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no LT.
not confused at all about what dispensationalists teach.
we can start a thread specifically for that. i am reasonably familiar with it...every detail.
here's the problem:
"The current "program" requires Jews to accept Christ as Lord, or be rejected themselves. It preaches a separate "program" for the ancient Jews, and a separate "program" for future Jews(in the Millennium Period)."
huh? separate program for ancient jews?
were they not saved by faith in God's promises, by His Mercy and Grace, by election?
a separate program for future jews? (The Millennium?)
what was wrong with this AGE - The Messianic Age - where they have heard the Gospel.....and accepted or rejected?
they need a separate dispensation AFTER THE DAY OF JUDGMENT?
what's the Millennium FOR?
you really have to document this in Scripture...sooner or later.
it's a myth.
unless you can prove it from the bible.
what does paul mean by this (if he knew the jews had a separate dispensation coming)?:
Romans 10
1Brothers,a my heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. 2For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.b
The Message of Salvation to All
5For Moses writes about the righteousness that is based on the law, that the person who does the commandments shall live by them. 6But the righteousness based on faith says, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down) 7or “‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); 9because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
14How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard?c And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” 17So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.
18But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for
“Their voice has gone out to all the earth,
and their words to the ends of the world.”
19But I ask, did Israel not understand? First Moses says,
“I will make you jealous of those who are not a nation;
with a foolish nation I will make you angry.”
20Then Isaiah is so bold as to say,
“I have been found by those who did not seek me;
I have shown myself to those who did not ask for me.”
21But of Israel he says, “All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and contrary people.”
not confused at all about what dispensationalists teach.
we can start a thread specifically for that. i am reasonably familiar with it...every detail.
here's the problem:
"The current "program" requires Jews to accept Christ as Lord, or be rejected themselves. It preaches a separate "program" for the ancient Jews, and a separate "program" for future Jews(in the Millennium Period)."
huh? separate program for ancient jews?
were they not saved by faith in God's promises, by His Mercy and Grace, by election?
a separate program for future jews? (The Millennium?)
what was wrong with this AGE - The Messianic Age - where they have heard the Gospel.....and accepted or rejected?
they need a separate dispensation AFTER THE DAY OF JUDGMENT?
what's the Millennium FOR?
you really have to document this in Scripture...sooner or later.
it's a myth.
unless you can prove it from the bible.
what does paul mean by this (if he knew the jews had a separate dispensation coming)?:
Romans 10
1Brothers,a my heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. 2For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.b
The Message of Salvation to All
5For Moses writes about the righteousness that is based on the law, that the person who does the commandments shall live by them. 6But the righteousness based on faith says, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down) 7or “‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); 9because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
14How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard?c And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” 17So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.
18But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for
“Their voice has gone out to all the earth,
and their words to the ends of the world.”
19But I ask, did Israel not understand? First Moses says,
“I will make you jealous of those who are not a nation;
with a foolish nation I will make you angry.”
20Then Isaiah is so bold as to say,
“I have been found by those who did not seek me;
I have shown myself to those who did not ask for me.”
21But of Israel he says, “All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and contrary people.”
I'm the US and I support Israel for several reasons, none of which is "because they live in unbelief".
Matt 7:6 ¶ Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
BradC, we already know your opinion of "flesh/skin".
שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל
Matt 7:6 ¶ Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
BradC, we already know your opinion of "flesh/skin".
שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל
שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל
[video=youtube;X9V_0h67G9c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6pgg7khyYU[/video]
Shˁma Yisrael by Sarit Hadad
When the heart cries
only God hears
The pain rises out of the soul
A man falls down before he sinks down
With a little prayer (he) cuts the silence
Shma (Hear) Israel my God,
you're the omnipotent
You gave me my life,
you gave me everything
In my eyes a tear,
the heart cries quietly
And when the heart is quiet,
the soul screams
Shma (Hear) Israel my God,
now I am alone
Make me strong my God;
make it that I won't be afraid
The pain is big,
and there's no where to run away
End it because I can't take it anymore
(make the end of it because I have no more energy left within me)
When the heart cries,
Time stands still
All of a sudden, the man sees his entire life
He doesn't want to go to the unknown
He cries to his God right before a big fall
[video=youtube;X9V_0h67G9c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6pgg7khyYU[/video]
Shˁma Yisrael by Sarit Hadad
When the heart cries
only God hears
The pain rises out of the soul
A man falls down before he sinks down
With a little prayer (he) cuts the silence
Shma (Hear) Israel my God,
you're the omnipotent
You gave me my life,
you gave me everything
In my eyes a tear,
the heart cries quietly
And when the heart is quiet,
the soul screams
Shma (Hear) Israel my God,
now I am alone
Make me strong my God;
make it that I won't be afraid
The pain is big,
and there's no where to run away
End it because I can't take it anymore
(make the end of it because I have no more energy left within me)
When the heart cries,
Time stands still
All of a sudden, the man sees his entire life
He doesn't want to go to the unknown
He cries to his God right before a big fall
yes..it is.
