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BradC

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speeches speeches.
defending the cult of dispensationalism.

there's no "understanding these things in the Spirit" as being from Him; His Plan.

there is understanding from Him, however, that these things are not from Him.
the fact you are not convicted by Him over this false doctrine ought to concern you.
i know it concerns me a great deal that you're not.

but, i will keep posting against dispensationalism - you go right on ahead and try to justify it - from the Scriptures.
we have nothing in common.
That is a shame, but it is a fact, with the exception of the finished work of Calvary and the blood that was shed for all men.
 
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That is a shame, but it is a fact, with the exception of the finished work of Calvary and the blood that was shed for all men.
Amen Bro. Brad!:)
 

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That is a shame, but it is a fact, with the exception of the finished work of Calvary and the blood that was shed for all men.
except the blind jews who get unblind and saved magically when the mystery gentile church vanishes.

you teach some other gospel and another christ.

if His work wasn't finished for them, it's not finished for you.
 
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That's one thing that I never got about dispensations? If Israel and the Church are separate, it totally contradicts Acts and the earliest Christian's being Israelites. It also totally ignores that while Paul was going for the Gentiles, the other disciples were still trying to reach Judeans. It's just a whole lot of confusion with that, or I'm just not that good at "rightly dividing." (considering that there is no concrete time the "Church Age" started, I guess they aren't neither *shrugs*)
Let's see if we can stop you from being removed from the simplicity that is in Christ. This is just an illustration with one application. I come from a family of French settlers from Ontario. I meet a Jewish girl with an Israeli background and we get married and she becomes part of our family. I am a Gentile and she is Jewish. Has she stopped being Jewish being married to me or have I stopped being a Gentile being yoked up with her? We both then become Christians through Jesus Christ, has that changed who she is or who I am? We are both Christians, but she is a Jewish believer and I am a Gentile believer and we are one in Christ as well as one flesh through marriage. That's pretty straight forward and uncomplicated don't you think.

Those who are of Israel and live in unbelief concerning Christ they are not part of the church or body of Christ. But any Jew of Israel who believes in Jesus Christ and him crucified, in this dispensation of grace, becomes a member of Christ's church body with those Gentiles who also believe. Now Israel, made up of those who have been blinded and remain in unbelief, they are still Israel though they be in unbelief. But the Israel of God who have believed are the children of promise (a remnant) by faith along with the Gentiles with that middle wall of partition being broken down. Tell me which one of the disciples stopped being Jewish when they realized who Jesus really was and believed in his words, by the same token, tell me which one of the Gentiles who believed the gospel became Jewish when they believed upon Christ? Did not happen. We have one body today that makes up the church in this dispensation of grace, which is made up of both Jew and Gentile in Christ. There has been an adjustment that both have had to make by faith, through the Spirit with lots of grace to be able to function as one body.
 
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Let's see if we can stop you from being removed from the simplicity that is in Christ. This is just an illustration with one application. I come from a family of French settlers from Ontario. I meet a Jewish girl with an Israeli background and we get married and she becomes part of our family. I am a Gentile and she is Jewish. Has she stopped being Jewish being married to me or have I stopped being a Gentile being yoked up with her? We both then become Christians through Jesus Christ, has that changed who she is or who I am? We are both Christians, but she is a Jewish believer and I am a Gentile believer and we are one in Christ as well as one flesh through marriage. That's pretty straight forward and uncomplicated don't you think.

Those who are of Israel and live in unbelief concerning Christ they are not part of the church or body of Christ. But any Jew of Israel who believes in Jesus Christ and him crucified, in this dispensation of grace, becomes a member of Christ's church body with those Gentiles who also believe. Now Israel, made up of those who have been blinded and remain in unbelief, they are still Israel though they be in unbelief. But the Israel of God who have believed are the children of promise (a remnant) by faith along with the Gentiles with that middle wall of partition being broken down. Tell me which one of the disciples stopped being Jewish when they realized who Jesus really was and believed in his words, by the same token, tell me which one of the Gentiles who believed the gospel became Jewish when they believed upon Christ? Did not happen. We have one body today that makes up the church in this dispensation of grace, which is made up of both Jew and Gentile in Christ. There has been an adjustment that both have had to make by faith, through the Spirit with lots of grace to be able to function as one body.
Hi Brad,

The only thing with your example is she is not Jewish believer in the sense of scripture because she is not from the region of Judean and are you certain that she is from the Tribe of Judah. That would only leave her to be a religious Jew, which would make the phrase "Jewish believer" some what of an oxymoron. We have to ask ourselves the question and test it on the scriptures, what makes a modern Jew a Jew and what made the disciples Jews? (quick hint, it wasn't their religion).

