Mistrust of US still deep in Iran but there is renewed optimism
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First step first. We sort out the war criminals, then look at your WMD and drones
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Bush was a figurehead; Cheney & others were behind all the policy-making, i think.
i doubt we'll ever see anyone held accountable for what was done. but God is just, and 'whatsoever a man sows, he also will reap'
America is and always has been a proud, haughty nation, and the Lord opposes the proud & gives grace to the humble. i pray we would humble ourselves!
wait...what? a christian who does not condone peace?
A Look At Iran's Christian Minority
Christianity in Iran, Christians in Iran, History of Christianity in Iran, History of Christians in Iran
Iran....is a Muslim country...okay?
this is like..... right now, in another thread we have Christians in supposedly Christian america griping about Islamic HISTORY in school text books!...and we say we can't make peace with a country who SO FAR hasn't started slaughtering it's Christians. do some real research.
is there persecution sporadically and real martyrdom? YA....welcome to being a CHRISTIAN.
sooooooooo.......when Iran says their govt will be Islamic, and minority religions endure discrimination - like....??
America says it will be (a christian?..nah) nation...and Muslims and others are threatened and harassed and stuff?
recently we had A Sikh Temple attacked and ppl shot - cuz they wear TURBANS...they musta been mooslims....COME ON!
no - how about this?
how about....stop with the sanctions and stop threatening to NUKE them every day, stop trying to overthrow or subvert the politically, normalize relations and mind ya business.
seriously.
A Look At Iran's Christian Minority
Christianity in Iran, Christians in Iran, History of Christianity in Iran, History of Christians in Iran
Iran....is a Muslim country...okay?
this is like.....
right now, in another thread we have Christians in supposedly Christian america griping about Islamic HISTORY in school text books!...and we say we can't make peace with a country who SO FAR hasn't started slaughtering it's Christians. do some real research.is there persecution sporadically and real martyrdom? YA....welcome to being a CHRISTIAN.
sooooooooo.......when Iran says their govt will be Islamic, and minority religions endure discrimination - like....??
America says it will be (a christian?..nah) nation...and Muslims and others are threatened and harassed and stuff?
recently we had A Sikh Temple attacked and ppl shot - cuz they wear TURBANS...they musta been mooslims....COME ON!
no - how about this?
how about....stop with the sanctions and stop threatening to NUKE them every day, stop trying to overthrow or subvert the politically, normalize relations and mind ya business.
seriously.
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Zone - a comparison between religious persecution in Iran (by the Iranian GOVERNMENT) and religious persecution in the US (are you implying that the Obama government is involved)?
Please do not research the pipeline of Iranian Christians fleeing the country due to persecution. It is known that the first stop is Turkey, that they mix with Afghan refugees (both sharing a similar Persian dialect) and move on to Greece, where they attempt to remain undocumented. As they head west through Europe, the European Union will deport them to the first country that documented them. There are Christian ministries scattered across Europe to minister to them. Higher profile cases fear agents tracking them down. That is the game in Europe. If you applied your significant research skills to dig up more details, you could put lives at risk.
What I would like you to research is the pipeline of Muslims leaving the US for reasons of persecution. What countries do they go to first? What support systems do they have along the way? Where is the final destination of their travels? Have any stopped by your place looking for shelter?
Seriously!!
Please do not research the pipeline of Iranian Christians fleeing the country due to persecution. It is known that the first stop is Turkey, that they mix with Afghan refugees (both sharing a similar Persian dialect) and move on to Greece, where they attempt to remain undocumented. As they head west through Europe, the European Union will deport them to the first country that documented them. There are Christian ministries scattered across Europe to minister to them. Higher profile cases fear agents tracking them down. That is the game in Europe. If you applied your significant research skills to dig up more details, you could put lives at risk.
What I would like you to research is the pipeline of Muslims leaving the US for reasons of persecution. What countries do they go to first? What support systems do they have along the way? Where is the final destination of their travels? Have any stopped by your place looking for shelter?
Seriously!!
ONE CHRISTIAN PERSECUTED IS TOO MANY DREW, OKAY?
huh?
well, i suppose many would say their rights are being shaved away.
persecution of christians...no.
persecution of muslims in the US post-911? absolutely. which is disgraceful since they didn't do it.
unto death? i wouldn't know.
you're missing the point drew....Iran is officially a Muslim country. I DIDN'T CREATE THAT NATION or that religion...it is what it is.....this not a surprise to the Lord.
the West is supposedly Christian (?) and what do we do? well, things like millions of abortions of minorities etc. but that's another topic.
what i'm saying is we don't have (as NATIONS) a higher moral ground. < i see no evidence of it.
as individuals, and as the church - in this world of those hostile to Christ and us - we are supposed to.
one of the things, i assume...is: do not take part - for any reason - in the collective call (of our nation; or group of nations) to NUKE other people.
well, i will research it. i won't post on it.
what i will not do is agree to WARS of aggression (pre-emptive trash of today particularly). ever. that's not our calling.
defense, ya. these other abominations - NO.
drew, nobody thinks Saddam Hussien was a fuzzy warm uncle.
but take a look NOW. just google Depleted Urianium - children.
does this activity hold out promise that the fragile lives christians lived under Saddam will ever, ever be restored?
what about other countries in the region seeing that - are they going to be ANGRY?
