C.S. LEWIS was not christian/ C.S LEWIS exposed

MidniteWelder · Aug 25, 2013

Right on, I'll accept that.
If that's true and can be proven then we all have a dilemma don't we.

On one hand...How may Gods word return to him if his word is omitted.
On the other hand... how may we trust what has been added to Gods word.

The king james has been around a long time, its been like old faithful that we measure other versions against
What i see is companies making slight variations of many different versions that slightly argue against the King James and use watered down words to lessen the potency and impact of Gods word to make it more palletable.

For some reason we dont notice these other versions arguing against one another...

So now the dilemma is this:
One must actually be willing to set themselves aside and hear Gods voice.
Gods message can be shown through many things.
His word may be able to reach our hearts and mind with understanding through the KJV or the NIV or th ESV etc.

There's poetic artistry and perfection within the ways and methods God uses his word to reach and communicate with us.
Psychology, emotion, conviction truth, wisdom, knowledge, Love etc.
God knows exactly the most effective and efficient method to effect us with the most impact with the desired results.
Simply because he created us.
His sword... which pierces our hearts and divides truth from falsehood.

This is the reason why it is so very important that whichever version one is reading we must pray to God for him to reveal the message he wishes us to learn and receive every time.
And our Lord will provide further clarity if anything is foggy.
It is the Lords voice...that same voice which spoke to the scribes of the scriptures which will speak to us as well.
Its not something that can be faked
It stops you in your tracks, because Gods answers are so precise and on target that theres no other place they could have came from.
Especially if youve contemplated something for say...6 months and then you suddenly realize you didnt ask God yet.
Then the moment you ask God....right almost before you finished your last word the answer bursts forth.
And you think,,,What? just like that? That quickly? You didnt even ave to think about it Lord? LOL
A lot of it is talking to him and knowing him as you would spend time to get to know another person.
You cant read John Muirs or Mark Twains writings and know them as a person.
You would have to actually spend time with them. which you couldn't
So we can read Gods word and increase our knowledge and wisdom and learn of his character.
But a person has to actually spend time with the Lord to get to know him. on an intimate level.
That we can do.

And then Gods word becomes more than just a bible version.
That relationship with our maker is whats important and what so many of the accounts of the bible are telling us about.

ThriftShopPop · Aug 25, 2013

since when is it for us to judge?

MidniteWelder · Aug 25, 2013

ThriftShopPop said:

Here:

1 Cor 11
29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.
30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.
31 But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment.
32 Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world.

Praus · Aug 25, 2013

ThriftShopPop said:

Holy Spirit judges, Bible judges.

We act with love, else we lose our candlestick.

We overcome so that we are allowed to eat from the tree of life.

Rev 2:1 Vnto the Angel of the church of Ephesus, write, These things saith he that holdeth the seuen starres in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seuen golden Candlesticks: 2 I know thy workes, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not beare them which are euil, and thou hast tried them which say they are Apostles, and are not, and hast found them lyers: 3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my Names sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. 4 Neuerthelesse, I haue somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first loue. 5 Remember therfore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and doe the first workes, or else I will come vnto thee quickly, and will remoue thy Candlesticke out of his place, except thou repent. 6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7 Hee that hath an eare, let him heare what the Spirit saith vnto the Churches: To him that ouercommeth will I giue to eate of the tree of life, which is in the middest of the Paradise of God.

vic1980 · Aug 25, 2013

Agricola said:

May i ask you which bible is inspired by the holyspirit ? which committee of men God inspired to do his good work. In order that it was translated in english or in spanish, guided by the holyspirit that speaks truth and nothing but the truth ?

Which one which version is 100 percent accurate ,by the holyspirit that is true ? Does the holyspirit mess up ,did God not make a version for each language correctly without flaws?

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

God bless

Praus · Aug 25, 2013

MidniteWelder said:

The NIV was translated according to dynamic translation--it's not a serious study Bible. That really requires a Bible translated according to formal equivalence, such as the NASB, the ESV, or the KJV.

http://www.northwest.cc/uploads/2/1/0/1/210144/bibletranslationchart.pdf

The KJV:

Acts 28:29 And when hee had saide these words, the Iewes departed, and had great reasoning among themselues. (KJV)

Some Christians have difficulty reading the KJV but seeing that Acts 28:29 is important, and the necessity of avoiding elitism (Luke 14:10), then perhaps the best alternative is the the 1989 Douay-Rheims, the Catholic Bible, which is Vatican-approved.

