Should guns be used for self defense?

[jkalyna]

What is needed is self control. Having a loose canyon of a mind, will kill anyone, even with your hands, fist. Owning a weapon is like owning a vehicle. You could cause vehicle homicide. If you feel unsafe with yourself don't handle a weapon, particulary a loaded gun. Tests should be done prior to ownership, and not only the backround checks, but how many accidents have they had, it's a mental stability, thing. If my life is threatened I will kill you, very close, to make sure. Now they have a gun for wifes, that just came out, it says, "this is your final attempt, because it splits into 7 diameters, and will blow up everything made to do this, just in case it said, the women misfires.

 

[secularhermit]

Those "test" are done here, in Vzla. Tests should be done prior to ownership, and not only the backround checks, but how many accidents have they had, it's a mental stability, thing.

I don´t know if THERE you have to pay some sort od INSURANCE for legal responsibilities... and, if these were needed for EACH COUNTRY ATTACKING other nations, citizenships, etc. I guess Venezuela doesn´t have that insurance and mental test.

Have you heard what many Venezuelans say against USA or "gringos"?

(I don´t like generalizations, but they are nasty and awful saying what they believe -and say- against those who buy this petrol that have "saved" our poor economy)

 

[jkalyna]

[video=youtube;5wnGL_6732w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wnGL_6732w[/video]

 

[secularhermit]

Ha! Ha!

Those RIP bullets are "violence" killers.

Ha! Ha!

have you heard or read some used feces on their bullets?

What an infection!

 

[wisebeardman]

Unfortunately in Canada we certainly would receive repercussions in the break and enter scenario if an attacker was killed in our house. I'm not sure what the penalty is exactly but it involves prison time. They expect us to call the police and wait no matter what is happening. Unjust, but it is what it is. I'm not sure what side of the fence a situation like that would fall on; either do what may/may not be right in defending yourself or the lives of your family, or obey gov't laws as we are commanded to do(unless they directly contradict the commands of Jesus). I'm just not sure of the right course of action. And God willing, none of us will have to face that choice but you never know.

Canada, More rights to a criminal then a good citizen.

I <3 guns.

 

[secularhermit]

Several years ago, my husband was gone on a fishing trip with his friends. I was home alone with my 80 lb yellow lab for several days.

One night, I heard a noise at one of my windows. When I pulled the shades back, there was a man trying to break in. I slammed the shades shut and yelled to the man that I had a gun and I was calling the police. He yelled something back at me but, I will never know what it was.

As soon as he started to yell, my dog went ballistic. Seriously, my sweet lab turned into Cujo or something like that. Needless to say, the man was long gone by the time the police arrived (and they were there in less than 2 minutes). My dad actually did a "stake-out" of my house several different nights and that guy never came back. (Yeah, I know it sounds crazy--I will always be daddy's little girl) Even though I had a gun, I did not need it at all.

The ironic thing was that my husband had planned to take our dog with him but, our dog was acting up when it was time to leave so my husband left him home with me. I believe now that God was watching out for me even then, He did not want me to shoot someone in self-defense.

I pray that the man that tried to break into my house has found Jesus by now. Hopefully, my dog scared him enough to realize he needed to change his ways

Let´s say GOD really helped and used your dog but, when things aren´t like that, we could think: "God doesn´t love me" ("He was drinking coffee when I was assaulted or raped"). We blamed GOD for human´s faults and I´m sure many dogs have died giving their life for those they loved (I trained my dog "Eli" to fight for my life) but too little people have those blessing we could count on, because sins crawls around, and many peple love to do wrong, to steal and DO COVET our tiny blessings.

Does govern enforce the law?

Here, for example, when thieves are caught, their are allowed to cover their faces or to use black glasess WHEN THESE ARE PICTURED ON THE NEWSPAPERS and, if any victim could see WHO HE/SHE IS, those delinquents are bypassed because the hypocrisy of some laws PROTECTS DELINQUENTS, serial killers, INSTEAD OF NORMAL PEOPLE, by removing other´s rights to wear "tools" to defend from those public enemies.

Here is a todays picture of what I´ve said: http://www.eluniversal.com/sucesos/140205/capturan-a-tres-sujetos-que-tenian-sometidas-a-siete-personas-en-sebuc

Can you see if ANY OF THEM have stole or hurt any of your loved ones?

