Catholic Heresy (for the record)

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P.S. what prompted me to post this is a couple of complaints that our forum contains a lot of heresy, including Catholic heresy, and also I just now removed a thread that was basically promoting praying the Rosary.
something we should all ponder :)

Romans 2:1

You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

James 4:12

12God alone, who gave the law, is the Judge. He alone has the power to save or to destroy. So what right do you have to judge your neighbor?
 
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What is the origin of this tradition? It is not Levitical.
It is catholic tradition, and it dates back many centuries, no official writing on the 'vestments' until the 5th century. There was no apostalic teaching on dress codes for the clergy, so it has changed over the centuries. But for popes and cardinals they appear to be stuck in the 16th century, about the time of the reformation, coincidence? I think not, as an old rabbi once said,"coincidence" is a word not found in God's dictionary.

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This video also explains the Catholic Church.

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This is one of my most favorite prayers of all.

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[video=youtube_share;DYtxixBnVGg]http://youtu.be/DYtxixBnVGg[/video]
 
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[video=youtube_share;DYtxixBnVGg]http://youtu.be/DYtxixBnVGg[/video]

I appreciate the RCC for its music, art, architecture etc, but not as much for its teachings.
 

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I appreciate the RCC for its music, art, architecture etc, but not as much for its teachings.
Alas that will be of no consequence in the lake of fire.

By grace we are saved. Through the blood of Christ. It's all Him and nothing of us.

For the cause of Christ
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something we should all ponder :)

Romans 2:1

You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

James 4:12

12God alone, who gave the law, is the Judge. He alone has the power to save or to destroy. So what right do you have to judge your neighbor?

I think we have to distinguish between Judgement and preach the gospel.

Stephen tell the Jews that they are wrong, that they have to accept Jesus as they savior.

To say they are wrong is not to judge but to love, to warn them that they are on the way to hell.

Stephen not give them penalty or pray for they penalty,

Penalty is from God, not decide by Stephen at all. instead of penalty Stephen pray for they forgiveness.

Compare with what Catholic did,

Inquisition, kill person that she think heresy. It is judgment

Let not confuse Judge and preach has 2 different meaning.

we have to preach to Islam, budhis etc

And to preach to this group indirectly mean to say his religion is wrong, his religion led them to hell.

If only Jesus the way to heaven mean other led to hell.

We can't avoid that fact..
 
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The Holy Spirit warned the church it would be infiltrated by wolves. the devil has blinded you to what a wolf looks like, Jesus condemned the Pharisees for their long flowing robes, and the pompus way they are heralded as dignitaries, taking the highest seats at a banquet. your whole institution is a red and scarlet robed, decorated in gold and precious stones..........where have I read somthing like that?
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Revelation 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
 
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Mary isn’t the mother of God.

However, Mary did a marvelous thing. She was a virgin and thereby earned for herself a great honor. However, she sacrificed that honor by allowing the Holy Spirit to impregnate her with Jesus. Who believed she was a virgin after that?
 
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Alas that will be of no consequence in the lake of fire.

By grace we are saved. Through the blood of Christ. It's all Him and nothing of us.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I know right, that's why I am a reformed christian.
 
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Jesus is my saviour, not my religion....Christianity is a way of life, not a religion.
 
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I am Sorry, I am not answered from the bible like what you ask., Now I give you from the the bible.
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The Baptism of Jesus
John 1:32�

[SUP]1[/SUP] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2[/SUP] The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3[/SUP] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]4[/SUP] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[SUP]5[/SUP] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
[SUP]6[/SUP] There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
[SUP]7[/SUP] The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
[SUP]8[/SUP] He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
[SUP]9[/SUP] That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
[SUP]10[/SUP] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
[SUP]11[/SUP] He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[SUP]12[/SUP] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[SUP]13[/SUP] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
[SUP]14[/SUP] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

From verse 1. the bible inform us that The Word was God.

