NIV TRUTH- Satan and NWO revealed

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ServantStrike

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All I needed to see was the name Alex Jones to know I could dismiss this entirely and my life would be better for it.
It's not even Alex Jones. They put his name in the title of the video to try to get people to watch it, but I fast forwarded through it just now because I was curious (since when has Alex Jones ever said anything meaningful about Christianity) and there was nothing I could see that would tie him to the video.

I will only watch the video if you promise to read:

King James Only Controversy: Can You Trust Modern Translations? By James R White. Oh, and you might have to learn a little Greek to understand the book, although he did try and dummy it down for the KJVOnly crowd.

Let me know when you are done the book, and I will then watch the video, ok?
James White is hardly an unbiased source though, is he?
 
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I think you need to read the 2 books mentioned in this thread, and find out that sometimes the words are eliminated because they weren't there in the earliest manuscripts, which actually counts for a lot more than a bunch of messed up Byzantine manuscripts.

It's like I went into a classroom with 30 kids in grade 6. I wrote out the book of Philemon (or Jude) on the board because they were short, and the kids had to copy them in full. And in cursive writing, just because I am old school about that. However, I also went to a university, and had a classics or English major copy out the same passage, based on my handwriting. I put away the University student's copy, because it is basically perfect.

But to prove a point, I take the 30 copied manuscripts into 30 other classrooms and have them copy out the manuscripts. Now, my grade 6 class is smart, but there are a few with learning disabilities and tend to turn things around. A couple have ADD and ADHD, so they add or miss parts. Same with the second classroom.

Then I take the second classroom's 30 copies, along with the first classroom's 30 copies and give them to another 60 students. So now I have over 120 copies of Philemon at a grade 6 level. I could do it again a few times and end up with 240 or 480 copies of Philemon.

Then I get out the one copy by the university student and the 120 copies (or 480 etc) of Philemon and ask some scholars to evaluate which copy is closest to the original. Of course, he finds some trends, the more generations I passed it down to (that means moved them to the next level, not the generations of a genealogy!), and that mistakes have been copied and passed down.

Now the university student's copy may not be perfect either, but I'll bet it is a good bit closer to the original Philemon I copied on the board than that huge number of grade 6 students, bored with writing, not knowing grammar or spelling as well, plus multiplied mistakes.

The point being that when you are hand copying, the more times you make a mistake, the more times it is multiplied. The farther you are from the source, the more you increase the chances of multiple mistakes being passed on.

So majority is not necessarily better.

James White has so many examples of errors in the KJV, it is ridiculous how anyone could claim this is the inerrant Bible.

1. "For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body." James 3:2 KJV

"For we all stumble in many ways. And if anyone does not stumble in what he says,he is a perfect man, able also to bridle his whole body." James 3:2 ESV

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We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check." James 3:2 NIV

King James states that Christians offend all people. Do Christians offend all people, or do they stumble in many ways?

2. "I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess." Luke 18:12 KJV
"I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’" Luke 18:12 ESV
"I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’ Luke 18:12 NIV

So did the Pharisees tithe on his possessions or his increase? The term in Greek means "to procure for oneself, acquire, get." KJV has the poor man giving 10% on all he owns, and I would imagine quite a few times a year. That would be a quick way to be reduced to poverty.

3. "And the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pul king of Assyria, and the spirit of Tilgathpilneser king of Assyria, and he carried them away, " 1 Chronicles 5:26a KJV
"So the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pul king of Assyria, the spirit of Tiglath-pileser king of Assyria, and he took them into exile, " 1 Chronicles 5:26a ESV
"So the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pulking of Assyria (that is, Tiglath-Pileser king of Assyria), who took the Reubenites, the Gadites and the half-tribe of Manasseh into exile" 1 Chron. 5:26 a NIV


KJV has the king of Assyria AND the spirit of Tiglath-pileser, taking away the Israelites. But the King of Assyria is merely the title of Tigathpileser. So ESV and esp NIV are the better translations, to say nothing of an error in the King's name. Tilgathpilneser is KJV and Tiglath-Pileser in every other single Bible
(Check out your Assyrian kings dynasties, to say nothing of other references to this Assyrian king)

4. "Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword." Isa. 13:15 KJV
"Whoever is found will be thrust through,
and whoever is caught will fall by the sword." Isa. 13:15 ESV
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Whoever is captured will be thrust through;
all who are caught will fall by the sword." Isa. 13:15 NIV

Note that "that is joined", is totally different than captured. This is because the Hebrew words are very similar, with capture having a het at the end, and "join" a chet at the end. So another copy mistake passed down in the later manuscripts.

I could do many more mistakes but let us leave it at this, for those who are unconvinced.
First, I do not claim the KJV in inerrant. I do however claim that it had ample time and skill used to create it.
Second, the giving 30 copies to 30 kids and so on does create a very flawed doctrine I'll admit. So, why isn't that the case of the 25,000 manuscripts? why are they so amazingly identical? different by incredibly slight differences mostly punctuation and inconsequential words.
Third, I see no problem in "giving a tithe of all that I possess." That sits true to me. Whether its when I acquired it I tithed, or I have so much and now I am beginning to tithe, I agree with the KJV on that matter.
Fourth- exactly what are these "older manuscripts?" you're talking about? fragments of the majority text have been largely believed by scholars to date clear into 70 AD. Yes many of these texts are partial texts, but to make my point. If I have an entire manuscript at 400AD and then I find 200 partial some dating back to 70 AD, if it was in the book of Luke, or Acts or wherever, they still agree with the 400AD and on and on !. I do not believe your "older texts" date back further than 70 AD.
Fifth- you have opinions like "in many things we offend all" and you decide what you think makes more sense. Sadly that's not how the Word of God works. I can absolutely see how in many things we offend all, because we are talking about the worl and the world is at enmity with God. I find it alarming that you believe "in many things we offend all" could be substituted for "in many ways we stumble." those don't even touch on the same subject.
Sixth. Tilgathpilneser king of Assyria this is that "dangerous about knowing a little Greek". They've added a dash and because it is a flaw, these are suddenly to be trusted.