No! The Police could have lied (same way the Gov have lied on the case of Mónica Spear)

Monica Spear En Venezuela - Sucesos - El Universal

 

[Toska]

I am grateful that my dog scared the guy away, that dog would have died for me. But, if my dog had not been there, I was prepared to defend myself with force, if needed. I do think God intervened for me but, if He had not, I was ready to take care of myself. I have been taught to use firearms since I was young and, not trying to sound egotistical, I am an excellent shot.

I do believe the laws work more in the favor of the criminals than the law abiding citizens. It seems they have more rights than we do. I do live in a state where I can shoot a person on my property if I feel that my life is in danger. If dude had gotten into my house, I would have feared for my life and things would have turned out very differently.

 

[spacefreak]

yes,
pslams 144:1 [SUP]1 [/SUP]Praise be to the Lord my Rock,
who trains my hands for war,
my fingers for battle


we have to protect our houses and families sometimes that involves guns

 

[just_monicat]

guns only belong in the hands of trained people who know how to safely operate and intelligently store their guns. i have always had multiple guns, but i have had a couple instances where i have stored them elsewhere, because i felt the risks were too great (in light of houseguests, etc). in those times, i feel the right to defend and protect should always be mitigated by the risks associated with having easy access to guns in the house. why parents think their kids don't know where their guns are is always impossible for me to understand.

i have a very good friend who (as a youngster) accidentally shot his best friend when they were playing with a household gun. 30 years later, he is still haunted by what happened. it's the best example i know where the right and need of guns is sadly eclipsed by the lifelong damage caused by people who either are ill-informed or unwilling to take the proper precautions. also, while i was in high school, there were kids in our school between the ages of 13-15 who took their lives only weeks apart using guns stored in their homes. only adults should have unfettered access to household guns, in my opinion. growing up we had a shotgun behind the back door -- that's the kind of stuff that needs to stop (if you have kids in your house), in my opinion.

 

[Oncefallen]

Massachusetts has similar laws in the 1970's and not sure what it is today. IMHO, I believe a good guard dog will deter a house break. We all remember the 3 female family members that were murdered by two deranged killers in Connecticut. And 2 huge rottweillers or german shepherd dogs probably would have saved their lives.

Sure, a good dog can be a great deterrent however someone who is that bent on massacre would just kill the dogs first.

In some scenarios having a gun can backfire if the person use bad judgment or not trained to use a gun in the correct situation. That's why Florida has the wild wild west mentality. And I live in Colorado where concealed handguns are allowed with a permit and extensive training. Here in Colorado, if one use a concealed weapon carelessly and kills someone, he or she can be charged from 1st degree murder to involuntary manslaughter. And in civil court , they can be sued. I have to say that I thought it would be the Wild Wild West here, but it has gone extremely well unlikely Florida.

Actually if you do your research you will find that Colorado is still an open carry state. Outside of a few municipalities that prohibit open carry anyone that can legally possess a firearm can carry without a permit as long as the weapon is not concealed. My first year in CO I lived on the western slope (just outside Grand Junction) and it wasn't uncommon to see someone at the mall or grocery store with an open carried sidearm. It just isn't common to see on the front range.

i have a very good friend who (as a youngster) accidentally shot his best friend when they were playing with a household gun. 30 years later, he is still haunted by what happened. it's the best example i know where the right and need of guns is sadly eclipsed by the lifelong damage caused by people who either are ill-informed or unwilling to take the proper precautions. also, while i was in high school, there were kids in our school between the ages of 13-15 who took their lives only weeks apart using guns stored in their homes. only adults should have unfettered access to household guns, in my opinion. growing up we had a shotgun behind the back door -- that's the kind of stuff that needs to stop (if you have kids in your house), in my opinion.

It is always unfortunate when a child harms themselves or another child with a firearm. In my experience this usually happens in a home where the parents hide the weapon and never educate their children about the dangers of a firearm. These types of accidents are on the rise not because more people have firearms in their home, but because parents leave their kids in the dark about firearm safety. Kids by nature are curious and they will play with the unknown if they find it.

From what I've seen, in more rural communities where hunting is more common these types of accidents are extremely rare. Why? Because from the time a child is old enough to pick a firearm up the are taught about the dangers of firearms and their proper use (under the supervision of an adult).

