Why men HAVE to do the ''first move''

[Misty77]

Wow ! Do you think God think the same thing about Art ? Did you never do any mistake in your life ? Yes ?
Jesus gave you a second chance, and you wouldn't do the same
with your Brother Art by giving him a possibility to repent ?

You already labelled him as an eternal " troll " ? Is this the way of the ancient world, or the way of heaven ?

I think you know the answer already ,
and I really really hope you would make an infinitely much better choice than to eternally label your brother Art a " troll ",
for the sake of Christ.

Peace.

I don't even get the title of Sister Misty? That hurts, dude. That hurts me deeply.

 

[ServantStrike]

Brother Servant, sure Brother Art should never have called our sister Buckets "a deceitful, fractious girl",
and many other things;
this was a great wrong he did to her.
But the quote you mentioned was not about sins who can be forgiven, it was about unforgivable sins.
Are you saying that if Art repent he should never be forgiven ?
The quote Jesus told here was about extremely evil hypocrite pharisees, and I'm totally sure Art is not one of them !
As Jesus called them demons ! Is Art a demon who would deserve to have a millstone hanged about his neck and be cast into the sea ! Absolutely not !
I totally condemn what he said to Buckets, but Art is a human like you and me,
and he has nothing to do with the extremely evil hypocrite pharisees Jesus was talking about
in that quote you mentioned !

I feel greatly sorry this thread has entered into such fleshly and hurtful argument,
whereas we should demonstrate the Christian love brothers and sisters in Christ should have for each other.

Peace

I am also saddened this thread has degraded the way it has. I saw a man nearly twice someones age beating on a younger sister in Christ, and I stepped in. I have no regrets.

Research in depth the poster in question, and see what he has posted, and those who he has brushed aside. Many of us have tried to speak to him in love and he has hurtfully turned aside every one of us.

I was not making any implications about the unforgivable sin either. That verse when taken from the gospel of Luke is actually about forgiveness. I stand by the verse choice. In fact, it is mirrored in Mark and Matthew as well.


Luke 17
1Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! 2It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. 3Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. 4And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Perhaps the version from Matthew is more appropriate.

Matthew 18
1At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. 6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

 

[Art05]

That's funny how your description of " dating " is a clear depiction of idolatry, and the woman is the idol.

Why should Christians conform to the outdated ways of the ancient world and fall into idolatry of women ?

Courting is perfectly clear and infinitely much better than " dating " !

" dating " is extremely confusing and all about how to be the best woman worshiper possible,
which is disgusting to the highest degree !

Please don't waste your time with those stupid and vain head games ! A woman is just a woman, and only God is God !

God has something infinitely much better for y'all : Christian courting !

Where can I learn more about this?

 

[jimmydiggs]

Where can I learn more about this?

[video=youtube;Odyp3sNiIKo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odyp3sNiIKo[/video]

 

[DragonSlayer]

I don't even get the title of Sister Misty? That hurts, dude. That hurts me deeply.

Good point. I made a mistake by forgetting to call you first by your name. It was getting very late in there, and I was physically very tired.

So Sister Misty, I apologize to have forgotten to call you first by your name, and know that it was totally unintentional.

Now what do you think about what I wrote ?

 

[DragonSlayer]

I am also saddened this thread has degraded the way it has. I saw a man nearly twice someones age beating on a younger sister in Christ, and I stepped in. I have no regrets.

Research in depth the poster in question, and see what he has posted, and those who he has brushed aside. Many of us have tried to speak to him in love and he has hurtfully turned aside every one of us.

I was not making any implications about the unforgivable sin either. That verse when taken from the gospel of Luke is actually about forgiveness. I stand by the verse choice. In fact, it is mirrored in Mark and Matthew as well.


Luke 17
1Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! 2It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. 3Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. 4And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Perhaps the version from Matthew is more appropriate.

Matthew 18
1At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. 6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

What are you talking about ? The quote mentioning the milestone is clearly a capital punishment of extremely evil hypocrite pharisees, and you implied Art was one of them. I did not read what was all written, as it was extremely confusing, but the people Jesus condemned to death are demons ! And Art is not one of them. I totally condemn what he said to Bucks, and you were perfectly right to step in and defend Bucks, but you were wrong to go as far as implying a capital punishment for Art, a capital punishment only demons deserve ! Do you understand what I mean now ?