But to answer your question, no they did not stop being "Jews," just like when I came to Christ, I didn't stop being American or stop being my fathers child.

Also, to expound on your use of Romans 11, if you really read that (and I think that I have mentioned this before), Paul didn't mention "Jew" anywhere in that chapter. To quote verse 26 "so all Israel shall be saved." Not just "Jews" but ALL ISRAEL and he wasn't talking about those who live on a plot of land, because guess what, Israel was not in existence during the life of Paul, nor did Paul talk about a state of Israel being formed, but was speaking to the Children of Israel.

But truthfully, if not believing Darby's bastardization of scripture makes my view of Christ simplistic, I would rather stay there.
 
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Let's see if we can stop you from being removed from the simplicity that is in Christ. This is just an illustration with one application. I come from a family of French settlers from Ontario. I meet a Jewish girl with an Israeli background and we get married and she becomes part of our family. I am a Gentile and she is Jewish. Has she stopped being Jewish being married to me or have I stopped being a Gentile being yoked up with her? We both then become Christians through Jesus Christ, has that changed who she is or who I am? We are both Christians, but she is a Jewish believer and I am a Gentile believer and we are one in Christ as well as one flesh through marriage. That's pretty straight forward and uncomplicated don't you think.

Those who are of Israel and live in unbelief concerning Christ they are not part of the church or body of Christ. But any Jew of Israel who believes in Jesus Christ and him crucified, in this dispensation of grace, becomes a member of Christ's church body with those Gentiles who also believe. Now Israel, made up of those who have been blinded and remain in unbelief, they are still Israel though they be in unbelief. But the Israel of God who have believed are the children of promise (a remnant) by faith along with the Gentiles with that middle wall of partition being broken down. Tell me which one of the disciples stopped being Jewish when they realized who Jesus really was and believed in his words, by the same token, tell me which one of the Gentiles who believed the gospel became Jewish when they believed upon Christ? Did not happen. We have one body today that makes up the church in this dispensation of grace, which is made up of both Jew and Gentile in Christ. There has been an adjustment that both have had to make by faith, through the Spirit with lots of grace to be able to function as one body.
Excellent explanation Bro. Brad! As an ethnic Jew who is born again, I can relate to everything you have said here. My husband is a born again Gentile. We are "one flesh" through marriage and one in Christ Jesus through faith. That is very straightforward to me.

Romans 11:5 defines the "Israel of God" that Paul speaks of in Galatians 6:16. During this dispensation of grace, God is creating a special body of saved people composed both of Jews and Gentiles (Acts 15:14-16; Ephesians 3:3-7). This does not mean that God has forsaken the nation of Israel (Romans 9-11). In the book of Hebrews it states that every New Testament believer partakes of the spiritual blessings of the New Covenant through Christ, but nowhere does God say that this covenant has been transferred from national Israel to the church. Hebrews does not say the New Covenant is fulfilled in the church. The Apostle Paul taught that the New Covenant will be literally fulfilled following the church age (Romans 11:25-27).

The promise of the New Covenant:

(1) It was made with the nation Israel (Jeremiah 31:31).
(2) It will replace the Mosaic covenant (Jeremiah 31:32; Hebrews 10:8-9).
(3) It promises regeneration and cleansing from sin (Jeremiah 31:33-34).
(4) It reaffirms Israel's national security and future kingdom (Jeremiah 31:35-37).
(5) It promises Israel's possession of the land (Jeremiah 32:37,41-44).
(6) It is eternal (Jeremiah 32:40).
(7) It promises God's blessing upon the land (Ezekiel 36:29-30).
 
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what kind of answers did you expect from loaded questions like that?
O pious one.
Did it made you judge your own heart and examine yourself in this area of understanding, was it beneficial or did it harden you even more in your position? I don't know, you be the judge of that, but your words with reveal to others what is in your heart and those words will either condemn you or commend you.
 