 

[biscuit]

Several years ago, my husband was gone on a fishing trip with his friends. I was home alone with my 80 lb yellow lab for several days.

One night, I heard a noise at one of my windows. When I pulled the shades back, there was a man trying to break in. I slammed the shades shut and yelled to the man that I had a gun and I was calling the police. He yelled something back at me but, I will never know what it was.

As soon as he started to yell, my dog went ballistic. Seriously, my sweet lab turned into Cujo or something like that. Needless to say, the man was long gone by the time the police arrived (and they were there in less than 2 minutes). My dad actually did a "stake-out" of my house several different nights and that guy never came back. (Yeah, I know it sounds crazy--I will always be daddy's little girl) Even though I had a gun, I did not need it at all.

The ironic thing was that my husband had planned to take our dog with him but, our dog was acting up when it was time to leave so my husband left him home with me. I believe now that God was watching out for me even then, He did not want me to shoot someone in self-defense.

I pray that the man that tried to break into my house has found Jesus by now. Hopefully, my dog scared him enough to realize he needed to change his ways

Great story!! An aggressive, large dog, can be a great deterrent against a break in than a gun in many cases. I cited in another post that 2 large dogs probably would have saved the lives of the 3 female victim in the Connecticut house invasion. God was definitely looking after you.

 

[secularhermit]

I am grateful that my dog scared the guy away, that dog would have died for me. But, if my dog had not been there, I was prepared to defend myself with force, if needed. I do think God intervened for me but, if He had not, I was ready to take care of myself. I have been taught to use firearms since I was young and, not trying to sound egotistical, I am an excellent shot.

I do believe the laws work more in the favor of the criminals than the law abiding citizens. It seems they have more rights than we do. I do live in a state where I can shoot a person on my property if I feel that my life is in danger. If dude had gotten into my house, I would have feared for my life and things would have turned out very differently.

That´s FREEDOM!

My mom had a house near the beach and it was INVADED. My mother stuff put in one room and, when we came to see what have happened, they pointed to the things they have piled (just in case we planed to take these home) and the very president gave public permission to invade empty houses "any" had for using on weekends or holydays... I happy I never shoot those who stole my mother house at the beach and, when the other house my mother had was severely stolen, I went to Maracay to watch and see who was doing it... The Police pointed me with their fireguns, in my mother´s own land, when I tried to stop those I thought were taking her things out...

What a difference U.S.A. made in that FREEDOM to protect LIFE and property (at least in that State).

 

[secularhermit]

Great story!! An aggressive, large dog, can be a great deterrent against a break in than a gun in many cases. I cited in another post that 2 large dogs probably would have saved the lives of the 3 female victim in the Connecticut house invasion. God was definitely looking after you.

Maybe you haven´t felt what is miss a dog, a trained friend like these you mentioned. Loved ones are never to be used as shields.

I know some of them were killed while their owners couldn´t scape for their life while these were utterly abused or victimized.

 

[biscuit]

Sure, a good dog can be a great deterrent however someone who is that bent on massacre would just kill the dogs first.



Actually if you do your research you will find that Colorado is still an open carry state. Outside of a few municipalities that prohibit open carry anyone that can legally possess a firearm can carry without a permit as long as the weapon is not concealed. My first year in CO I lived on the western slope (just outside Grand Junction) and it wasn't uncommon to see someone at the mall or grocery store with an open carried sidearm. It just isn't common to see on the front range.



It is always unfortunate when a child harms themselves or another child with a firearm. In my experience this usually happens in a home where the parents hide the weapon and never educate their children about the dangers of a firearm. These types of accidents are on the rise not because more people have firearms in their home, but because parents leave their kids in the dark about firearm safety. Kids by nature are curious and they will play with the unknown if they find it.

From what I've seen, in more rural communities where hunting is more common these types of accidents are extremely rare. Why? Because from the time a child is old enough to pick a firearm up the are taught about the dangers of firearms and their proper use (under the supervision of an adult).
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1. You should have read Toska's post!!! The moment those dogs start barking crazy, you call the police concerning a break-in and the cops are usually there is 5 minutes. And I am willing to bet you that before he kills both dogs, he will be partially ripped & torn by those dogs. Leaving a trail of blood for the police to follow. It is rare that intruders can get pass aggressive, well trained dogs. I'll put my money on the dogs any day.
2. It was only recent that Metro Denver initiated the conceal weapon program and I like the fact that it had some great checks & balances that made the program effective .... unlike Florida
3. Agree with you about firearms & children
4. Agree, the rural areas are much more connected & responsible with firearms than their big city neighbors.

