2 Kinds Of Faith

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

there is only one faith in Christ....the problem is some want faith without works(faith alone).....which the scripture teaches is dead...and James ask them to show their faith without works....and no one can

Brother newbirth,
Thank you for answering the question, i'm glad that the verses used in the op didn't stumble you like it did others. Pretty simple question, no?...... Btw James is right, and in the simplest terms.......to the natural faith, we say be a good boy or girl, read your bible,believe,repent, pray and do your best to follow what Jesus commanded us to do and wait for the day to dawn and for the day star to arise in your heart. To the supernatural faith....... you have an unction from the Holy One and know all things,....... and are established in the present truth, and.......you don't need any man to teach you.

Baptism is a fine and blessed thing for a believer in Christ to receive, the Apostles did it, just like John the baptist. It was very popular back then in the first century as it pointed to God being actively involved in saving our souls by bringing us back to Him and pointed to Christ the author and finisher of our Salvation. You do well to promote baptism brother just like the Apostles did, but there is a lot more to being a Christian then baptism. i'm sure you would agree to that because after baptism those who are learning the right way may often come to you and say brother how should i handle this or that. Then you say brother the Lord says go this way. Once again thank you for answering the question brother newbirth

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

there are two types of faith, at all, rather, there is only one faith.

"there is only one faith",......thanks for your input JesusIsAll,....... "The Lord keep you, brother!"

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

[SUP]Rom. 1:16 [/SUP]For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Your friend in Christ
pug32

faith to faith i like that thanks brother pug32

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

There is only one faith in the Lord.

The Christian population has turned it into two.
You have some Christians that have been taught a true faith in the Lord.
Then you have other Christians who have been taught a mere, easy believism faith.

"One faith" Thank you for your input brother kennethcadwell. Btw i like your avatar. Is that your daughter in that picture with you?

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

There is but one faith. Even the devils believe and tremble. The problem comes is what we place our genuine faith in! Things that neither move, talk or hear and can see, or do we place it in that which is living?

"one faith" thank you brother Flamingspirit, yeah, i agree, putting faith in idols is bad.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Hello GracethroughfaithinChrist
IMO there is a faith that people in the world use and it is based on sense knowledge(five senses)meaning that a person only believes in what they can see,taste,hear,smell or feel in the physical

The faith that Christians have is based on believing in what they cannot see,taste,hear,smell or feel.

Remember doubting Thomas.

John 20:24-29
king james version(kjv)

[SUP]24.)[/SUP] But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
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25.)[/SUP] The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe
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[/SUP][SUP]26.)[/SUP] And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
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27.)[/SUP] Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
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28.)[/SUP] And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
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29.)[/SUP] Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Thanks for your input brother seed_time_harvest,.......natural faith is of the carnal minds knowledge and of the human senses, supernatural faith is believing beyond the carnal minds knowledge and senses, nice

 

[JesusIsAll]

"there is only one faith",......thanks for your input JesusIsAll,....... "The Lord keep you, brother!"

The Lord keep you, too, brother!

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

You hinted at it, but one is not faith at all. Genuine Faith is WAY BEYOND KNOWING WHO HE IS, it involves having a personal relationship with HIM in your heart where you willingly from the heart submit to HIM as LORD, meaning MASTER; and geniunely KNOW HIM AND LOVE HIM.


False Faith = ONLY know about Him and acknowledging that the stories about Him are true. EVEN THE DEMONS BELIEVE THAT MUCH.

True Faith = Knowing for sure you are in HIS spiritual body, and that HE is genuinely in you controlling your life, because you willingly got DOWN of the throne in your heart and GAVE THAT THRONE TO JESUS CHRIST. YOUR LOVE FOR HIM, produces a STRONG DESIRE to OBEY HIM, because HE FIRST LOVED YOU. The spiritual inner personal relationship between you and Jesus Christ, is a VERY REAL in the person with True Faith. That kind of TRUE FAITH, will produce in you a genuine HUNGER TO STUDY AND UNDERSTAND HIS WORD.

The distance between False Faith and True Faith is the same distance between your brain between your ears and your heart.

Those on the Broad Road to Destruction having entered through the wide easy gate of only having intellectual knowledge of HIM, have False Faith;

Those on the Narrow Road to Life Eternal, have entered through the NARROW GATE of having submitted to HIM from that heart, receiving HIM AS LORD AND MASTER, have True Faith.

Matthew 7:13-14 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Matthew 7:23 (NKJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Brother VCO, thank you for your input here, i appreciate it. True faith vs false faith. Also thank you for the other fine points you made with scripture here

 

[kennethcadwell]

"One faith" Thank you for your input brother kennethcadwell. Btw i like your avatar. Is that your daughter in that picture with you?

No that is my soon to be wife, but I am sure she would get a kick out of you thinking she looks that young to be my daughter....lol
I am 38 and she is 34...

 

[newbirth]

Brother newbirth,
Thank you for answering the question, i'm glad that the verses used in the op didn't stumble you like it did others. Pretty simple question, no?...... Btw James is right, and in the simplest terms.......to the natural faith, we say be a good boy or girl, read your bible,believe,repent, pray and do your best to follow what Jesus commanded us to do and wait for the day to dawn and for the day star to arise in your heart. To the supernatural faith....... you have an unction from the Holy One and know all things,....... and are established in the present truth, and.......you don't need any man to teach you.