SO-CALLED christian west blames 911 on arabs and destroys everything in sight. good for Christians in the region?
what do you think? helpful?
alright.
and that is Iran's fault HOW? that is the EU's doing. right?
well i don't want to do that. drew.
i have a proposal.
let's say NO to being over there STIRRING UP TROUBLE and killing people ALSO.
then maybe we can have some credibility and normalize relations and diplomacy can help.
is there some reason to NOT do that?
drew, you're making an emotional appeal and preaching to the choir with this part.
THE POINT IS - we and the EU and the WEST are supposed to DO BETTER, aren't we?
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Iranian Christian Sentenced to 10 Years in Evin Prison Freed
6:00AM EST 11/6/2013 WORLD WATCH MONITOR
An Iranian Christian sentenced to 10 years in prison has been released after three months.
Mostafa Bordbar, 27, was released Nov. 3 from Tehran’s Evin Prison after charges of participating in an “anti-security organization” and “gathering with intent to commit crimes against Iranian national security” were overturned.
Bordbar was arrested in December last year during Christmas celebrations with friends and sentenced in July. The Oct. 30 appeals court hearing cleared him of all charges.
Iran has come under increasing pressure from the international community to improve its human rights record, including its number of political prisoners or other prisoners of conscience, such as the more than 40 Christians behind bars.
In September, two Christians were released, a decision welcomed internationally. Mitra Rahmati and Maryam Jalili were nearing the end of their sentences and were released just ahead of new President Hassan Rouhani’s first address to the U.N. General Assembly in New York.
The U.S. ambassador to the U.N., Samantha Power, took to Twitter on Sept. 18 to hail the release of prisoners from Iran’s jails. “But it’s far from enough,” she wrote. “Those missing or unjustly detained, including Amir Hekmati, Saeed Abedini, and Bob Levinson, must be returned home.”
Hekmati is awaiting retrial in Iran on espionage charges. Levinson was kidnapped in Iran in 2007 and is believed to remain in government custody. Meanwhile, Abedini, an Iranian-born U.S. citizen and pastor serving eight years in prison for his missionary work, has written to Rouhani asking for justice and freedom.
At least 300 Christians have been arrested in the past three years in Iran, with the most common charges being actions against public security and propaganda against the regime. Many of these Christians were arrested while taking part in house churches, small meetings of Christians who gather to worship and pray together.
Human rights lawyer Attieh Fard told the United Nations Human Rights Council last month, “In bringing about these charges against Christians, both the government and the judiciary have made an error of law and fact because Christian gatherings either at homes or churches are mainly formed for Christians to worship together and to read and study the Bible, not to change the regime, and they do not have a goal of any political activity. So these are wrong judgments.”
Fard urged Rouhani to make good on his promises to the U.N. in New York by releasing the 42 Christians known to be in jail and the 45 awaiting trial.
Bordbar’s victory in court comes one week after another four Iranian Christians lost their own appeals, having been convicted of similar charges.
Iranian Christian Sentenced to 10 Years in Evin Prison Freed < who knows if this is remotely reliable.
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i've gone to anti-islam uber-extremist anti-Iran Robert Spencer's Jihad-watch site, looking for figures on Christians imprisoned in Iran - surely he would have lots of info:
- four Christian converts
- seven or eight Christians
Iran holding four converts to Christianity in prison with hands and feet chained - Jihad Watch
???????
one is too many.
okay?
but i agree with you on that.
THIS IS MY POINT:
Residents inspect a damaged church after a bomb attack in central Kirkuk, 250 km (155 miles) north of Baghdad, Aug. 15, 2011. (photo by REUTERS/Ako Rasheed )
Decade of Violence Threatens to Uproot Iraq's Christians
This fall, Rafael Aichoa, an Iraqi Christian in his 40s, will emigrate to Australia, joining the rest of his brothers and relatives. Aichoa realized that his connection to his ancestors' land had completely come to an end late last year, when he discovered his parents' mutilated bodies.