treasonous idolatry as well.
(applies to all unbelievers...not just jews).
though xtians idolizing judaism or jewish beliefs or practices or culture BECAUSE they fear being cursed by God per: corruption Gen 12 OR because they have invented the Ultimate Replacement Theology:
JESUS AS GOD'S PLAN replaced by the Jewish State in the ME.
treasonous idolatry as well.
(applies to all unbelievers...not just jews).
though xtians idolizing judaism or jewish beliefs or practices or culture BECAUSE they fear being cursed by God per: corruption Gen 12 OR because they have invented the Ultimate Replacement Theology:
JESUS AS GOD'S PLAN replaced by the Jewish State in the ME.
B
The request was not for you but go ahead and answer it if you like. Should we commend the people of Israel for the fruitfulness that has flourished in their land or do we ascribe evil to them to nullify their accomplishments? Simple question for anyone if they want to answer instead of analyzing the request.
they stole the land - ethnically cleansing semites who dwelt there in peace for 1500 years caring for the land.
they stole the resources and they continue to expand despite the settlement being declared ILLEGAL.
they bulldoze 500 year old olive groves.
they bulldoze arab houses.
they could not have had "the fruitfulness that has flourished in their land" without American money in the billions assisting.
they are there are Christ-rejectors; oppressing the people who were there when they arrived?....and you say God is blessing that?
no...America is Blessing "that" because they got sucker punched by a simple rewrite of Genesis 12:3.
how are those blessings working out for America?
did God forget?
they stole the resources and they continue to expand despite the settlement being declared ILLEGAL.
they bulldoze 500 year old olive groves.
they bulldoze arab houses.
they could not have had "the fruitfulness that has flourished in their land" without American money in the billions assisting.
they are there are Christ-rejectors; oppressing the people who were there when they arrived?....and you say God is blessing that?
no...America is Blessing "that" because they got sucker punched by a simple rewrite of Genesis 12:3.
how are those blessings working out for America?
did God forget?
B
We have been patient and have tried to reason with them and we hoped for the best. At this stage I am going to leave them to their own devises and what they have convinced themselves to be the truth. My personal opinion is that they are naturally minded toward the things of God with prejudice and that has influenced how they believe.
and some have been patient with dispensationalist heresies.
who do not know the things of God.
they know the things they were taught by false teachers.
and they persist in spite of being shown.
hardened in unbelief.
believing false doctrine (and teaching it) is a serious matter.
one that leads to a sorry state.
repent dear friend.
i know a way out of dispnsationalism - if you ever realize you're in trouble.
past insults are forgiven.
PM me if you want help.
if not, can't help you...and will continue to stand against your false doctrine.
in the hope God in His goodness will lead you to repentance.
don't delay.
back on ignore - for both our sakes.
who do not know the things of God.
they know the things they were taught by false teachers.
and they persist in spite of being shown.
hardened in unbelief.
believing false doctrine (and teaching it) is a serious matter.
one that leads to a sorry state.
repent dear friend.
i know a way out of dispnsationalism - if you ever realize you're in trouble.
past insults are forgiven.
PM me if you want help.
if not, can't help you...and will continue to stand against your false doctrine.
in the hope God in His goodness will lead you to repentance.
don't delay.
back on ignore - for both our sakes.
The article you posted is deceptive Messianic propaganda.
There Is No New Anti-Semitism | BaltimoreChronicle.com
The Baltimore Chronicle
OPED:
There Is No New Anti-Semitism
by RABBI MICHAEL LERNER
The New York Times reported on January 31 about the most recent attempt by the American Jewish community to conflate intense criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. In a neat little example of slippery slope, the report on "Progressive Jewish Thought and the New Anti-Semitism," written by Alvin H. Rosenfeld, moves from exposing the actual anti-Semitism of those who deny Israel's right to exist—and hence deny to the Jewish people the same right to national self-determination that they grant to every other people on the planet—to those who powerfully and consistently attack Israel's policies toward Palestinians, see Israel as racist the way that it treats Israeli-Arabs (or even Sephardic Jews), or who analogize Israel's policies to those of apartheid as instituted by South Africa.