Baptism is a fine and blessed thing for a believer in Christ to receive, the Apostles did it, just like John the baptist. It was very popular back then in the first century as it pointed to God being actively involved in saving our souls by bringing us back to Him and pointed to Christ the author and finisher of our Salvation. You do well to promote baptism brother just like the Apostles did, but there is a lot more to being a Christian then baptism. i'm sure you would agree to that because after baptism those who are learning the right way may often come to you and say brother how should i handle this or that. Then you say brother the Lord says go this way. Once again thank you for answering the question brother newbirth

give all the praise to God brother....we can do nothing without him.....I just quote the word...God is good

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

No that is my soon to be wife, but I am sure she would get a kick out of you thinking she looks that young to be my daughter....lol
I am 38 and she is 34...

Thanks for bringing clarity brother,
having a young and pretty looking wife is always nice on the eyes to her husband, as you grow old and ugly she will remain young and pretty......lol j/k
In all seriousness, i wish you and your wife a happy and blessed marriage brother....... and btw, from a guy who's been married a long time,....... make sure and tell your wife how much you appreciate her, love her and how much you need her in your life, and always make peace with her before things get to out of hand if you have any challenges that come up.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

To take it a bit further, the demons do not have saving faith because no promise was made to them...Christ was made man, not an angel. It requires a promise for faith to exist; no promise given to the demons.

Brother crossnote,
thanks for your input, sorry for the confusion,.......
btw, i would just like to say your lamb avatar looks a little bloated, perhaps it's holding in a little to much flatulence? i doubt others here would mention that to you but you may want to allow him to stretch his legs and relieve himself sometime

To everyone that stopped in here, thank you for sharing your knowledge and adding to the conversation

 

[VCO]

there is only one faith in Christ....the problem is some want faith without works(faith alone).....which the scripture teaches is dead...and James ask them to show their faith without works....and no one can

I would have said MOST want to believe that head knowledge about Christ is enough, and that FAITH that did bring SALVATION, will manifest that SALVATION WAS REAL, in the form of good works, obedience, and good fruit, especially LOVE, is not necessary.

 

[crossnote]

There is no such thing as a faith without works. There may be a profession of 'I believe ' without works, but Faith Alone receives the promise of eternal life thru Christ's redemption AND the Holy Spirit AND the new birth all of which produce fruit of character and good works in the Christian. So faith Alone is not dead if it is more than profession.

bro James says so I believe James.... [SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.



Do I need to repost ....James says ...
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
you want to be saved by faith alone.....look at that rubbish you posted...that is not scripture..it is your opinion...it is either James is lying or you are lying...you say there is no such thing as faith without works James says there is...I am putting it to you ...you are a liar and distort the truth of God...[SUP]

20 [/SUP]But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?





faith alone is dead ...that is a lie from the pit of hell

I believe James is speaking of one who says he has faith but no works ...mere profession...

Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

It is as I said, profession without true faith.

True faith is justified apart from works...

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

yet it receives as a result the Holy Spirit and the new birth by which good works are produced.

The Reformers would say, "we are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone."

 

[crossnote]

Brother crossnote,
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btw, i would just like to say your lamb avatar looks a little bloated, perhaps it's holding in a little to much flatulence? i doubt others here would mention that to you but you may want to allow him to stretch his legs and relieve himself sometime

After all He was the Lamb of God, the fattened Calf prepared the slaughter.

 

[newbirth]

I believe James is speaking of one who says he has faith but no works ...mere profession...

not mere profession ...James makes no mention o that...you suggest that....James says he has faith but no works...

Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

It is as I said, profession without true faith.

you are saying something different from James ...he says profession of faith without works

True faith is justified apart from works...

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

you are brighter than that....now you know he is not speaking about works of the law...

yet it receives as a result the Holy Spirit and the new birth by which good works are produced.

you are one of those who make faith into a production line.....that is not in scripture ...faith does not produce works ...it is either faith with works or faith without works.... take your pick...

The Reformers would say, "we are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone.

Who do you believe ???? the scripture according to James or the reformers ??.....seems you would choose the reformers and be reformed into something not of God...

 

[newbirth]

I would have said MOST want to believe that head knowledge about Christ is enough, and that FAITH that did bring SALVATION, will manifest that SALVATION WAS REAL, in the form of good works, obedience, and good fruit, especially LOVE, is not necessary.

I stand by what I say....I say what the word says....I cannot say what a man want to believe...but those who know the word have a responsibility...
1 Thessalonians 5:14
Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Actually there are five "types" of faith:

household of faith - Gal. 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity let us do good unto all, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

faith of Jesus Christ - Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference.
Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Jesus Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 3:22 - But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

manifestation of faith: 1 Cor. 12:7,9a But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. . . . To another faith by the same Spirit

fruit of the Spirit faith - Gal. 5:22,23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

the common faith - Titus 1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. The faith common to every born again believer and is also in relation to the household faith.

I just had to do it. . . couldn't help myself

 

[Elin]

There is but one faith. Even the devils believe and tremble. The problem comes is what we place our genuine faith in! Things that neither move, talk or hear and can see, or do we place it in that which is living?

The genuine faith presented in the NT is in Jesus Christ and obeys Jesus Christ.

The false faith presented in the NT does not persevere in faith.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Actually there are five "types" of faith:

household of faith - Gal. 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity let us do good unto all, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

faith of Jesus Christ - Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference.
Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Jesus Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 3:22 - But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

manifestation of faith: 1 Cor. 12:7,9a But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. . . . To another faith by the same Spirit

fruit of the Spirit faith - Gal. 5:22,23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

the common faith - Titus 1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. The faith common to every born again believer and is also in relation to the household faith.

I just had to do it. . . couldn't help myself

Very interesting,....... thank you for your input sister peacefulbeliever,
Looks like the "faith of Jesus Christ" and "household of faith" and possibly "common faith" could go into the category of both natural and supernatural types of faith if they were to be categorized that way. We learn something new everyday. Thanks again