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Refer to post #3, and please do not continue with your anti-Semitism in claiming that Christians are not true Jews. 
M
It saddens me that you call yourself a Jew, yet resort to such anti-Semitism against your fellow Jews. If you are a real Jew (it sounds like you might be into some heresies, if not false doctrines, from that Dispensational Israelology comment), I guess this is an issue between you and Jesus.
Psychomom has kindly reposted for you the scripture you requested, proving that true Christians are true Jews.
Psychomom has kindly reposted for you the scripture you requested, proving that true Christians are true Jews.
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if the dispensational god had a "thorough-going change of plans" when Jesus was rejected and scrambled to blind people to save them [?] and usher in Plan B - a 2000 year mystery gentile church age ...you would have exceptions to that passage.
and everything else.
you'd have Two Trees and you'd......oh you know.
and everything else.
you'd have Two Trees and you'd......oh you know.
monstrous theology?
see, this is why the writers of the article are not (saved) Christians.
they don't understand the promise and the kingdom and the land today any more than unbelievers in 70AD.
what they call monstrous theology is Biblical Theology.
one would think people would be thrilled that salvation is for all people and God's Glory is not confined to one city.
and that there is a promise of deliverance from this world - which is coming to a disasterous end.
”Promises about the land of Israel were never intended to be taken literally, or as applying to a defined geographical territory,” it says. “The ‘promised land’ in the Bible is not a place, so much as a metaphor of how things ought to be among the people of God. This ‘promised land’ can be found, or built, anywhere.”
The New Testament, the report states, contains a “radical re-interpretation” of the concepts of “Israel,” “temple,” “Jerusalem,” and “land.”
“The boundaries of the land are described in different ways in different situations,” the report says. “Abraham’s descendants, ‘numerous as the stars in the sky’, will receive ‘all these lands,’ and through them ‘all nations on earth will be blessed’“ (Genesis 26:4). This suggests a more inclusive picture than “the land of Canaan” (Genesis 12:5) or even “from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates” (Genesis 15:18).
but throw Hitler/Nazis in there and presto...everybody shrinks back in FEAR.
and rejects Jesus and the Fulfillment of the Promises in the process.
no thanks.
bah...it says nothing of the sort.
Jewish history split two ways - some received their Savior and are and were Christians (hint: they gave us the Testimony of Jesus Christ - The New Testament, which details the New Covenant.
some rejected the Savior.
there's no difference today.
forgiveness of sins through the shed blood fo Christ plus nothing.
there's no unfulfilled Land deal.
yawn. no it isn't.
and...no...it doesn't.
oh get over it and get saved.
ever hear of classical conditioning?
say blah blah hitler blah blah blah nazi blah blah palestinian blah blah.
there are millions of christian zionists already....what's the problem?
see, this is why the writers of the article are not (saved) Christians.
they don't understand the promise and the kingdom and the land today any more than unbelievers in 70AD.
what they call monstrous theology is Biblical Theology.
one would think people would be thrilled that salvation is for all people and God's Glory is not confined to one city.
and that there is a promise of deliverance from this world - which is coming to a disasterous end.
”Promises about the land of Israel were never intended to be taken literally, or as applying to a defined geographical territory,” it says. “The ‘promised land’ in the Bible is not a place, so much as a metaphor of how things ought to be among the people of God. This ‘promised land’ can be found, or built, anywhere.”
The New Testament, the report states, contains a “radical re-interpretation” of the concepts of “Israel,” “temple,” “Jerusalem,” and “land.”
“The boundaries of the land are described in different ways in different situations,” the report says. “Abraham’s descendants, ‘numerous as the stars in the sky’, will receive ‘all these lands,’ and through them ‘all nations on earth will be blessed’“ (Genesis 26:4). This suggests a more inclusive picture than “the land of Canaan” (Genesis 12:5) or even “from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates” (Genesis 15:18).
but throw Hitler/Nazis in there and presto...everybody shrinks back in FEAR.
and rejects Jesus and the Fulfillment of the Promises in the process.
no thanks.
bah...it says nothing of the sort.
Jewish history split two ways - some received their Savior and are and were Christians (hint: they gave us the Testimony of Jesus Christ - The New Testament, which details the New Covenant.
some rejected the Savior.
there's no difference today.
forgiveness of sins through the shed blood fo Christ plus nothing.
there's no unfulfilled Land deal.
yawn. no it isn't.
and...no...it doesn't.
oh get over it and get saved.
ever hear of classical conditioning?
say blah blah hitler blah blah blah nazi blah blah palestinian blah blah.
there are millions of christian zionists already....what's the problem?
Several things:
1) It has been asserted, there has been no Biblical demonstration which refutes it.
2) You are in disagreement with John who states it was fulfilled by the soldiers at Calvary (Jn 19:36-37).
So we get to decide who to believe: the holy apostle John, or you.
It's a no brainer.
3) Only the soldiers pierced Christ Jesus, no one else did.
The NT states that the soldiers fulfilled Zec 12:10 at Calvary.
Right. . .because Zec 12:10-12; Rev 1:7 are the language of the final judgment, when the majority
of Israel who have been rejecting the Christ since his coming will rise from their graves to mourn
their loss as described there.
1) It has been asserted, there has been no Biblical demonstration which refutes it.
2) You are in disagreement with John who states it was fulfilled by the soldiers at Calvary (Jn 19:36-37).
So we get to decide who to believe: the holy apostle John, or you.
It's a no brainer.
3) Only the soldiers pierced Christ Jesus, no one else did.
The NT states that the soldiers fulfilled Zec 12:10 at Calvary.
