2 Kinds Of Faith

[SolidGround]

Seems more like 3 types of "faith" than just one or two.
1. General/physical faith, which is used interchangeably with "belief", and deals with societal/personal ideals and biases and experiences. It affects a being from the outside in.
2. The abstract label of "the Faith", which is the set of beliefs of Christianity.
3. Specific/spiritual faith, which is the requirement for salvation; a gift from God. It changes a being from the inside out.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

I don't follow.
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Each are objective. Lord, One Faith (Received Doctrine), One Baptism.

Personal faith (subjective) is not in that verse but is found in many others

Jude is also speaking of the objective faith as is Eph 4:5


Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints..

i told you i get confused easy
but i get what you are saying, personal faith (subjective) is not in Ephesians 4:5 & Jude 1:3 those verses are objective not subjective so they are not decent reference points to ask if 2 kinds of personal faith exist. Btw i was trying to show the difference between natural faith and supernatural faith with the verses that were posted. i'll have to study more about objective and subjective uses of words for future reference, thanks brother.

 

[SolidGround]

This topic is similar to discussing the word "assembly/ecclesia" (usually translated as "church") in Scripture.
It can be used in a general sense, as in a group of people,
or in the abstract sense, as in the Church of Jesus Christ,
or in the specific, as in the church of Philippi.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Seems more like 3 types of "faith" than just one or two.
1. General/physical faith, which is used interchangeably with "belief", and deals with societal/personal ideals and biases and experiences. It affects a being from the outside in.
2. The abstract label of "the Faith", which is the set of beliefs of Christianity.
3. Specific/spiritual faith, which is the requirement for salvation; a gift from God. It changes a being from the inside out.

Very interesting observation brother SolidGround, thank you for sharing this

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

The Two Kinds of Faith :: Christian Post iPost

 

[SolidGround]

The Two Kinds of Faith :: Christian Post iPost

I like that.
It takes natural faith in order to operate in the natural world,
and it takes supernatural faith to operate in the supernatural world.

 

[pug32]

[SUP]Rom. 1:16 [/SUP]For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Your friend in Christ
pug32

 

[newbirth]

Does there exist two different kinds of faith, when we Christians speak of faith?

Ephesians 4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

there is only one faith in Christ....the problem is some want faith without works(faith alone).....which the scripture teaches is dead...and James ask them to show their faith without works....and no one can

 

[oldthennew]

I like that.
It takes natural faith in order to operate in the natural world,
and it takes supernatural faith to operate in the supernatural world.

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well put, SolidGround.

we might add;

for a true Christian, it takes super-natural-Faith to operate in the natural world.

 

[newbirth]

Well, the NT presents two kinds of faith, one false and the other true.

False faith is seen in Mt 7:21-23; Lk 8:13; 1Jn 2:19; Jas 2:26.

True faith is seen in Lk 8:15; Ro 4:5, 20-25; 1Pe 1:3-5.

If we are speaking of faith in Christ ...there is only one Faith...you either have it with works or without works(dead) it can be little or great but it is the same faith and it comes by hearing the word of God....and Christ's advise is to have faith as a mustard seed.....it is very small but if you plant it......it grows into a very large tree....but if you leave it in your pocket .....it has the potential to be a large tree but it cannot until you put it in the ground....

 

[JesusIsAll]

Is the type of "faith" that demons acknowledge faith? Christian faith involves not simply belief of facts, but belief in the Lord, that is belief in His program, forsaking sin, believing in righteousness, receiving Jesus Christ as Lord, as Master, following and trusting in the Lord. It's not Christian faith in the first place, to just acknowledge Jesus Christ exists. The demon belief doesn't believe in Him, make Him Lord, don't see where this qualifies as Christian faith, in other words, question the premise there are two types of faith, at all, rather, there is only one faith.

 

[Flamingspirit]

Well, the NT presents two kinds of faith, one false and the other true.

False faith is seen in Mt 7:21-23; Lk 8:13; 1Jn 2:19; Jas 2:26.

True faith is seen in Lk 8:15; Ro 4:5, 20-25; 1Pe 1:3-5.

There is but one faith. Even the devils believe and tremble. The problem comes is what we place our genuine faith in! Things that neither move, talk or hear and can see, or do we place it in that which is living?

 

[crossnote]

Is the type of "faith" that demons acknowledge faith? Christian faith involves not simply belief of facts, but belief in the Lord, that is belief in His program, forsaking sin, believing in righteousness, receiving Jesus Christ as Lord, as Master, following and trusting in the Lord. It's not Christian faith in the first place, to just acknowledge Jesus Christ exists. The demon belief doesn't believe in Him, make Him Lord, don't see where this qualifies as Christian faith, in other words, question the premise there are two types of faith, at all, rather, there is only one faith.

To take it a bit further, the demons do not have saving faith because no promise was made to them...Christ was made man, not an angel. It requires a promise for faith to exist; no promise given to the demons.