 

[ServantStrike]

What are you talking about ? The quote mentioning the milestone is clearly a capital punishment of extremely evil hypocrite pharisees, and you implied Art was one of them. I did not read what was all written, as it was extremely confusing, but the people Jesus condemned to death are demons ! And Art is not one of them. I totally condemn what he said to Bucks, and you were perfectly right to step in and defend Bucks, but you were wrong to go as far as implying a capital punishment for Art, a capital punishment only demons deserve ! Do you understand what I mean now ?

I'm all about victory in Christ and not brokenness. I never suggested capital punishment, or anything of the sort.

If that verse is about capital punishment, Jesus told his disciples that they should be executed. Seriously, look at the verse in Matthew.

Matthew 18
1At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. 6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

 

[DragonSlayer]

I'm all about victory in Christ and not brokenness. I never suggested capital punishment, or anything of the sort.

If that verse is about capital punishment, Jesus told his disciples that they should be executed. Seriously, look at the verse in Matthew.

Matthew 18
1At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. 6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Servant, Jesus was absolutely not talking about his disciples here, for apart from Judas Iscariot, Jesus never called anyone of His disciples a demon. The verse above is absolutely clear and there He did not condemn His disciples, but He condemned demons to death ! Now you're trying to associate this verse with the following verses talking about forgiveness to a repentant brother, and this is wrong. This is called confusion.

I'm very sorry you refuse to recognize your wrong, but soon or later you will, for there is only one understanding of Scriptures, and God is not an author of confusion, but He is an author of peace.

I will not answer you anymore about that, as I hate vain and endless argument, and I'm very sensitive.

Peace.

 

[DragonSlayer]

This is astonishing. No one here accepted to recognize their wrong. Are you so entrenched in your own proud ?

Would you do the same thing before the Throne of God at the end of times ? I don't think so.

It's written : " For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. "

Galatians 5:13-15

 

[ServantStrike]

Servant, Jesus was absolutely not talking about his disciples here, for apart from Judas Iscariot, Jesus never called anyone of His disciples a demon. The verse above is absolutely clear and there He did not condemn His disciples, but He condemned demons to death ! Now you're trying to associate this verse with the following verses talking about forgiveness to a repentant brother, and this is wrong. This is called confusion.

I'm very sorry you refuse to recognize your wrong, but soon or later you will, for there is only one understanding of Scriptures, and God is not an author of confusion, but He is an author of peace.

I will not answer you anymore about that, as I hate vain and endless argument, and I'm very sensitive.

Peace.

I was wrong to involve you in this. I have had no quarrel with you and gladly call you a brother in Christ. I value your friendship and do not want to jeopardize it.


Art professes Christ. As such, I was merely issuing reproach over what I saw as questionable behavior.


I respect your request not to debate. If you ever wish for me to discuss my verse choices, I do have scriptures to back them up.

 

[FireWire]

[video=youtube;Odyp3sNiIKo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odyp3sNiIKo[/video]

This fulla is good. He has the hardline approach that I'm used to. No wishy-washy stuff from this guy!! No pun intended hehe.

 

[Misty77]

Good point. I made a mistake by forgetting to call you first by your name. It was getting very late in there, and I was physically very tired.

So Sister Misty, I apologize to have forgotten to call you first by your name, and know that it was totally unintentional.

Now what do you think about what I wrote ?

Since you asked, I will respect you enough to give you the unvarnished truth. I think you are well-meaning but off-base and very quick to make assumptions. The apostrophe followed by the letter "s" is a contraction for the state-of-being verb "is." Art's behavior at that point was one of a troll. Wikipedia defines it as "a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response."

You interjected the judgment of "eternal" when I was making an observation of Art's current posts. By no means did I say that Art was doomed to be a troll for life, and I don't think I indicated as such. If I did, it was certainly not my intention. My statement was a matter of fact, not a matter of condemnation.

