 14:5 would not exist.

You are correct I am not under Moses law, I am to obey God's law that He took the time to write with His own finger. He asked me to Remember His Creation Sabbath not a Jewish Sabbath. Otherwise God's creation week would only consist of 6 days, But He rested on a 7th day and Hallowed it, Sanctified it and then on Mt Sinai asked us to Remember it as it even talks about creation in the fourth commandment.

Jesus kept this law for me perfectly and even He rested over the Sabbath in death and rose after it was over. Jesus went to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, Paul went to worship on the Sabbath day. I do rest in Jesus, but Jesus and Paul were both Sabbath keepers, me too. I don't say that you have to as it is your choice to make, but as for me and my house we will serve the Lord and what He has asked me to Remember to do.

 

[Chopper]

Isa 66:22-23 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith YHWH, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith YHWH.

 

[Jason0047]

You are correct I am not under Moses law, I am to obey God's law that He took the time to write with His own finger. He asked me to Remember His Creation Sabbath not a Jewish Sabbath. Otherwise God's creation week would only consist of 6 days, But He rested on a 7th day and Hallowed it, Sanctified it and then on Mt Sinai asked us to Remember it as it even talks about creation in the fourth commandment.

Jesus kept this law for me perfectly and even He rested over the Sabbath in death and rose after it was over. Jesus went to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, Paul went to worship on the Sabbath day. I do rest in Jesus, but Jesus and Paul were both Sabbath keepers, me too. I don't say that you have to as it is your choice to make, but as for me and my house we will serve the Lord and what He has asked me to Remember to do.

Yes, I believe in Romans 14:5. You can regard a specific day over another or regard everday alike in your rest and worship of the Lord.

But I don't see how we disagree in your quote of Joshua 24:15 about how you will serve the Lord whereas I do not. Maybe that was not your intention. But that is what the passage is saying. It's a passage that is spoken as a dividing line with the speaker being on God's side calling people to make a choice in serving the Lord.

 

[Chopper]

Interesting...

As quoted from wikipedia:

Baal, also rendered Baʿal (Biblical Hebrew בַּעַל, pronounced [ˈbaʕal]), is a North-West Semitic title and honorific meaning "master" or "lord"[SUP][1][/SUP] that is used for various gods who were patrons of cities in the Levant and Asia Minor, cognate to Akkadian Bēlu. A Baalist or Baalite means a worshipper of Baal.
"Baal" may refer to any god and even to human officials. In some texts it is used for Hadad, a god of thunderstorms, fertility and agriculture, and the lord of Heaven. Since only priests were allowed to utter his divine name, Hadad, Ba‛al was commonly used. Nevertheless, few if any biblical uses of "Baal" refer to Hadad, the lord over the assembly of gods on the holy mount of Heaven; most refer to a variety of local spirit-deities worshiped as cult images, each called baal and regarded in the Hebrew Bible in that context as a false god.

Lord is traditionally an appellation[SUP][1][/SUP] for a person or deity who has authority, control, or power over others; a master, chief, or ruler.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP] In only a few cases is "lord" a formal title in itself, most commonly that of Lord of the Manor(now largely historical) and certain other vestigial titles from the age of feudalism such as Lord of Mann. More generally, Lord is a generic term applied, for example, to people who hold a title of the peerage in the United Kingdom, or are entitled to courtesy titles, or to refer to a group or body of peers.

 

[JesusLives]

Yes, I believe in Romans 14:5. You can regard a specific day over another or regard everday alike in your rest and worship of the Lord.

But I don't see how we disagree in your quote of Joshua 24:15 about how you will serve the Lord whereas I do not. Maybe that was not your intention. But that is what the passage is saying. It's a passage that is spoken as a dividing line with the speaker being on God's side calling people to make a choice in serving the Lord.

We agree it is a choice.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Keeping the Sabbath holy is a command given to us by our God, the reason for this because it was looking forward to our Lord and when He came and died on the cross so that we can have rest in Him.
Hebrews 4 shows that our Sabbath rest is in our Lord Jesus Christ now, by our love and obedience to Him.

The way it is to be observed in the NT is different then the OT, and we are not bound to not working on the Sabbath day rather you consider it to be Saturday or Sunday. Romans 14 like has been mentioned already is a great example of this, as long as you give the day and all you do in that day to God, you honor Him which keeps it holy.


[h=1]Numbers 15:32-36[/h][h=3]Sabbath-breaking Punished[/h]32 Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who foundhim gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation; 34 and they put him in [a]custody because it had not been [b]declared what should be done to him. 35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him [c]to death with stones, just as the Lord had commanded Moses.

Now lets look how the Lord changed this in the new testament;


[h=1]Matthew 12:1-10English Standard Version (ESV)[/h][h=3]Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath[/h]12 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry, and they began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. 2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, “Look, your disciples are doingwhat is not lawful to do on the Sabbath.” 3 He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, and those who were with him: 4 how he entered the house of God and ate the bread of the Presence, which it was not lawful for him to eat nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?5 Or have you not read in the Law how on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are guiltless? 6I tell you, something greater than the temple is here. 7 And if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.”