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ironic isn't it?
dispensationalism keeps "Israel & the Church separate"!
for all eternity (at it's roots...Darby et al...i wonder why that doesn't make dispies shiver)?

whereas:

Covenant Theology; NT Theology says jews are part of the family of nations.
the Gospel has gone out to all nations, beginning with Judea and Jerusalem.
it started with the devout Jews gathered for pentecost.
One Gospel; One Lord; One Faith; One Flock.

course if we keep playing the shell game with "who is Israel" i reckon we'll never figure it out.
That's one thing that I never got about dispensations? If Israel and the Church are separate, it totally contradicts Acts and the earliest Christian's being Israelites. It also totally ignores that while Paul was going for the Gentiles, the other disciples were still trying to reach Judeans. It's just a whole lot of confusion with that, or I'm just not that good at "rightly dividing." (considering that there is no concrete time the "Church Age" started, I guess they aren't neither *shrugs*)
And that's not the half of it.

This notion of Christ-rejecting Jews being God's favored people, apart from the Church (exluded from
the Bride of the Lamb during the tribulation, followed by a restoration of Israel to eminent earthly
glory, etc.) removes Christ Jesus from the center of God's plan for all history, and replaces him with a
future restoration of Israel.

However, the Bible teaches that the Church age is the age of the Holy Spirit calling out the elect into
God's new creation and Bride of Christ;
the age of regeneration, justification and sanctification of the body of Christ by the power of His Spirit;
and the age of God building his living temple, which is the showcase of his wisdom (Eph 3:10-11) and
the crown jewel of his universe (Rev 21:1, 11, 18-21).

But a future restoration of Israel relegates the Church age to a mere "parenthesis" in history, rather
than the Church being the whole plan into which everything fits and culminates
(Ro 10:4; Eph 1:9-10, 22-23).

The whole NT teaches the Church as God's singular purpose in history (Jn 10:16; Eph 1:9-10, 22-23,
3:10-11; 1Co 10:11)
and as the continuation and fulfillment of the OT Church/assembly (Ro 2:28-29, 4:11, 11:13-24;
2Co 1:20; Eph 2:11-22, 3:6; Php 3:3; 1Pe 2:9; Gal 3:7, 29, 6:16; Heb 12:22) under a new covenant
(Jer 31:31-34; Heb 10:15-18).

Note that in Ro 11:23, the conversion of Israel means grafting back into the one tree, with Christians;
i.e., the Church of vv. 17-20.
Note that in Heb 12:22-23, "the spirits of righteous men made perfect" in the Church (cf 11:39-40)
are the OT saints.
Note that in Rev 21:9-14, Israel is included in the Bride of the Lamb, the Church.
Note that the NT uses the same Greek word, "ecclesia" (called out assembly, the Church), for both
the OT Church (Ac 7:38; Heb 2:12; cf Ezr 2:64--LXX) and the NT Church (Mt 16:18; Ac 20:28;
Heb 12:23) because they are the same entity (Ro 11:17-23; Eph 2:14-16, 3:6; Gal 3:7, 29),
God's one people.

There is no Biblical warrant (authorization) for any future of Israel apart from and "outside" the Bride,
except the future of damnation (Rev 22:15).

This notion of Jews being God's favored people apart from the Church diminishes the doctrine of Christ.
One need only check their thinking.
What is it that captures one's interest and attention--the working out of the execellency of God's plan
in his new creation and Bride of Christ, or the (supposed) working out of God's plan for a restoration
of Israel?

Hands down, it's the (supposed) sensational future of Israel.
Already, this false doctrine of Isreal captivates minds to the diminishment of the doctrine of Christ.
In another generation, it won't even be realize that although, theologically, the centrality of the
doctrine of Christ is asserted, practically; i.e., in terms of focus, attention, interest, conversation,
anticipation, orientation, etc., the doctrine of Christ has becomed a stepsister to the false doctrine
of an earthly restoration of Israel.

But it is the Church, the Bride of Christ and the fulness of Christ (Eph 1:22-23), that is the center
of God's plan (Eph 3:10-11), and not a future restoration of Israel.
It is the Church which is the fulfillment of the ages (1Co 10:11; Eph 1:22-23), and the goal
to which all history has moved (Eph 1:9-10), and not some future restoration of Israel apart from
the Church.
And it is the Church that is the end of the ages and time (Heb 9:26), and not some future age
of Israel after the Church.