Acts 28:29 And when he had said these things, the Jews went out from him, having much reasoning among themselves. (DR89)

From Baronius Press:
"Many Catholics are once more discovering the richness of the Church's traditional versions of the Sacred Scriptures. ... Those familiar with the Douay Rheims Bible will know that it is one of the most beautiful and accurate Bible translations available today – a word for word translation ..."

Both the KJV and the Douay-Rheims contain important deuterocanonical books. If it doesn't have 1 Maccabees, does it even qualify as the Bible?

1 Macc 1:1 And it happened, after that Alexander sonne of Philip, the Macedonian, who came out of the land of Chettum, had smitten Darius king of the Persians and Medes, that hee reigned in his stead, the first ouer Greece, (KJV)

1 Macc 1:1 Now it came to pass, after that Alexander the son of Philip the Macedonian, who first reigned in Greece, coming out of the land of Cethim, had overthrown Darius king of the Persians and Medes: (DR89)

Praus · Aug 25, 2013

Agricola said:

It's worse than we thought.

In KJV-only thinking... Saviour is Jesus is Christ, Savior is "anti christ". I am not making this up, the following is from Nic Kizziah, some of his "better writing".

Believers Beware of Counterfeit King James Bibles

"Now the very worst of this battle of o-u-r vs. o-r comes when dealing with the only begotten Son of God, our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. The modern day counterfeiters have changed Saviour to Savior. They have given us a six-letter Savior in place of a seven-letter Saviour. In Bible numerics seven is the number of completeness, purity, and spiritual perfection. On the other hand six is the number of man which is earthly not heavenly. Every one has heard of 666. It has a bad connotation and is not highly esteemed in Bible numerics."

"The seven-letter Saviour is the only begotten Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ. The six-letter Savior is the son of perdition, the anti christ. He wants to be like the most High (Isaiah 14:14,) but not in a good way, but in an evil way. He is not a follower. He's a counterfeiter. Therefore his final destination is the lake of fire. The new versions, along with the new age movement, and some of the King James Bible counterfeits are preparing the way for this six-letter so called Savior. That's the way he will spell his name, S-a-v-i-o-r not S-a-v-i-o-u-r. No thank you Satan. I'm sticking with the seven-letter Saviour as portrayed in the old black Book that I inherited from my forefathers."

homwardbound · Aug 25, 2013

RedTent said:

How about God just love you, so simple it has become hard for man has to have something to do with this. And to me is and has been what has made it so difficult for man to see through to the Love that God has for them in the born again Spirit. The flesh self just does not want to get out of the way does it and if it did then we could Love as God Loves, maybe?
Enquiring minds need to know truth and be set free you think

ThriftShopPop · Aug 25, 2013

justifying a persons "spiritual status" and justifying this is so wrong.

Do not judge so that you will not be judged. "For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.…matthew 7:1-2

John 8:7 "When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

Romans 2:1 "You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things."

Luke 6:37 (Amplified Bible) Judge not [neither pronouncing judgment nor subjecting to censure], and you will not be judged; do not condemn and pronounce guilty, and you will not be condemned and pronounced guilty; acquit and forgive and [a]release (give up resentment, let it drop), and you will be acquitted and forgiven and released.

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1 Cor 11
29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.
30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.
31 But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment.
32 Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world.

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, san-serif]-(verse 32) How we "discipline" a dead guy??
(verse 31) do you need to discern yourself better, so you wont come under your own judgement? Not to judge others?

Im just curious, havent all of us done things to be judged by others? are you perfect to judge someone else, who let alone is dead? CS Lewis is a masterful writer and has brought people to God. He was a atheist who walked into light at a later age. Do you expect people to reach a certain plight of perfectionism at the moment, very time? I would have to answer; no. We all have that sin, that hangup. You know you do too.

So, just saying, honestly, this is one of the very exact reason why I choose not to carry the "christian label" because of people discussing a dead guys faith and justifying their actions. [/FONT]

danschance · Aug 25, 2013

It is not my job to determine who is and who is not a Christian. That is God's job and I am sure He can do a much much better job of that than I can. C.S.Lewis was an atheists who later became a Christian. He became a real champion for the the cause of Christ.