From verse 14 the bible inform us that the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

Jesus is the Word that made flesh and dwelt among us.
The Bible teach us that in the beginning there were two Gods.
Joh 1:1–2 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.”
Here we see that the Word was with God, therefore two individual entities, and that the Word was also a God, therefore two Gods. The verse also states two things namely that the Word was with God which means that He left God and, that the Word was a God which means that afterwards He was not a God anymore.
Joh 17:5 – “And now, O Father glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory I had with thee before the world was.”
Here we see Jesus’ request to God in prayer to glorify Him with the glory He had when He was with His Father before the world existed. Jesus Christ was not just an ordinary man, but truly the Son of God. Jesus Christ prayed this prayer just before He died on the cross, as He knew what lay ahead for Him.

Joh 8:29 – “And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.”
Jesus confirms here that God is with Him, obviously in spirit form as the Holy Spirit, because He (Jesus) always do things that pleases His Father.

Joh 8:42 – Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but He sent me.
Jesus confirms here that God sent Him to earth and how obedient He was to God, as God has commanded Him and He listened and came to this earth, and if we accept God as our Father, then we would love Jesus because He has gone out of His Father.

From the texts above we can deduct that Jesus Christ was the co-God and Word, which originally was with God and became flesh on this earth. Jesus originally was also a Holy Spirit just like God, and He willingly gave up His Godly status when He became man. This act of Jesus giving up His Godly status shows us His willingness, obedience and unselfishness to God and mankind. This left thus only God the Father, as the only Holy Spirit in the heaven. Jesus also confirmed that God is His Father who honoured Him. Jesus Christ is the Son of God and was on this earth to teach mankind who God really is and how to be willing, obedient and unselfish to God.

Jesus asked the man that He just healed from blindness:-
Joh 9:35-37 - “Dost thou believe on the Son of God? He answered and said, who is He, Lord, that I might believe on Him? And Jesus said unto him ‘Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
The first person that the man, which was blind from birth and has been healed, saw in front of him, was Jesus. It is also Jesus that spoke to him at that moment. Jesus confirmed to the ‘blind man’ who could then ‘see’, that He is the Son of God.
Incidents of ‘spirits of an unclean devil’, ‘unclean spirits’ and ‘devils’, who confirmed that Jesus was related to God, were documented by two disciples. A man with the ‘spirit of an unclean devil’ confirms that Jesus is the Holy One of God.
Luk 4:33-34 – “And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, and cried out with a loud voice, Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? Art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God.”
The spirit of an unclean devil confirmed that Jesus is the Holy One of God which could mean that He is related to God.

Luk 4:41 “And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.”
Again a confirmation from many devils that Christ is the Son of God.

Mark 3:11 “And unclean Spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.
The unclean spirits, who were with God in heaven and knew Jesus, confirmed every time when they saw Jesus, that He is the Son of God.
Luk 22:42 Jesus kneeled and prayed to His Father and said:.”… Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” If Jesus prayed to God and called Him Father, then surely He has to be the Son of God.


Joh 8:54 – Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that He is your God.
Jesus also confirms that God, is His Father who honoureth Him

The texts above prove that Jesus Christ was a God with God as the Word, but became man which meant that He had to give up His Godly status, His deity, to do the job that God has given Him. There are many texts confiming that Jesus is the Son of God and that He was a man on this earth and not God on this earth.


Jesus Christ spoke these words and confirmed that He came to this earth at God’s request.
Joh 8:18 – “I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.”
Here we see that God sent Jesus, therefore an instruction from God to Jesus.

Jesus spoke these words Himself and confirmed that God existed and sent Him to this earth.
Joh 8:26 – “I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.”
Jesus came because God gave Him the instruction, and to inform man that which He had heard from His Father. He also came to confirm to the people the existence of the real God.

Jesus was also sent to this earth to preach the kingdom of God.
Luk 4:43 – “And He said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.
Jesus Christ confirmed here that He was sent by God and His goal was to preach the kingdom of God to mankind.

Here is also proof that Jesus came to preach the kingdom of God.
Luk 8:1 – “And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and showing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him.”
If Jesus did not come to preach and show the glad tidings of the kingdom of God, it all would have been just been fables.

Jesus explained to the people that He knew from where He came from and to where He is going.
Joh 8:14 – “Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.”
With Jesus’ hearing did He say the following Himself and admitted that He is not of this world and He came to bear witness unto the truth.
Joh 18:36 – “My kingdom is not of this world…”
Joh 18:37 – “….To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth.”
The three texts above confirm that Jesus knew from where He came from and that He came to bear witness unto the truth.