You honestly believe this was never in the manuscripts?
Matthew 23:14, "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation."

or this?

Mark 11:26, "But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses."
 
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New World Order Bible Versions (Full Movie) - Alex Jones - YouTube

please don't comment until you've at least watched a piece of this.
I watched a great deal of it. I do appreciate the truth about the NIV in particular being the bible of choice for liberal christianity, but the rest was quite useless to me. Perhaps the comparisons to the NIV should have been used to show how it seems to lean toward the NWO, especially in translating "capstone", instead of 'cornerstone".
 
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I think these threads about bible translations are a waste of value time needed to learn about God.

Bible translators have a horrible job. God spoke first in the Hebrew language through the culture of men who lived and thought thousands of years ago. Think how the meaning of our words have changed! Gay, net, mouse, over the moon, piece of cake, train, and lots of other changes you wouldn't recognize like neck, girl, awful, and bead. This in only a few hundred years.

All translation, even the earliest, have at least a hundred years from the original. Think of what can happen to language understanding in a hundred years. There are people who say that a translation done 1,600!!! years after Christ is from God Himself and is absolutely accurate. One done over 400 years ago, in the language meanings of 400 years ago. Ridiculous!

These same people who want us to accept, completely, a translation done 1,600 years after Christ during a time of spiritual darkness, say that all of information of the scrolls found from the time of Christ and before should not be listened to! Or the work finding the meanings of the Hebrew words when language was pictographs.

People need to prayerfully look for what God wants us to know, and not to all these probes into finding something wrong in each translation. Instead, each God thought needs to be watched for truth, it takes many translations to find it.

RedTent I would never spend a moment on this subject if it weren't alarmingly important. These aren't just the translators. It's the manuscript they chose to use. If one manuscript was proven incorrect, proven corrupt and you knew it was used to slaughter the Word of God would you shrug it off?
 
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I watched a great deal of it. I do appreciate the truth about the NIV in particular being the bible of choice for liberal christianity, but the rest was quite useless to me. Perhaps the comparisons to the NIV should have been used to show how it seems to lean toward the NWO, especially in translating "capstone", instead of 'cornerstone".
Perhaps. There is a lot going on right now, I do think it's important that we begin connecting the dots. Not necessarily to change anything but just to "know the times." and prepare ourselves for what appears to be leading toward what the bible says "shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."
 
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John 17:17.... Sanctify them in Your Truth, Your word is Truth..... You shall know the Truth and the Truth shall make you free...
If I set you free you are free indeed.... Holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit....

Just some TRUTH about God and His Word. Not all Bibles can be God's Word, they do not agree and do not teach the same. Not all teachers can be of God, they also do not teach the same. Some will be TRUTH preachers and they are ALL HOLY MEN OF GOD (2 Peter 1:21) and some will not be Truth teachers and they are men not HOLY MEN.

What is the difference between a man and a holy man..... JESUS CHRIST is the differenece.... A Holy man is holy because Jesus lives in him and a man is not holy becasue Jesus does not live in him... And Jesus is the WORD MADE FLESH....

Deadtosin, we cannot give the world the Word of God. The world CANNOT receive the Spirit of Truth. But the ones that do get the Word of God in FULNESS.... they ALL will be made to the FULNESS of Christ. The ones that KNOW the Truth, God's Word is Truth, will be made free.... And that free is from ALL evil, even false bibles and false teachers. (Eph 4:13)

I know you are one person that will know the Truth. I can see your spirit being MADE FREE, by the TRUTH... I do not have to fight for the KJV God's Word..... God said that His Word will outlive the World. And I believe Him. Thank God that HE WILL KEEP HIS WORD.... Amen!
its not that I want to fight for it Cobus, I feel that I have to defend it, not for myself or even those who I am talking with. Its for those people (or that one person) who wanders in here, reads all of this and doesn't know what to think. It is for that person I respond to the opposing views and supply as much easily accessible information I can.
 
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Amen, well thank you all for your input. I will be leaving this thread now. If anyone wishes to talk to me, please feel free to friend me and message me. God bless "YOU"
 
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iReadKJV

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I saw this movie just a few days ago. Also check out this short video

[video=youtube;ODMXQ-vwBYg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODMXQ-vwBYg[/video]
 

Jackson123

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In my opinion, in addressing the translation error, we must distinguish between accidental mistake and deliberately error in purpose to mislead reader and to make foundation for his own agenda which is NWO.

Some time the new translator hide behind to help modern reader better understand but the real purpose is to promote Antichrist as a god.

King Jame Version my have some mistake, but not deliberately.
 

John_agape

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This is not a conspiracy thread. It is a very well presented video about Bible translations.

Muslims who know about all the many Bible translations we have in the Christian community, mock us. Yes they laugh as us for not having God's Word.

Whatever you may think of the modern versions, they make a mockery of our Christian faith to Muslims who believe God's Word is the Koran, and use the modern versions as proof that we are wrong.

It was modernist priests that turned me away from Christ by not taking the Bible seriously. If they can be happy with Bibles that contradict each other in vital doctrine, then why should I believe that confusion.

It was the Textus Receptus or Majority Text Bible versions that enabled me to believe in the Bible.

What is stated in the video is factual truth printed in Bibles. Cannot dispute it.

BTW Alex Jones does not appear in the video. So anyone allergic to to him can safely watch the video. :)