-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
The Talmud Tested: A Comparison of the Principles and Doctrines of Modern Judaism with the Religion of Moses and the Prophets
- Alexander McCaul, Professor of Hebrew and Rabbinic Literature at Kings College, London
Partial list of Contents
Judaism’s perversion of Moses
Rabbinic injustice to women, slaves and gentiles
Rabbinic intolerance toward other nations
Hatred in the Talmud contrasted with charity in the Bible
Compulsory conversion of gentiles
Judaism’s ‘anti-semitic’ attitude toward fellow Jews regarded as am ha’aretz
Impoverished Jews whipped for accepting help from Christians
Converts to Christianity to be killed
Rabbinic contempt for sons of Noah
Intolerance of rabbinic prayers
Rabbinic lies and legends
Judaism a heathen religion: astrology, charms and amulets
Excommunication in Judaism
Synagogue system based on the oral law
Members of the Sanhedrin had to be skilled in magic
Polygamy
Divorce
Judaism’s oppression of the poor
Propaganda techniques and tricks of rabbinic deceit
Judaism as moral and intellectual slavery.
Rabbinic authority exalted above all others
Jews forbidden to love their gentile neighbors
Rabbinic permission to violate God’s commands
The rabbinic criminal code
The impenitent Jew at the tribunal of God’s judgment
and much more.
...
"A Comparison of the Principles and Doctrines of Modern Judaism with the Religion of Moses and the Prophets"
i often wonder why Christians (and others) don't understand the evil nature of the parallel religion of Talmudic Judaism posing (for the unaware) as Moses & The Prophets.
i'm fully aware that we should expect little else from the unregenerate.....Islam; Pagan Religions, etc.
but Talmudic Judaism is specifically insidious, as it takes the Name of The True God and makes a mockery of everything He is; said, and did.
and it masquerades as Moses & The prophets (primarily for self-preservation; and for the continued "blessings" from America per - the ludicrous re-interpretation of Genesis 12:3).
i lay the blame for damage done to Christianity.... (and the True Judaism still practiced by a few in the Jewish community (Karaites)...though without coming to the knowledge of Christ through Moses, even that will avail them nothing)....at the feet of those inside the Body of Christ who are supposed to know this. why don't we KNOW what Jesus was so against?
are we afraid to research? afraid to speak?
i understand that. persecution isn't fun.
......
i wonder how it is Christians (who used to know this) openly ridicule and reject the notion that Mystery, Babylon The Great was indeed 1st Century Jerusalem...as these antiGod / antichrist doctrines which had been adopted and developed in Babylon and were leavened into Biblical Judaism/Torah (Which is basically Christianity).
when Jesus walked the earth in Judea/Jerusalem and region - there was a division among the people because of HIM.
not just doubt vs certainty:
Love, understanding and joy that this was the Promised Messiah - vs - Revolutionary subversion and murderous hatred that this was The Messiah.
The Bible testifies to this over, and over.
Jesus Himself makes it plain.
Revelation 17:5
4The woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a gold cup full of abominations and of the unclean things of her immorality, 5and on her forehead a name was written, a mystery, "BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." 6And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus
yet, we have Christians who refuse to believe it.
perhaps it's because the disguise has been so successful.
Last edited:
CC (Robo) has been very good about allowing quotes from the Talmud.
certain members, however protest much.
why, i am not sure.
anyway: here it is online. in English - Soncino Edition.
English Babylonian Talmud
Halakhah.com Babylonian Talmud Online in English
certain members, however protest much.
why, i am not sure.
anyway: here it is online. in English - Soncino Edition.
English Babylonian Talmud
Halakhah.com Babylonian Talmud Online in English
why aren't you doing some homework?
The sages of the Talmud see a direct link between themselves and the Pharisees, and historians generally consider Pharisaic Judaism to be the progenitor of Rabbinic Judaism, that is normative, mainstream Judaism after the destruction of the Second Temple.
All mainstream forms of Judaism today consider themselves heirs of Rabbinic Judaism and, ultimately, the Pharisees.
The sages of the Talmud see a direct link between themselves and the Pharisees, and historians generally consider Pharisaic Judaism to be the progenitor of Rabbinic Judaism, that is normative, mainstream Judaism after the destruction of the Second Temple.