 

[secularhermit]

yes,
pslams 144:1 [SUP]1 [/SUP]Praise be to the Lord my Rock,
who trains my hands for war,
my fingers for battle


we have to protect our houses and families sometimes that involves guns

Yes! using wahtever it takes... but there is a passive teaching on allowing to be hurt by giving the other cheek, because "we are Christians"... I don´t agree with it ALWAYS.

 

[just_monicat]

It is always unfortunate when a child harms themselves or another child with a firearm. In my experience this usually happens in a home where the parents hide the weapon and never educate their children about the dangers of a firearm. These types of accidents are on the rise not because more people have firearms in their home, but because parents leave their kids in the dark about firearm safety. Kids by nature are curious and they will play with the unknown if they find it.

yes, education is vitally important. everyone who lives in the house should have education about guns.

however, education is important but not nearly enough. kids by nature love to play with things that they are curious about. we live in a society that glorifies guns, sex, and much more. kids need to be protected (as much as reasonably possible) from as much of these things that they are going to be curious of, and no matter what your kid tells you, you must assume that they will at some point, they might satisfy their curiosities.

the argument that you can't have a gun at easy access for protection while still securing it from a minor is an invalid argument. options exist. i know, because i have them.

if he/she doesn't listen to your educational instruction, you can't scold or punish a dead kid.

 

[Toska]

Maybe you haven´t felt what is miss a dog, a trained friend like these you mentioned. Loved ones are never to be used as shields.

I know some of them were killed while their owners couldn´t scape for their life while these were utterly abused or victimized.

I agree. Several people have asked me why I didn't let my dog loose on this guy. It was because I did not know if the guy had a weapon and would hurt my dog.

My dogs are the first line of defense. They bark (loudly) and let me know someone or something is outside of the house. If the people don't run away from fear of my dogs, I will do what I need to protect my family......and I am one of those crazy people that consider my dogs family.

One thing my husband did tell me was that during this time, criminals were doing "smash and grabs". They would get into your house as quickly as possible and grab the first few things they saw of value. Then they would run. Of all of the people who had been arrested for this crime, none had a weapon of any kind.

 

[Toska]

Sure, a good dog can be a great deterrent however someone who is that bent on massacre would just kill the dogs first.

You are right about that. If someone was to kill or hurt one of my dogs, then they would have to deal with me or hubby or both.

 

[just_monicat]

From what I've seen, in more rural communities where hunting is more common these types of accidents are extremely rare. Why? Because from the time a child is old enough to pick a firearm up the are taught about the dangers of firearms and their proper use (under the supervision of an adult).

i'm sorry, my edit window closed before i forgot to add this.

what you're saying about rural communities is true and false. i grew up very tiny and rural community in NW MT and guns are a part of life there (another open carry state). i actually had hunter's saftey as part of the school curriculum. so the education is there. what i didn't have is the glorification of guns that we have today. children with unfinished brains are playing games that are based upon, among other things, killing cops, and so on.

no matter what community you live in, we are inundated with the idea that "guns are a cool accessory". kids are most likely to lack both the judgment to reject the messages that guns aren't toys as well as lacking the impulse control to avoid calamaties with guns. my sister and a number of friends still live in that MT town, and a lot of my friends still keep shotguns close by and don't always secure their guns. they leave their rigs unlocked, and their rifle racks are easy access.

all of those events my previous post included happened in rural communities.

it's a major problem that not everyone is addressing. however, to your point, rural kids are more likely to be educated about guns, and that is a good thing.

 

[ww_21]

In my opinion - hypothetically speaking- yes. HOWEVER the day I have my own home and my own family these are there are only a few guns I would allow near my children because of the horror stories I see on the news. These guns are:



Yup.. I think you all see where I'm going with this. If you are in danger then yes but I don't think it's a good influence around kids - if they do not grow up around them the chances of them relying on it as a means of problem solving is lower.