A future of Israel apart from the Church is totally contrary to the NT, and dishonoring
to Christ.
 
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Excellent explanation Bro. Brad! As an ethnic Jew who is born again, I can relate to everything you have said here. My husband is a born again Gentile. We are "one flesh" through marriage and one in Christ Jesus through faith. That is very straightforward to me.

Romans 11:5 defines the "Israel of God" that Paul speaks of in Galatians 6:16.

During this dispensation of grace, God is creating a special body of saved people composed both of Jews and Gentiles (Acts 15:14-16; Ephesians 3:3-7). This does not mean that God has forsaken the nation of Israel (Romans 9-11). In the book of Hebrews it states that every New Testament believer partakes of the spiritual blessings of the New Covenant through Christ, but nowhere does God say that this covenant has been transferred from national Israel to the church. Hebrews does not say the New Covenant is fulfilled in the church. The Apostle Paul taught that the New Covenant will be literally fulfilled following the church age (Romans 11:25-27).

The promise of the New Covenant:

(1) It was made with the nation Israel (Jeremiah 31:31).
(2) It will replace the Mosaic covenant (Jeremiah 31:32; Hebrews 10:8-9).
(3) It promises regeneration and cleansing from sin (Jeremiah 31:33-34).
(4) It reaffirms Israel's national security and future kingdom (Jeremiah 31:35-37).
(5) It promises Israel's possession of the land (Jeremiah 32:37,41-44).
(6) It is eternal (Jeremiah 32:40).
(7) It promises God's blessing upon the land (Ezekiel 36:29-30).
TOTAL NONSENSE

and this is dishonest:

As an ethnic Jew who is born again, I can relate to everything you have said here. My husband is a born again Gentile. We are "one flesh" through marriage and one in Christ Jesus through faith.

and what's this:

During this dispensation of grace

please find me the dispensation of grace (a period of time) in scripture.
what a JOKE
 
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Did it made you judge your own heart and examine yourself in this area of understanding, was it beneficial or did it harden you even more in your position? I don't know, you be the judge of that, but your words with reveal to others what is in your heart and those words will either condemn you or commend you.
your doctrine is a fantasy cooked up by evil men.
keep it or don't.

don't hang your weird speeches on me.
 

zone

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And that's not the half of it.

This notion of Christ-rejecting Jews being God's favored people, apart from the Church (exluded from
the Bride of the Lamb during the tribulation, followed by a restoration of Israel to eminent earthly
glory, etc.) removes Christ Jesus from the center of God's plan for all history, and replaces him with a
future restoration of Israel.

However, the Bible teaches that the Church age is the age of the Holy Spirit calling out the elect into
God's new creation and Bride of Christ;
the age of regeneration, justification and sanctification of the body of Christ by the power of His Spirit;
and the age of God building his living temple, which is the showcase of his wisdom (Eph 3:10-11) and
the crown jewel of his universe (Rev 21:1, 11, 18-21).

But a future restoration of Israel relegates the Church age to a mere "parenthesis" in history, rather
than the Church being the whole plan into which everything fits and culminates
(Ro 10:4; Eph 1:9-10, 22-23).

The whole NT teaches the Church as God's singular purpose in history (Jn 10:16; Eph 1:9-10, 22-23,
3:10-11; 1Co 10:11)
and as the continuation and fulfillment of the OT Church/assembly (Ro 2:28-29, 4:11, 11:13-24;
2Co 1:20; Eph 2:11-22, 3:6; Php 3:3; 1Pe 2:9; Gal 3:7, 29, 6:16; Heb 12:22) under a new covenant
(Jer 31:31-34; Heb 10:15-18).

Note that in Ro 11:23, the conversion of Israel means grafting back into the one tree, with Christians;
i.e., the Church of vv. 17-20.
Note that in Heb 12:22-23, "the spirits of righteous men made perfect" in the Church (cf 11:39-40)
are the OT saints.
Note that in Rev 21:9-14, Israel is included in the Bride of the Lamb, the Church.
Note that the NT uses the same Greek word, "ecclesia" (called out assembly, the Church), for both
the OT Church (Ac 7:38; Heb 2:12; cf Ezr 2:64--LXX) and the NT Church (Mt 16:18; Ac 20:28;
Heb 12:23) because they are the same entity (Ro 11:17-23; Eph 2:14-16, 3:6; Gal 3:7, 29),
God's one people.