 

[crossnote]

there is only one faith in Christ....the problem is some want faith without works(faith alone).....which the scripture teaches is dead...and James ask them to show their faith without works....and no one can

There is no such thing as a faith without works. There may be a profession of 'I believe ' without works, but Faith Alone receives the promise of eternal life thru Christ's redemption AND the Holy Spirit AND the new birth all of which produce fruit of character and good works in the Christian. So faith Alone is not dead if it is more than profession.

 

[JesusIsAll]

To take it a bit further, the demons do not have saving faith because no promise was made to them...Christ was made man, not an angel. It requires a promise for faith to exist; no promise given to the demons.

Yes! Should have mentioned it's all about a work in us that He is performing and will complete, into eternity. Excellent and important point!

 

[JesusIsAll]

There is no such thing as a faith without works. There may be a profession of 'I believe ' without works, but Faith Alone receives the promise of eternal life thru Christ's redemption AND the Holy Spirit AND the new birth all of which produce fruit of character and good works in the Christian. So faith Alone is not dead if it is more than profession.

It seems there's a lot of controversy places like CC, which really goes to being born of the Spirit, or not. I fear the Christian experience of some that don't really seem to understand the righteousness that comes only from God. This is so fundamental to the faith, inexplicable how this is escaping some, in terms of actually being born of the Holy Spirit. It's like some doctrines so far off the reservation of plain scripture: what spirit is leading people there?

 

[newbirth]

There is no such thing as a faith without works.

bro James says so I believe James.... [SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

There may be a profession of 'I believe ' without works, but Faith Alone receives the promise of eternal life thru Christ's redemption AND the Holy Spirit AND the new birth all of which produce fruit of character and good works in the Christian.

Do I need to repost ....James says ...
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
you want to be saved by faith alone.....look at that rubbish you posted...that is not scripture..it is your opinion...it is either James is lying or you are lying...you say there is no such thing as faith without works James says there is...I am putting it to you ...you are a liar and distort the truth of God...[SUP]

20 [/SUP]But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

So faith Alone is not dead if it is more than profession.

faith alone is dead ...that is a lie from the pit of hell

 

[newbirth]

Is the type of "faith" that demons acknowledge faith? Christian faith involves not simply belief of facts, but belief in the Lord, that is belief in His program, forsaking sin, believing in righteousness, receiving Jesus Christ as Lord, as Master, following and trusting in the Lord. It's not Christian faith in the first place, to just acknowledge Jesus Christ exists. The demon belief doesn't believe in Him, make Him Lord, don't see where this qualifies as Christian faith, in other words, question the premise there are two types of faith, at all, rather, there is only one faith.

the analogy James used was to show believing without doing what you believe means nothing...demons believe and tremble...we have to do better than that....if we say we believe Christ and do not what he says....no one can doubt that you believe...but in doing what he teaches you become a disciple...the one who only believes is a believer also but only in words not in deeds...judge for yourselves who is the obedient believer?????

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Does there exist two different kinds of faith, when we Christians speak of faith?

Ephesians 4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Hello GracethroughfaithinChrist
IMO there is a faith that people in the world use and it is based on sense knowledge(five senses)meaning that a person only believes in what they can see,taste,hear,smell or feel in the physical

The faith that Christians have is based on believing in what they cannot see,taste,hear,smell or feel.

Remember doubting Thomas.

John 20:24-29
king james version(kjv)

[SUP]24.)[/SUP] But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
[SUP]
25.)[/SUP] The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe
[SUP]
[/SUP][SUP]26.)[/SUP] And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
[SUP]
27.)[/SUP] Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
[SUP]
28.)[/SUP] And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
[SUP]
29.)[/SUP] Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

 

[VCO]

the analogy James used was to show believing without doing what you believe means nothing...demons believe and tremble...we have to do better than that....if we say we believe Christ and do not what he says....no one can doubt that you believe...but in doing what he teaches you become a disciple...the one who only believes is a believer also but only in words not in deeds...judge for yourselves who is the obedient believer?????

New, I think I know you well enough to know you did not mean to put the word not there.

If that was an OOPS, I didn't mean to put that word there? You finally said it in a way that I can agree with you.

Genuine Faith always produces a harvest of good works, obedience, and good fruit. THUS they are a yardstick, whereby we can determine over a period of time, whether or not they are a genuine Christian or whether they are falsely claiming the name. I am not talking about watching their lifestyle for a few days or a few weeks, but for approximately 2 years. WHY? It says "By their Fruit you will know them"; and the last time I checked it takes about two years from the time a fruit seed sprouts until that tree produces it's first fruit.

So if I have been going to church with someone for more than two years and I still see NO SIGN of good works, obedience, joy, peace, nor any other spiritual fruits; I have reason to determine that they really have NEVER received Jesus Christ as LORD, meaning Master. TRUE, I cannot see the heart, but good works, obedience, and good fruit are outward manifestations of a Genuinely SAVED Christians. So why are we SUPPOSED TO LEAVE THE PHONIES in the Church? Because Faith, comes by HEARING and HEARING by the teaching of the WORD.