[h=1]John 5:8-15[/h]8 Then Jesus said to him, “Get up! Pick up your mat and walk.” 9 At once the man was cured; he picked up his mat and walked.
The day on which this took place was a Sabbath, 10 and so the Jewish leaderssaid to the man who had been healed, “It is the Sabbath; the law forbids you to carry your mat.”
11 But he replied, “The man who made me well said to me, ‘Pick up your mat and walk.’ ”


The observance of the Sabbath is now different, as the rest is in our Lord Jesus, and does not hold on the law of rather we should work or not work. It holds on to if what we do is done for the Lord our God.

 

[JesusIsAll]

This is very sad. One can only expect the Pharisees of CC, at least those who live in the northern tier, unlikely to survive winter. Unless, of course, they're just trolls of an oddball gospel, that can always gets some of you going, thread after thread? Now, let us all stand and repeat ourselves five hundred pages more... (Perhaps we need a thread, "How Many Times Saying the Same Thing is Enough?")

1 Timothy 6:4-5 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

 

[Dan_473]

Blond here.

You say you are not a law keeper, so how are the other 9 of the 10 working for you? I assume you don't go out and murder, or blatantly lie etc....

Are you a Sabbath keeper?

You know David said many times that he delighted in keeping God's law and wrote many Psalms about it. There is also another Bible verse close to the end of the Bible that says Here is the patience of the saints that keep the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus.

So to keep warm is it sin to have the heater on? Silly question I think, but if you feel it is a sin then turn off the heat.

Thanks for your input!

"You say you are not a law keeper, so how are the other 9 of the 10 working for you?"
I don't pay attention to them. If I end up keeping some of them in the process of loving, valueing other people, then I suppose I keep those.

"Are you a Sabbath keeper?"
No.

"So to keep warm is it sin to have the heater on?"
I would think so.


"Silly question I think, but if you feel it is a sin then turn off the heat."
Do you have experience sitting inside of a 40 degree house? If not, it might be an eye-opener.

 

[Dan_473]

Isa 66:22-23 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith YHWH, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith YHWH.

In your opinion, will there be really cold weather then?

 

[Flamingspirit]

To "kindle a fire" is symbolic. It is not literal.

Deuteronomy 32

21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.


22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.


23 I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them.


24 They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust.


25 The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs.


26 I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:

Isaiah 47

13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.


14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.


15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast laboured, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee.

Obadiah 1

16 For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.


17 But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.


18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the Lord hath spoken it.

So the house of Jacob is the fire. The house of Joseph is the flame. And the house of Esau is the stubble! Question is, what does it all mean? I can tell you, and yes it ties into what I've been saying all this time too!

 

[Yahshua]

Let me show the difference between reading the letter of the law rather than interpreting the spirit of the same law in context:

Reading the letter (which kills and enslaves)...

Exodus 35:3

"You shall not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day."​

...See what I did there with this picture? I only went as deep as the "letters" I was reading. I only performed a superficial interpretation of the verse; no context, no meaning, no depth, no Spirit...and so I read this passage from Exodus to mean to me "on the Sabbath people aren't allowed to use their Amazon tablets if it's particularly a Kindle Fire". So instead of getting the point (i.e. Spirit) of the command in its full meaning, my "letters only" interpretation of this command has led to further bondage for people. Then the flesh has just cause to ignore such a law because it's been reduced to a ridiculous notion.

[..I can then go off on tangents of ridiculous notions and make snap judgments of those who keep the Sabbath; calling them names n' such.]

The flesh is quick to read just the letter because the flesh is superficial; only caring about the outside; not even an inch thick. No depth. The flesh also doesn't want any part of obedience to God and it will find any opportunity to justify that disobedience. Whereas the Spirit searches (yea) the *deep* things of God and delights in obeying him in any way because of love.


Reading the Spirit of this law (which brings life)...

Exodus 35:1-3

"Then Moses assembled all the congregation of the sons of Israel, and said to them, "These are the things that the LORD has commanded you to do:

For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a Sabbath of complete rest to the LORD; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. "You shall not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day."​

In context, fire was the chief energy source & tool for "work" back in the time of ancient Israel: Metallurgy/Smithing, cooking, light source, etc. It was the symbol of work and self-sufficiency, however God commands to keep the 7th day set apart from the rest of the days, holy to him. The Spirit of the Sabbath law is this: "Keep the Sabbath day holy. Don't pursue your own interests on that day, but enjoy the Sabbath and speak of it with delight as the LORD's holy day." (Isaiah 58:13). Anyone who can successfully do this will live. It's the day God set apart for just you and him. So toss all of the world's cares away for just this one day because he'll honor you and keep/preserve/maintain you...

...just like he allowed the manna to stretch on the Sabbath day (allowing double portion to fall on the day before) for Israel when walking in the wilderness.

...and just like he kept the fire from harming his three witnesses in Babylon when placed in the furnace. If he can do that with fire, is he not capable to do the same in the cold?

...or do we not have faith that he will?

Are we so focused on self-sustaining that we do not have faith that God will sustain us? This is how faith and obedience are inexorably bound together. One can't talk about faith in God without obedience.

 

[ChristIsGod]

1 Timothy 6:4-5 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Reverse two words in this text --- gain and godliness - and then the whole of that verse, after those two words are reversed, is how some of us feel that we are being judged.

Believe it or not, we have feelings too. I know it's hard to believe for some. I do understand that as well.

 

[violakat]

[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath." Mark 2:27.[/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Interestingly enough, they were debating similar topics even back then.[/FONT]