All mainstream forms of Judaism today consider themselves heirs of Rabbinic Judaism and, ultimately, the Pharisees.
C
PROPOGANDA!; When Mark Twain passed through the land was practically empty - see post #2
INNOCENTS ABROAD BY MARK TWAIN, COMPLETE
When Jews began returning to the land in the late 1800s the Arabs felt compelled to run interference and began moving into the land in a big way. The majority of what population that there was was Christian, followed by Jewish.
Up until this time no had EVER suggested that Mohamet visited Jerusalem; you DO NOT find Jerusalem in the Koran.
The Moslems began a campaign of squatting and rewriting history which goes on until this day.
INNOCENTS ABROAD BY MARK TWAIN, COMPLETE
When Jews began returning to the land in the late 1800s the Arabs felt compelled to run interference and began moving into the land in a big way. The majority of what population that there was was Christian, followed by Jewish.
Up until this time no had EVER suggested that Mohamet visited Jerusalem; you DO NOT find Jerusalem in the Koran.
The Moslems began a campaign of squatting and rewriting history which goes on until this day.
you know...i can not STAND LYING PROPAGANDA.
you clearly think the majority of your audience is uninformed (stupid) or doesn't care.
unfortunately for YOU - neither applies to me.
so let's see who has an interest doing what you do - SURPRISE! as if i didn't know.
i'll be reporting you from now on for knowingly posting false information.
any 12 year old that has even thought about this issue has encountered the Mark Twain trick.
disgusting.
...........
Travelers' impressions of 19th-century Palestine
In Chapters 46, 39, 52 and 56 of his Innocents Abroad, American author Mark Twain wrote of his visit to Palestine in 1867: "Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that has withered its fields and fettered its energies. Palestine is desolate and unlovely -- Palestine is no more of this workday world. It is sacred to poetry and tradition, it is dreamland."(Chapter 56)[28] "There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country". (Chapter 52)[29] "A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action. We reached Tabor safely. We never saw a human being on the whole route". (Chapter 49)[30] "There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent – not for thirty miles in either direction. ...One may ride ten miles (16 km) hereabouts and not see ten human beings." ...these unpeopled deserts, these rusty mounds of barrenness..."(Chapter 46)[31]
These descriptions of the often quoted non-arable areas few people would inhabit are as Twain says, "by contrast" to occasional scenes of arable land and productive agriculture: "The narrow canon in which Nablous, or Shechem, is situated, is under high cultivation, and the soil is exceedingly black and fertile. It is well watered, and its affluent vegetation gains effect by contrast with the barren hills that tower on either side"..."Sometimes, in the glens, we came upon luxuriant orchards of figs, apricots, pomegranates, and such things, but oftener the scenery was rugged, mountainous, verdureless and forbidding"..."We came finally to the noble grove of orange-trees in which the Oriental city of Jaffa lies buried"..."Small shreds and patches of it must be very beautiful in the full flush of spring, however, and all the more beautiful by contrast with the far-reaching desolation that surrounds them on every side [32]
Bayard Taylor who wrote of the Jezreel Valley in 1852 ".. one of the richest districts in the world"..."The soil is a dark-brown loam, and, without manure, produces annually superb crops of wheat and barley." [33] Laurence Oliphant wrote in 1887, again of the Valley of Jezreel "..a huge green lake of waving wheat, with its village-crowned mounds rising from it like islands ... it presents one of the most striking pictures of luxuriant fertility which it is possible to conceive"[34]
Kathleen Christison, an American author who spent sixteen years as an analyst for the CIA, was critical of attempts to use Twain's humorous writing as a literal description of Palestine at that time.
She writes that "Twain's descriptions are high in Israeli government press handouts that present a case for Israel's redemption of a land that had previously been empty and barren. His gross characterizations of the land and the people in the time before mass Jewish immigration are also often used by US propagandists for Israel."[35] For example she noted that Twain described the Samaritans of Nablus at length without mentioning the much larger Arab population at all.[36] The Arab population of Nablus at the time was about 20,000.[37]
Demographics of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click
your JUNK just steels my resolve to make sure you don't keep getting away with this.