...
What the Jewish establishment organizations have done is to make invisible the strong roots in Judaism for a different kind of policy. The most frequently repeated injunction in Torah are variations of the following command: "Do not oppress the stranger (the 'other'). Remember that you were strangers in the land of Egypt." Instead, the Jewish establishment has turned Judaism into a cheer-leading religion for a particular national state that has a lot of Jews, but has seriously lost sight of the Jewish values which early Zionists hoped would find realization there.
There Is No New Anti-Semitism | BaltimoreChronicle.com
The Baltimore Chronicle
OPED:
There Is No New Anti-Semitism
by RABBI MICHAEL LERNER
The New York Times reported on January 31 about the most recent attempt by the American Jewish community to conflate intense criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. In a neat little example of slippery slope, the report on "Progressive Jewish Thought and the New Anti-Semitism," written by Alvin H. Rosenfeld, moves from exposing the actual anti-Semitism of those who deny Israel's right to exist—and hence deny to the Jewish people the same right to national self-determination that they grant to every other people on the planet—to those who powerfully and consistently attack Israel's policies toward Palestinians, see Israel as racist the way that it treats Israeli-Arabs (or even Sephardic Jews), or who analogize Israel's policies to those of apartheid as instituted by South Africa.
...
What the Jewish establishment organizations have done is to make invisible the strong roots in Judaism for a different kind of policy. The most frequently repeated injunction in Torah are variations of the following command: "Do not oppress the stranger (the 'other'). Remember that you were strangers in the land of Egypt." Instead, the Jewish establishment has turned Judaism into a cheer-leading religion for a particular national state that has a lot of Jews, but has seriously lost sight of the Jewish values which early Zionists hoped would find realization there.
J
I tried to like this more than once...wasn't happening that but is as much truth as you can get about the plot of land over there. If Genesis 12:3 held true, why is the United States is such debt. Why is the country leaning all the way into sin? Or what about that verse that they would be lenders and not borrowers? Because they live in a place they call Israel doesn't make them the Children of Israel nor the seed of Abraham. Why is that so hard to comprehend?
R
semites dwelling in peace... Muslim conquest of the Levant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
more semites dwelling in peace... Siege of Jerusalem (1187) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
still more semites dwelling in peace... Siege of Acre (1291) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
one last example of semites dwelling in peace... 1834 Arab revolt in Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and now back to your regularly scheduled 'research'...
more semites dwelling in peace... Siege of Jerusalem (1187) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
still more semites dwelling in peace... Siege of Acre (1291) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
one last example of semites dwelling in peace... 1834 Arab revolt in Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and now back to your regularly scheduled 'research'...
U
I want to talk about this issue, but this thread is looking far too toxic. I have another thread focused on the theology, not prejudice. http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...view-scripture-dividing-people-scripture.html
I think we need to seperate Khazars from Yahdai (Jews).
Khazars are non Hebrew blood who converted to Judaisim, aka the Talmud of the Pharisees.
Revelation 2:9, "I know your works, and tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich), and I know how you are slandered by those who say they are Yahdaim, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."
Real Yahdai (Jews) are blood Hebrews
Malakyah 3:6, "For I am Yahweh, I change not; therefore you sons of Yaaqob are not consumed."
Revelation 7:4-5, "And I heard the number of those who were sealed: And there were sealed 144,000 of all the tribes of the children of Israyl. Of the tribe of Yahdah (Judah) were sealed 12,000..."
Khazars are non Hebrew blood who converted to Judaisim, aka the Talmud of the Pharisees.
Revelation 2:9, "I know your works, and tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich), and I know how you are slandered by those who say they are Yahdaim, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."
Real Yahdai (Jews) are blood Hebrews
Malakyah 3:6, "For I am Yahweh, I change not; therefore you sons of Yaaqob are not consumed."
Revelation 7:4-5, "And I heard the number of those who were sealed: And there were sealed 144,000 of all the tribes of the children of Israyl. Of the tribe of Yahdah (Judah) were sealed 12,000..."