 

[DragonSlayer]

Since you asked, I will respect you enough to give you the unvarnished truth. I think you are well-meaning but off-base and very quick to make assumptions. The apostrophe followed by the letter "s" is a contraction for the state-of-being verb "is." Art's behavior at that point was one of a troll. Wikipedia defines it as "a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response."

You interjected the judgment of "eternal" when I was making an observation of Art's current posts. By no means did I say that Art was doomed to be a troll for life, and I don't think I indicated as such. If I did, it was certainly not my intention. My statement was a matter of fact, not a matter of condemnation.

" I think you are well-meaning but off-base and very quick to make assumptions "

I feel greatly insulted. And all I see is you doing great contortions about what you really say, and escaping the reality of your wrong,
and making a fool of myself, as if I don't know that
" The apostrophe followed by the letter "s" is a contraction for the state-of-being verb "is." "
Total nonsense !
If wikipedia is you primary source of information about the way you should talk to others,
then I feel very sorry for you.
What about the Holy Scriptures for a change ?


You could mock people like that all day long, but in the end, you shall reap what you sow,
and you wouldn't be able to escape God's Judgement in any way.

I will not answer you anymore in any thread. You greatly offended me.
This is my last post here in this thread.

 

[DragonSlayer]

Unbelievable ! I just saw Buckets and Alexis were banned because they were " verified fakers " ?
And Art is now a guest ?
What does that mean " verified faker " ? Boys pretending to be girls ?

All that endless and hurtful argument for nothing !

Truly, the devil seeks to sow seeds of confusion, hatred, and division among true believers.
But the devil shall reap what he sows soon enough, by the Lord's Grace.

 

[FireWire]

I knew something was up with that. I actually thought alexis and buckets were one and the same. The sentence construction and things said were far beyond what a 14 year old would be capable of. No offense intended. I didn't judge though. I left that to be done properly by the admins.

I think verified faker means not the age they say they are and gender maybe and has been confirmed. There's a program that can actually tell somebodies age by analyzing the grammar construction.

 

[Shawn2516]

I would make the first move, but then that would require me to move, and i'm lazy.

So i'm sorry ladies, you'll just have to do without me.

 

[DragonSlayer]

Sister Mysty, you cannot imagine how much you hurt me ! First off, do you know who I AM ? For if you don't know who I AM you cannot say YOU ARE ! If you said " you seem to be " that would not have hurt me at all. You don't know me, and you were very quick to assume you know me from a couple messages on the net and you never met me in person.

 

[Misty77]

Sister Mysty, you cannot imagine how much you hurt me ! First off, do you know who I AM ? For if you don't know who I AM you cannot say YOU ARE ! If you said " you seem to be " that would not have hurt me at all. You don't know me, and you were very quick to assume you know me from a couple messages on the net and you never met me in person.

Your first message to me was to accuse me of wrong-doing, which I deflected with sarcasm. I had no intention of answering until you asked my opinion, which I gave. Don't ask questions that you don't want an answer to.

Tit for tat, dude.

 

[Misty77]

Sister Mysty, you cannot imagine how much you hurt me ! First off, do you know who I AM ? For if you don't know who I AM you cannot say YOU ARE ! If you said " you seem to be " that would not have hurt me at all. You don't know me, and you were very quick to assume you know me from a couple messages on the net and you never met me in person.

That sounds familiar. . .

 

[DragonSlayer]

Your first message to me was to accuse me of wrong-doing, which I deflected with sarcasm. I had no intention of answering until you asked my opinion, which I gave. Don't ask questions that you don't want an answer to.

Tit for tat, dude.

Wow, why so much hatred ? Sarcasm ? So you weren't taking things seriously ? I never said I didn't want an answer, but I thought, as a Christian, you would have the decency to talk with respect, and not with so much hatred. I didn't " accuse you of wrong doing ", I wanted to gently point you on your mistake to call one of your brothers " troll ", which is not a christian thing to so, but a worldly thing. I usually never get involved in hot arguments like this one, but when Servant implied the capital punishment for Art, and no one said a word, I had to say something.

I don't play with words, and you seem to enjoy hurting people with words.