......
for those who care:
THE 1948 ETHNIC CLEANSING
OF PALESTINE
ILAN PAPPE
http://palestine-studies.org/enakba/exodus/Pappe, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.pdf < click
MORE COMING..........
you clearly think the majority of your audience is uninformed (stupid) or doesn't care.
unfortunately for YOU - neither applies to me.
so let's see who has an interest doing what you do - SURPRISE! as if i didn't know.
i'll be reporting you from now on for knowingly posting false information.
any 12 year old that has even thought about this issue has encountered the Mark Twain trick.
disgusting.
...........
Travelers' impressions of 19th-century Palestine
In Chapters 46, 39, 52 and 56 of his Innocents Abroad, American author Mark Twain wrote of his visit to Palestine in 1867: "Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that has withered its fields and fettered its energies. Palestine is desolate and unlovely -- Palestine is no more of this workday world. It is sacred to poetry and tradition, it is dreamland."(Chapter 56)[28] "There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country". (Chapter 52)[29] "A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action. We reached Tabor safely. We never saw a human being on the whole route". (Chapter 49)[30] "There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent – not for thirty miles in either direction. ...One may ride ten miles (16 km) hereabouts and not see ten human beings." ...these unpeopled deserts, these rusty mounds of barrenness..."(Chapter 46)[31]
These descriptions of the often quoted non-arable areas few people would inhabit are as Twain says, "by contrast" to occasional scenes of arable land and productive agriculture: "The narrow canon in which Nablous, or Shechem, is situated, is under high cultivation, and the soil is exceedingly black and fertile. It is well watered, and its affluent vegetation gains effect by contrast with the barren hills that tower on either side"..."Sometimes, in the glens, we came upon luxuriant orchards of figs, apricots, pomegranates, and such things, but oftener the scenery was rugged, mountainous, verdureless and forbidding"..."We came finally to the noble grove of orange-trees in which the Oriental city of Jaffa lies buried"..."Small shreds and patches of it must be very beautiful in the full flush of spring, however, and all the more beautiful by contrast with the far-reaching desolation that surrounds them on every side [32]
Bayard Taylor who wrote of the Jezreel Valley in 1852 ".. one of the richest districts in the world"..."The soil is a dark-brown loam, and, without manure, produces annually superb crops of wheat and barley." [33] Laurence Oliphant wrote in 1887, again of the Valley of Jezreel "..a huge green lake of waving wheat, with its village-crowned mounds rising from it like islands ... it presents one of the most striking pictures of luxuriant fertility which it is possible to conceive"[34]
Kathleen Christison, an American author who spent sixteen years as an analyst for the CIA, was critical of attempts to use Twain's humorous writing as a literal description of Palestine at that time.
She writes that "Twain's descriptions are high in Israeli government press handouts that present a case for Israel's redemption of a land that had previously been empty and barren. His gross characterizations of the land and the people in the time before mass Jewish immigration are also often used by US propagandists for Israel."[35] For example she noted that Twain described the Samaritans of Nablus at length without mentioning the much larger Arab population at all.[36] The Arab population of Nablus at the time was about 20,000.[37]
Demographics of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click
your JUNK just steels my resolve to make sure you don't keep getting away with this.
......
for those who care:
THE 1948 ETHNIC CLEANSING
OF PALESTINE
ILAN PAPPE
http://palestine-studies.org/enakba/exodus/Pappe, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.pdf < click
MORE COMING..........
Last edited:
And that leads to a question,these being the traditions of men that Jesus spoke so much against and we are told that the light and darkness cannot mix (That being darkness) how then can one then say that Christians are to support EITHER side? Add to that Paul says this
Titus 1
5 The reason I left you in Crete was that you might put in order what was left unfinished and appoint[a] elders in every town, as I directed you. 6 An elder must be blameless, faithful to his wife, a man whose children believe[b] and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. 7 Since an overseer manages God’s household, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain.8 Rather, he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good,who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. 9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.
10 For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group.11 They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach—and that for the sake of dishonest gain. 12 One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.”[c] 13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith 14 and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth. 15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. 16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.
How then can one IGNORE Paul's very clear warning to stay away from this stuff? How does one justify backing those who are still in darkness,when the Bible is so clear that we are NOT TO have anything to do with it?