Right. . .because Zec 12:10-12; Rev 1:7 are the language of the final judgment, when the majority
of Israel who have been rejecting the Christ since his coming will rise from their graves to mourn
their loss as described there.
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The "land"/country of Israel does not belong to the Jews...it is God's "land".
Leviticus 25:23 The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.
To which "once-Christian" countries are you referring? Then show us where in Scripture these "countries" are referred to as "Christian".
Leviticus 25:23 The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.
To which "once-Christian" countries are you referring? Then show us where in Scripture these "countries" are referred to as "Christian".
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Agreed. All land belongs to God. "The earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein."
The scriptures don't refer to any of the world's countries as Christian. But history reveals to us that some countries once had Christian foundations, laws, etc. Such countries as Britain, the United States, many countries in Europe, I believe even Russia. During their Christian period, these countries prospered. But since the takeover of each of these countries by the Talmudists, the Christian foundation of each country was eroded, with the culture falling into depravity.
Look at Hollywood for a simple example of what depravity the Talmudists are afflicting upon the population.
The scriptures don't refer to any of the world's countries as Christian. But history reveals to us that some countries once had Christian foundations, laws, etc. Such countries as Britain, the United States, many countries in Europe, I believe even Russia. During their Christian period, these countries prospered. But since the takeover of each of these countries by the Talmudists, the Christian foundation of each country was eroded, with the culture falling into depravity.
Look at Hollywood for a simple example of what depravity the Talmudists are afflicting upon the population.
There is no biblical principle at all to support a people based upon their ethnicity, especially when they are God haters and Christ haters. Paul writes 1 Cor 16:22
22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.
He does not write if any man except a ethnic jew does he ?
22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.
He does not write if any man except a ethnic jew does he ?
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The misconception that you and so many others have of this passage is that you connect the Gentile believer to this passage and Paul does not. Paul is speaking of the Jewish believer who professes to be a Jew by outward circumcision through the letter and corrects them by instructing them that they are a Jew through inward circumcision of the heart through the Spirit. The Jews are the natural branches that were broken off and cast away so that the Gentiles could be graffed in. Just because the Gentiles were graffed in, it does not make them a Jew but rather a 'graffed in' Gentile by the means of faith, who can now abide in Christ and become a part of the commonwealth of Israel. The blood has made both one, but they are still Jew and Gentile in Christ by faith. The Gentile is a child of God and of Abraham's seed by promise through faith, being 'graffed in', who were never broken off as part of the tree, as the people of Israel (Jews) were.
Eph 2:10-14 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:10-14 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Which the NT states will occur at the Final Judgment (Ro 14:11; Php 2:10-11) when all ubelievers will make that confession, but too late for their eternal well-being.
Fulfilled in the exile to, and then return from, Babylon completed under Nehemiah.
Fulfilled in their return from exile in Babylon, completed under Nehemiah.
God threatens to withdraw from Israel, which he did when he exiled them to Bablyon as in a desert like their exit from Egypt, until in desperation Israel truly repented, which she did and was returned from Babylon to her land.
Israel was foolish enough to think God's wrath would be only brief, and not for 30-130 years.
Fulfilled in the exile to, and then return from, Babylon completed under Nehemiah.
Fulfilled in their return from exile in Babylon, completed under Nehemiah.
God threatens to withdraw from Israel, which he did when he exiled them to Bablyon as in a desert like their exit from Egypt, until in desperation Israel truly repented, which she did and was returned from Babylon to her land.
Israel was foolish enough to think God's wrath would be only brief, and not for 30-130 years.
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It appears that you and your friends' noses are pretty much "bent out of shape". It is your group who are "forcing your opinion" into the Bible. The article I posted is not a "personal opinion"...it is your "personal opinion" that it is...because it doesn't "line up" with your antisemitic rhetoric.
There is no such thing as "NT Thristianity"...but I'm sure that is something which came from your own "vain imagination"
You and your friends are not interested in a "Biblical" discussion. You are more interested in pushing your own agenda, which is antisemitic to the core.
There is no such thing as "NT Thristianity"...but I'm sure that is something which came from your own "vain imagination"
You and your friends are not interested in a "Biblical" discussion. You are more interested in pushing your own agenda, which is antisemitic to the core.
It "suggests" such only to those who don't know the Scriptures.
There are two sets of boundaries regarding the promised land:
1) the boundaries given to Abraham, Moses and Joshua in the promise (Ge 15:18-21; Ex 23:31;
Dt 1:7, 11:24; Josh 1:4), and
2) the boundaries given for the initial occupation (Nu 34:3-12; Dt 34:1-4; Josh 11:23, 21:43).
They were not to possess the total land all at once (Ex 23:29-30; Dt 7:22), but were to take
possession only to the boundaries given for their initial occupation.
Possession of the total land was completed under Joshua (Josh 21:43-45), and occupation of the
total land was completed under Solomon (1 Kgs 4:21, 24-25).
The land promised has been fulfilled.
There are two sets of boundaries regarding the promised land:
1) the boundaries given to Abraham, Moses and Joshua in the promise (Ge 15:18-21; Ex 23:31;
Dt 1:7, 11:24; Josh 1:4), and
2) the boundaries given for the initial occupation (Nu 34:3-12; Dt 34:1-4; Josh 11:23, 21:43).
They were not to possess the total land all at once (Ex 23:29-30; Dt 7:22), but were to take
possession only to the boundaries given for their initial occupation.
Possession of the total land was completed under Joshua (Josh 21:43-45), and occupation of the
total land was completed under Solomon (1 Kgs 4:21, 24-25).
The land promised has been fulfilled.