Another goal of Jesus’ visit to this world was to destroy the works of the devil (Satan). Satan was already in the beginning of the creation of Adam and Eve, on this world.
1 Joh 3:8 “He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.” It confirms here that the devil (Satan) sinned from the beginning of creation and is also reiterated in the next paragraph and texts.


God’s love for mankind is so great that He sent Jesus, His own Son, as atonement for man’s sin.
1 Joh 4:10 – “Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.”
The unselfish love of God to send His Son to this earth to die for man’s sin is revealed here. Man now has a chance again to be with the heavenly Father. Jesus’ willingness to come down to this earth proves His love and obedience towards God and His love for mankind. Jesus knew exactly what lay ahead for Him but still came. His work on this earth was perfect and succeeded every time. He was nailed to the cross and, three days later, he was resurrected from the grave. Thereafter He was taken up to heaven. Is that not fantastic to know that we have a chance to be with God Almighty one day?


Jesus laid down His life for mankind and we are also requested to have this same love towards our brothers.
1 Joh 3:16 – “Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.”
Jesus came and took all sin upon His shoulders and died for us so that we may have a chance to obtain eternal life. He also taught mankind that the love we have for our brothers must be just as strong that we will lay down our lives for them. Here we also find another confirmation of God’s Almighty love for us to send His Son to be the Redeemer for our sins.

Jesus also came to inform people how and what they must do to be saved.
1 Joh 5:1-3 – “Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.” This is one of the most important texts in the Bible and the one that is ignored the most.

The texts above provides us with the following facts.

Everyone that believes that Jesus is the Christ = is born of God.

Everyone that loves the Father = loves those that is born of God.

Everyone that loves God and keep God’s Commandments = loves the children of God

The love of God = keep His Commandments.

Or another shorter summary:-
The keeping of the Commandments = love of God = love those that is born of God = believes that Jesus is the Christ (Messiah Saviour, Redeemer, Lamb, or Peacekeeper) = loves the children of God.

This is the perfect recipe for true love to God. Any ingredient that is changed negatively will therefore change all the other ingredients negatively. The one who wants to change it will soon realize that the final product is not going to be the same and could possibly turn out to be:-
Do not keep the Commandments = No love to God = No love to those that is born of God = Do not believe that Jesus is the Christ = No love towards the children of God.

Mankind can thus not accept God and reject Jesus or do not believe that Jesus is the Christ, and so could they not say that they love God whilst they disobey His Commandments, and so could they not say that they love the children of God whilst they do not love those that is born of God.

Perfect love can thus be seen as a unity of::- The Love towards God and Jesus Christ, plus the belief that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, plus the love to those that are born of God, plus the love to the children of God, plus the love to keep all the Commandments. The omission of any one ‘love’ above, or even disobeying one or a part of the Commandments of God, disintegrates perfect love and can have serious consequences for man.

Jesus also came to teach man how to be good and loving to mankind, not by empty words, but with deeds.
1 Joh 3:18 – “My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.”
There is much proof in the Bible how Jesus added the deeds with the words and supported mankind with deeds. He healed and fed mankind. He came to teach man what real love is. He prayed right up to the end, with His death on the cross, for those that sinned against Him. He was a perfect example of what God wanted.




1 Tim 2:5 – “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.”
This text proves that Jesus Christ is now “man”, which means that He had laid down his heavenly status as ‘God and Holy Spirit’ before He became ‘man’ on this earth. He also died on the cross as ‘man’. If Jesus received back His total Godly status, He would not have sat there as “man”. This will make the judgement so much easier as Jesus would not have to prove to the people on earth that He died on the cross as man. Satan will also not be able to use Jesus’ death on the cross as a bluff argument ie. that Jesus did not die as man on the cross. This text proves without a doubt that Jesus gave up His Godly status to come to this earth.

Here is proof that Jesus Christ has risen, went up to heaven and sat at the right hand of God and that authorities and powers were made subject unto Him. What the authorities and powers include is not spelt out but we can accept that it can include the universe.
1 Pet 3:21-22 - “…..Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.”