[HR][/HR]
Titus 1
5 The reason I left you in Crete was that you might put in order what was left unfinished and appoint[a] elders in every town, as I directed you. 6 An elder must be blameless, faithful to his wife, a man whose children believe[b] and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. 7 Since an overseer manages God’s household, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain.8 Rather, he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good,who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. 9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.
10 For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group.11 They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach—and that for the sake of dishonest gain. 12 One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.”[c] 13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith 14 and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth. 15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. 16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.
How then can one IGNORE Paul's very clear warning to stay away from this stuff? How does one justify backing those who are still in darkness,when the Bible is so clear that we are NOT TO have anything to do with it?
[HR][/HR]
Public diplomacy in Israel (also hasbara) (Hebrew: הַסְבָּרָה hasbará, "explaining") refers to public relations efforts to disseminate information about Israel.[1][2] The term is used by the Israeli government and its supporters to describe efforts to explain government policies and promote Israel in the face of negative press, and to counter what they see as delegitimisation of Israel around the world. Hasbara means "explanation", and is also a euphemism for propaganda.[3][4][5][6]
Public diplomacy (Israel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
......
The research presented here is Molad's first long-form publication.
Its purpose is to examine the widespread assumption that ascribes Israel's deteriorating international standing to poor public relations – what is termed the “hasbara problem". Repeatedly blaming the “hasbara problem” for Israel’s foreign policy failures functions as an easy excuse that blinds Israelis to the root of the problem.
While this claim contained a grain of truth in the past, significant improvements in recent years have made Israel's hasbara apparatus into one of the finest public diplomacy networks in the world. Israeli citizens should be able to finally bid farewell to the notion of the “hasbara problem” and turn their attention to our real problem: The ongoing failure of Israeli defense and foreign policy...
http://www.molad.org/images/upload/researches/79983052033642.pdf
Israeli Hasbara:
Myths and Facts
Jerusalem, December 2012 < oh just figuring out now that [Mark Twain level] propaganda isn't working?
Public diplomacy (Israel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
......
The research presented here is Molad's first long-form publication.
Its purpose is to examine the widespread assumption that ascribes Israel's deteriorating international standing to poor public relations – what is termed the “hasbara problem". Repeatedly blaming the “hasbara problem” for Israel’s foreign policy failures functions as an easy excuse that blinds Israelis to the root of the problem.
While this claim contained a grain of truth in the past, significant improvements in recent years have made Israel's hasbara apparatus into one of the finest public diplomacy networks in the world. Israeli citizens should be able to finally bid farewell to the notion of the “hasbara problem” and turn their attention to our real problem: The ongoing failure of Israeli defense and foreign policy...
http://www.molad.org/images/upload/researches/79983052033642.pdf
Israeli Hasbara:
Myths and Facts
Jerusalem, December 2012 < oh just figuring out now that [Mark Twain level] propaganda isn't working?
Last edited:
Yes, it is strong wording, and I do not use it lightly.
The Biblical errors of its theology, which separates the Church and Israel, presented in #565,
is a denial of the gospel.
That makes it heresy.
And the Biblical errors of its eschatology were presented in #549.
Evidently, you have not examined it fully in the full light of the NT and are unaware of its heresy.
I think perhaps that judgment, according to the NT, is best left to God (Mt 7:1).
We are not qualified to judge rightly the motives of men's hearts (1Co 4:4-5), including our own (v.3).
The Biblical errors of its theology, which separates the Church and Israel, presented in #565,
is a denial of the gospel.
That makes it heresy.
And the Biblical errors of its eschatology were presented in #549.
Evidently, you have not examined it fully in the full light of the NT and are unaware of its heresy.
I think perhaps that judgment, according to the NT, is best left to God (Mt 7:1).
We are not qualified to judge rightly the motives of men's hearts (1Co 4:4-5), including our own (v.3).
Last edited:
M
Should we commend the Communists for all their ill-gotten gains, or the Nazis for their stolen treasures? Should we commend the international usurers for the usury they lawlessly extract from the poor? You sound as if you are preaching that the ends justifies the means, and that wealth in this life indicates God's pleasure and blessing. Is this the Dispensational version of the prosperity gospel?