There is no Biblical warrant (authorization) for any future of Israel apart from and "outside" the Bride,
except the future of damnation (Rev 22:15).

This notion of Jews being God's favored people apart from the Church diminishes the doctrine of Christ.
One need only check their thinking.
What is it that captures one's interest and attention--the working out of the execellency of God's plan
in his new creation and Bride of Christ, or the (supposed) working out of God's plan for a restoration
of Israel?

Hands down, it's the (supposed) sensational future of Israel.
Already, this false doctrine of Isreal captivates minds to the diminishment of the doctrine of Christ.
In another generation, it won't even be realize that although, theologically, the centrality of the
doctrine of Christ is asserted, practically; i.e., in terms of focus, attention, interest, conversation,
anticipation, orientation, etc., the doctrine of Christ has becomed a stepsister to the false doctrine
of an earthly restoration of Israel.

But it is the Church, the Bride of Christ and the fulness of Christ (Eph 1:22-23), that is the center
of God's plan (Eph 3:10-11), and not a future restoration of Israel.
It is the Church which is the fulfillment of the ages (1Co 10:11; Eph 1:22-23), and the goal
to which all history has moved (Eph 1:9-10), and not some future restoration of Israel apart from
the Church.
And it is the Church that is the end of the ages and time (Heb 9:26), and not some future age
of Israel after the Church.

A future of Israel apart from the Church is totally contrary to the NT, and dishonoring
to Christ.
amen!

....


saving for future use; edification or rebuke - depending:)
 

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Excellent explanation Bro. Brad! As an ethnic Jew who is born again, I can relate to everything you have said here. My husband is a born again Gentile. We are "one flesh" through marriage and one in Christ Jesus through faith. That is very straightforward to me.

Romans 11:5 defines the "Israel of God" that Paul speaks of in Galatians 6:16. During this dispensation of grace, God is creating a special body of saved people composed both of Jews and Gentiles (Acts 15:14-16; Ephesians 3:3-7). This does not mean that God has forsaken the nation of Israel (Romans 9-11). In the book of Hebrews it states that every New Testament believer partakes of the spiritual blessings of the New Covenant through Christ, but nowhere does God say that this covenant has been transferred from national Israel to the church. Hebrews does not say the New Covenant is fulfilled in the church. The Apostle Paul taught that the New Covenant will be literally fulfilled following the church age (Romans 11:25-27).

The promise of the New Covenant:

(1) It was made with the nation Israel (Jeremiah 31:31).
The book of Hebrews applies it to the NT Church.

(2) It will replace the Mosaic covenant (Jeremiah 31:32; Hebrews 10:8-9).
And Heb 8:6-13, Lk 22:20 state the new covenant was inaugurated at the death of Christ.
We are now living under the New Covenant made in the blood of Christ Jesus.

(3) It promises regeneration and cleansing from sin (Jeremiah 31:33-34).
(4) It reaffirms Israel's national security and future kingdom (Jeremiah 31:35-37).
Jer 31:35-37 is not about the new covenant. That subject ended with v.34.

(5) It promises Israel's possession of the land (Jeremiah 32:37,41-44).
Jer 32:37, 41-44 do not pertain to the new covenant.

The promise of Jer 32;37, 41-44 to return them to the land was fulfilled in their return
from exile in Babylon, completed under Nehemiah.

There is no land promise remaining to Israel.
(6) It is eternal (Jeremiah 32:40).
The new covenant is limited to those who believe in Jesus Christ, for whom it is eternal.

(7) It promises God's blessing upon the land (Ezekiel 36:29-30).
Eze 36:29-30 is not about the new covenant.

That blessing was received in their return from exile in Babylon, completed under Nehemiah.

You do not understand the revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2),
given through the NT writers.
 
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Praus said:
one form of fake Christianity known as Dispensationalism.

Why are you trying to add to the gospel?

All who are born again are of the same Spirit. Eschatology is a non salvational matter.

I don't like labels because I don't know all that comes with a title given by men. God did not want for there to be divisions within the body either. Because of my views on Israel in the last days I've been labeled as a dispensationalist, a heretic, someone who is not part of the true church, someone who is following Antichrist, someone that some say they are not called to fellowship with because I supposedly suppress truth.