If you really still believe that Jesus was God on this earth, I will never be able to convince you otherwise. It is part of God's Salvation Plan and it could not have been different. God's plan is perfect and having Jesus on this earth as MAN, is perfect. Even Jesus Christ now sitting at God's right hand side as MAN, and not as God, proves that Jesus gave up His Godly status to show His love towards God and the people in this world. Jesus came to tell the people about God and to reveal Satan and to show man to way to salvation and to die on the cross for all man's sin. This He did out of Love.
 
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We try to welcome everyone to our site including people who grow up with Catholic tradition because of course we want to lead people to the truth.

But sometimes it's perceived that we tolerate error and heresy. Please understand first of all that we don't screen every thread and post in this forum. YOU can help with that. :) If there's something that you really think we should deal with, then use the Report button (there's a Report button on every post). But please understand that there will be some error and we don't remove all error or even all heresy from the site, partly because it's an opportunity for Christians to correct it and respond with the word of God. But if there's too much of it or too much from one person then we do some housecleaning. We certainly don't want our site to be dominated by Catholic heresy or whatever heresy or error, and we don't want people to get the impression that we just tolerate all of that.

So for the record, Catholicism is heresy. That's what the admins of this site believe.

Mary WAS A SINNER.

She needed a savior, just like you and me.

She is NOT the "mother of God". God has no mother, because God is God. Yes Jesus is God, and Mary was his mother, but we have to understand the dual nature of Jesus. He was 100% God yes, and also 100% man. Mary was his mother as a man, not as God. No where does the scripture refer to Mary as the "mother of God". And in fact, she's not even mentioned in all the epistles. All the New Testament instruction to the church is all about Jesus, not Mary. They never said "hail Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners". They always said JESUS .. JESUS... JESUS.

This is preaching to the choir for most people here. But it regularly happens that we start to accumulate Catholics here who really promote and argue their Catholicism, along with all the heresy.

So for the record, if anyone wants or needs to hear it, we don't agree with Catholic heresy. And yes it is heresy to exalt any other human being as sinless to the same level as Jesus (as the Catholics do with Mary -- they actually teach that Mary was sinless like Jesus!!!), and put equal focus on a person other than Jesus.

At the same time, we understand that no one is born a Christian. That's why Jesus said you must be born again. So we welcome all who are seeking -- Catholics, Muslims, homosexuals, and even protestants who are "Christian" only by tradition -- to experience our fellowship here on this site and learn the truth that Jesus is the way and the truth and the life and no one can come to the father except through Him. And there is only one God, and one mediator between God, the man Christ Jesus. Because he was both 100% man and 100% God, that makes him the perfect mediator between man and God. That's why the scripture also tells us to go straight to Jesus -- go to the throne of grace with confidence, knowing that he can understand our weaknesses and everything, since he lived as a man like us (and even experienced all temptation). Hence we don't need Mary to go to or go through -- that defeats the purpose of Jesus.

I saw my mother-in-law die before my eyes putting her faith in Mary. Days before she died I asked her if Mary can save her and she actually said yes. Then in her dying moments, my father-in-law pushed me in front of her to pray for her as she was dying before our eyes. I simply prayed out loud in front of everyone that she would put her faith in Jesus, and ONLY JESUS. There was protesting in the background "wala na Maria? wala na Maria?", which is Filipino language for "No Mary?? No Marry??". You see how deceived they all are. It is sad. You see how the devil uses that poison to add something to Jesus.

So I hope it's clear what we believe and we hope that we can promote the truth here in love.
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I have a question (for the record)for those who believe
that the man Jesus, whose mother was Mary... is God?

How can you believe that the man Jesus, whose mother, was Mary, is God
and Mary his mother, is not his mother, the mother of God?

(for the record)
 

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Since we are posting (for the record)


I have a question (for the record)for those who believe
that the man Jesus, whose mother was Mary... is God?

How can you believe that the man Jesus, whose mother, was Mary, is God
and Mary his mother, is not his mother, the mother of God?

(for the record)
Jesus had two natures. One created(human) and one eternal, which was obviously in existence long before mary. Mary is the mother of the human Jesus. Jesus(the man) is the son of Mary, but Jesus(God) did not originate in her womb since He is eternal He already existed. Mary is not above God, she is not God's wife. She is not to be worshiped or prayed to
 
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Mary is the mother of the human Jesus. Jesus(the man) is the son of Mary, but Jesus(God) did not originate in her womb since He is eternal He already existed.
This also applies to many many many others. So what?