Read more: Decade of Violence Threatens To Uproot Iraq's Christians - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East
THAT IS OUR DOING (OUR NATIONS' DOING!!!!)
huh?
well, i suppose many would say their rights are being shaved away.
persecution of christians...no.
persecution of muslims in the US post-911? absolutely. which is disgraceful since they didn't do it.
unto death? i wouldn't know.
you're missing the point drew....Iran is officially a Muslim country. I DIDN'T CREATE THAT NATION or that religion...it is what it is.....this not a surprise to the Lord.
the West is supposedly Christian (?) and what do we do? well, things like millions of abortions of minorities etc. but that's another topic.
what i'm saying is we don't have (as NATIONS) a higher moral ground. < i see no evidence of it.
as individuals, and as the church - in this world of those hostile to Christ and us - we are supposed to.
one of the things, i assume...is: do not take part - for any reason - in the collective call (of our nation; or group of nations) to NUKE other people.
well, i will research it. i won't post on it.
what i will not do is agree to WARS of aggression (pre-emptive trash of today particularly). ever. that's not our calling.
defense, ya. these other abominations - NO.
drew, nobody thinks Saddam Hussien was a fuzzy warm uncle.
but take a look NOW. just google Depleted Urianium - children.
does this activity hold out promise that the fragile lives christians lived under Saddam will ever, ever be restored?
what about other countries in the region seeing that - are they going to be ANGRY?
SO-CALLED christian west blames 911 on arabs and destroys everything in sight. good for Christians in the region?
what do you think? helpful?
alright.
and that is Iran's fault HOW? that is the EU's doing. right?
well i don't want to do that. drew.
i have a proposal.
let's say NO to being over there STIRRING UP TROUBLE and killing people ALSO.
then maybe we can have some credibility and normalize relations and diplomacy can help.
is there some reason to NOT do that?
drew, you're making an emotional appeal and preaching to the choir with this part.
THE POINT IS - we and the EU and the WEST are supposed to DO BETTER, aren't we?
...
Iranian Christian Sentenced to 10 Years in Evin Prison Freed
6:00AM EST 11/6/2013 WORLD WATCH MONITOR
An Iranian Christian sentenced to 10 years in prison has been released after three months.
Mostafa Bordbar, 27, was released Nov. 3 from Tehran’s Evin Prison after charges of participating in an “anti-security organization” and “gathering with intent to commit crimes against Iranian national security” were overturned.
Bordbar was arrested in December last year during Christmas celebrations with friends and sentenced in July. The Oct. 30 appeals court hearing cleared him of all charges.
Iran has come under increasing pressure from the international community to improve its human rights record, including its number of political prisoners or other prisoners of conscience, such as the more than 40 Christians behind bars.
In September, two Christians were released, a decision welcomed internationally. Mitra Rahmati and Maryam Jalili were nearing the end of their sentences and were released just ahead of new President Hassan Rouhani’s first address to the U.N. General Assembly in New York.
The U.S. ambassador to the U.N., Samantha Power, took to Twitter on Sept. 18 to hail the release of prisoners from Iran’s jails. “But it’s far from enough,” she wrote. “Those missing or unjustly detained, including Amir Hekmati, Saeed Abedini, and Bob Levinson, must be returned home.”
Hekmati is awaiting retrial in Iran on espionage charges. Levinson was kidnapped in Iran in 2007 and is believed to remain in government custody. Meanwhile, Abedini, an Iranian-born U.S. citizen and pastor serving eight years in prison for his missionary work, has written to Rouhani asking for justice and freedom.
At least 300 Christians have been arrested in the past three years in Iran, with the most common charges being actions against public security and propaganda against the regime. Many of these Christians were arrested while taking part in house churches, small meetings of Christians who gather to worship and pray together.
Human rights lawyer Attieh Fard told the United Nations Human Rights Council last month, “In bringing about these charges against Christians, both the government and the judiciary have made an error of law and fact because Christian gatherings either at homes or churches are mainly formed for Christians to worship together and to read and study the Bible, not to change the regime, and they do not have a goal of any political activity. So these are wrong judgments.”
Fard urged Rouhani to make good on his promises to the U.N. in New York by releasing the 42 Christians known to be in jail and the 45 awaiting trial.
Bordbar’s victory in court comes one week after another four Iranian Christians lost their own appeals, having been convicted of similar charges.
Iranian Christian Sentenced to 10 Years in Evin Prison Freed < who knows if this is remotely reliable.
...
i've gone to anti-islam uber-extremist anti-Iran Robert Spencer's Jihad-watch site, looking for figures on Christians imprisoned in Iran - surely he would have lots of info:
- four Christian converts
- seven or eight Christians
Iran holding four converts to Christianity in prison with hands and feet chained - Jihad Watch
???????
one is too many.
okay?
but i agree with you on that.
THIS IS MY POINT:
Residents inspect a damaged church after a bomb attack in central Kirkuk, 250 km (155 miles) north of Baghdad, Aug. 15, 2011. (photo by REUTERS/Ako Rasheed )
Decade of Violence Threatens to Uproot Iraq's Christians
This fall, Rafael Aichoa, an Iraqi Christian in his 40s, will emigrate to Australia, joining the rest of his brothers and relatives. Aichoa realized that his connection to his ancestors' land had completely come to an end late last year, when he discovered his parents' mutilated bodies.
Read more: Decade of Violence Threatens To Uproot Iraq's Christians - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East
THAT IS OUR DOING (OUR NATIONS' DOING!!!!)
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