My views on Israel in the last days does not make me a fake Christian. All born again believers agree that only through Jesus can one be saved.

Praus - why not take a look at preterism, it's the predominant view held by many on this site. It's the worst lie to ever enter the church. It came from Catholicism.
 

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Elin

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Did it made you judge your own heart and examine yourself in this area of understanding,
was it beneficial or did it harden you even more in your position? I don't know, you be the judge of that, but your words with reveal to others what is in your heart and those words will either condemn you or commend you.
What did Jesus words to the Pharisees reveal was in his heart?

His words only hardened their hearts even more in their position.

So who was condemned by the words of Jesus which hardened them, was it Jesus or they?

You got it backwards again with more blame-shifting and the drip, drip of guilting others
to cover over your inability to simply answer the questions presented.

Weird. . .red herring anyone?
 
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Why are you trying to add to the gospel?

All who are born again are of the same Spirit. Eschatology is a non salvational matter.

I don't like labels because I don't know all that comes with a title given by men. God did not want for there to be divisions within the body either. Because of my views on Israel in the last days I've been labeled as a dispensationalist, a heretic, someone who is not part of the true church, someone who is following Antichrist, someone that some say they are not called to fellowship with because I supposedly suppress truth.

My views on Israel in the last days does not make me a fake Christian. All born again believers agree that only through Jesus can one be saved.

Praus - why not take a look at preterism, it's the predominant view held by many on this site. It's the worst lie to ever enter the church. It came from Catholicism.
How is preterism from catholicism? The 1st century church believed that the prophecies were being fulfilled before their eyes: preterism is just agreeing with the Apostles.

I don't think despensationalism is right, but it is better than many eschatology views.

My problem with dispensationalism is that the eschatology shapes the rest of their doctrine. Also, they seem to take the book of Revelation more literally than the rest of the Bible, which just seems silly to take a "vision" literally.

I think this whole topic is foolish, because the Bible IS NOT CLEAR about the Last Days in a chronological way. It is clear that the Last Days will come, and the results of them coming. The rest is man made fantasy, suited only for novels, not sermons.

A lot of what you said is correct, and I feel bad that people have insulted you for your view. The only reason I respond is that I believe preterism is also a valid view.
 
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we have nothing in common.
If you are born again, like Brad, then he is your brother in Christ. He's a member of the body, so you're not to reject or forsake him.

How can you say you have nothing in common?
 
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Originally Posted by Katy-follower

Eschatology is a non salvational matter.

when it gets down to the essentials of who is saved and how it sure is.
Revelation should not be your source for salvation, or even understanding of requirements for salvation.
You are making an argument about nothing.

If you believe that proper eschatology is an essential for salvation, you have fallen pretty far from the gospel.
 

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If you are born again, like Brad, then he is your brother in Christ. He's a member of the body, so you're not to reject or forsake him.

How can you say you have nothing in common?
A Biblical Critique of the Two-fold Theory
of Dispensationalism: The Distinction
between Israel and the Church


by
Dr Noel Woodbridge

Abstract
After a brief review of the historical development and essential characteristics of Dispensationalism, this article argues Dispensationalism’s sharp distinction between Israel and the church represents a serious departure from sound exegetical theology resulting in a distortion of key Biblical doctrines.

http://www.satsonline.org/userfiles/Woodbridge,Dispensationalism.pdf

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"What is indisputably, absolutely, and uncompromisingly essential to the Christian religion is its doctrine of salvation… If Dispensationalism has actually departed from the only way of salvation which the Christian religion teaches, then we must say it has departed from Christianity. No matter how many other important truths it proclaims, it cannot be called Christian if it empties Christianity of its essential message. We define a cult as a religion which claims to be Christian while emptying Christianity of that which is essential to it. If Dispensationalism does this, then Dispensationalism is a cult and not a branch of the Christian church. It is as serious as that. It is impossible to exaggerate the gravity of the situation."

- John H. Gerstner, Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism (Brentwood TN: Wolgemuth & Hyatt, 1991), 150.

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In recent years a most dangerous deception known as the "secret rapture" has captivated many foremost ministers and teachers of the popular churches. This heresy is grouped with other pernicious teachings, equally dangerous and deceptive, in what is known as "modern dispensationalism." Many of the so-called Fundamentalist Bible schools sponsor the sevenfold errors of dispensationalism. The chief agency in its promulgation is the Scofield Reference Bible.

Near the beginning of the present century, this new and "strange" doctrine was first brought to America by Malachi Taylor, one of the Plymouth Brethren. Among those cap*tivated by it was Dr. C. I. Scofield, who became its leading exponent. He prepared a new edi*tion of the Bible, and with notes, headings, sub*headings, and summaries, imposed upon the Bible a system of error as subtle and Satanic as any that has ever been invented by the master deceiver. The very fact that these errors are bound together in one volume with the Scrip*tures of truth, may account for the rapidity with which the fire of evil has spread.

https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1942/11/sevenfold-errors-of-dispensationalism

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These seven dispensations are fittingly labeled as "arbitrary, fanciful, and destitute of Scriptural support." There is no Scriptural men*tion of a dispensation of human conscience dur*ing the period before the flood. Neither is there mention of the reign of human government dur*ing the period from the flood to Abraham. And while promises were made to Abraham, precious promises are likewise made to the children of Abraham, who are the blood-bought of the ages. But the most serious evils are found in the so-called fifth, sixth, and seventh dispensations. Every lover and teacher of truth ought to know the magnitude of these errors and battle against them, using the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. The seven principal errors of the Scofield Reference Bible may be listed as follows :

1. Dispensationalism.

2. Antinomianism.

3. False ideas of the antichrist.

4. The "secret rapture."

5. The return of the Jew to Jerusalem.

6. False teachings in regard to the kingdom.

7. False hope of a second chance.

It is impossible to give an exhaus*tive study of these errors in the Ministry. More complete study was given them in a series of articles in the Review and Herald, starting Nov. 13, 1941. An exposure of the heresy in all its aspects is given by Philip Mauro, noted Fun*damentalist, member of the bar of the United States Supreme Court, in his book, "The Gos*pel of the Kingdom, With an Examination of Modern Dispensationalism."

https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1942/11/sevenfold-errors-of-dispensationalism

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Scofield devised the timetables utilized by men like Hal Lindsay and Tim LaHaye.Scofield’s notes advocated the “ gap” theory regarding creation. The gap theory refutes God’s statement of His literal six day creation. D.L. Moody was apparently responsible for perpetuating dispensationalism in America, incidentally. In 1890 Scofield began a Bible Correspondence Course which was eventually taken over by Moody Bible institute which spread worldwide the dispensational heresy. Scofield was the head of the Southwestern School of the Bible in Dallas for a while. This was the forerunner of Dallas Theological Seminary. Dispensationalists assert they have special claim to truth.

Foolishly, most people sear their consciences when they hear or read heresy in seminaries. They know what they are reading or hearing is Biblically incorrect, but are afraid to challenge the disseminators of false information.

David Jeremiah blasphemy: Dispensational Heresy

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The new doctrine was widely accepted in America, due to popular prophetic meetings such as the Niagara Bible Conferences. C.I. Scofield promulgated dispensational thought in his Scofield Reference Bible. Dispensational Bible institutes by the hundreds have sprung up across the continent – notably Moody Bible Institute and Dallas Theological Seminary. Media evangelists such as Jerry Fallwell, Pat Robertson, Jack Van Impe, and Hal Lindsey popularize dispensational eschatology today. Most likely you have heard these doctrines taught over Christian radio programs, and yes, from your own church’s pulpit, though probably no one defined the theological system as dispensationalism nor the origination as Darby circa 1832.

Dispensationalists view the teaching as a return to Biblical theology, after nearly 1,800 years of darkness. But, since the day Darby began to preach the doctrine, Godly men have opposed. Many books have been published exposing the flaws in the intricate system. Most hack away at the branches, arguing peripheral issues. We intend to lay the axe to the root of the tree.

‘My brother, I am a constant reader of my Bible, and I soon found that what I was taught to believe (by Darby’s doctrine) did not always agree with what my Bible said. I came to see that I must either part company with John Darby, or my precious Bible, and I chose to cling to my Bible and part from Mr. Darby.’ – George Müeller, a contemporary and one time supporter of Darby quoted by Robert Cameron in his book SCRIPTURAL TRUTH ABOUT THE LORD’S RETURN, pp.146-7

Dispensationalism: A Return to Biblical Theology or Pseudo Christian Cult – Part I by Gospel Plow
 
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