He wrote books on theology and stories which were at least in part about Christianity. He did many lectures debates and interviews where he proclaimed Jesus is Lord. I have read some of his books and I can easily conclude from them that he was a Christian.

homwardbound · Aug 26, 2013

MidniteWelder said:

The only inherent translation is the original Greek for the New Testament, and Hebrew for the Old Testament. All else are translations and hopefully are as accurate as possible. Yet there are mistranslations as 1 John 1:9 is mistranslated
[h=3]1 John 1:9[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Forgiveness is not an ongoing thing for us to get more of. How can it be when there is no forgiveness without
Hebrews 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

And since there are many scriptures that say we are forgiven past tense by God at the cross, how can anyone call God a liar and ask for more forgiveness without any blood shed or Christ as the sacrifice it was done once and for all.
Now if one will look up the Greek on 1 john 1:9, then one will see the mistranslation. for it states to have (pasttense already forgiven you your sins if one will agree with that Christ came in the flesh and one has sinned.
Just read it from 1John 1:1 and see how it is started out from John.
[h=3]1 John 1[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; [SUP]2 [/SUP](for the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

[SUP]3 [/SUP]that which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. [SUP]6 [/SUP]If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: [SUP]7 [/SUP]but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. [SUP]8 [/SUP]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. [SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Then see 1 John 2and what it states about us being forgiven?
1 John 2:12
I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name’s sake
So if our sins are forgiven, then why are we taught to get more forgiveness if we sin? Did God die for the sins of the whole world or not?
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

homwardbound · Aug 26, 2013

ThriftShopPop said:

Actually we are to judge ourselves whether we are in the Faith of Christ or not. Seeking truth from God on all this and asking God to show, rather than man that has gotten in the way so well to this very day, as was in the day of Christ. Nothing is new under the Sun (SON).

homwardbound · Aug 26, 2013

Praus said:

Holy Spirit judges, Bible judges.

We act with love, else we lose our candlestick.

We overcome so that we are allowed to eat from the tree of life.

Rev 2:1 Vnto the Angel of the church of Ephesus, write, These things saith he that holdeth the seuen starres in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seuen golden Candlesticks: 2 I know thy workes, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not beare them which are euil, and thou hast tried them which say they are Apostles, and are not, and hast found them lyers: 3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my Names sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. 4 Neuerthelesse, I haue somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first loue. 5 Remember therfore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and doe the first workes, or else I will come vnto thee quickly, and will remoue thy Candlesticke out of his place, except thou repent. 6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7 Hee that hath an eare, let him heare what the Spirit saith vnto the Churches: To him that ouercommeth will I giue to eate of the tree of life, which is in the middest of the Paradise of God.

overcoming as I found is not of me at all. It is of God living god's life through the one's that believe, so that God gets all the credit. Just some thought for us all to think about

zone · Sep 7, 2013

Praus said:

Brother, you have no idea how deep this KJV-only rabbit hole goes...

"Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." --the White Queen, Through the Looking-Glass

KJV-only requires 1769 British spelling, it's also required to spell music as musick, . They're quite perturbed at some of the recent updates that Cambridge has made, such as updating the spelling of ancle to ankle.

For example (so you know I'm not making this up) : Use of the word "alway" instead of "always"

The world “always” means “at every time” and “on every occasion”, whereas the word “alway” means “all the time” and “perpetually”. For example, Jesus said, “lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Matthew 28:20b). Yet He also said, “but me ye have not always.” (John 12:8b). This is not a contradiction, since John is describing Jesus’ personal physical presence.Even though Jesus is not “always” on Earth by His own physical person, yet He is “alway” with His people on the Earth, for example, by the Holy Ghost and the Word.

oh for..........you're kidding (?)
plz say it's a dream.

i like my kjv.
now i'm afraid of it.

Praus · Sep 8, 2013

Praus said:

zone said:

It's real! The idea is to use the Webster's 1828 dictionary:

Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) - The ARTFL Project

The word "alway" was already dated in 1828:

"Alway is now seldom used. The application of this compound to time proceeds from the primary sense of way, which is a going or passing; hence, continuation."

And in the 1913 Webster's the definition is gone and it's become a poetic synonym for "always":

"Always. [Archaic or Poetic]"

If Webster's 1828 fails then try old editions of the Oxford English Dictionary, which adds another layer of complexity if your KJV uses Cambridge spelling.

Not enough information? Then next resource is the Lexicons of Early Modern English from University of Toronto: http://leme.library.utoronto.ca/

T_Laurich · Sep 8, 2013

ThriftShopPop said:

We are suppose to judge fellow Christians... Keeping each other on the strait and narrow... We are not to judge non-Christians but now a days we have reversed those...

homwardbound · Sep 9, 2013

T_Laurich said:

Curious, how are we to judge each other, those of us that believe?
How do we stay on the straight and narrow?
Is it something we do, and how do we do it?

RickShafer · Sep 9, 2013

C.S. Lewis was such not a christian that he wrote actual allegories to the christian walk.
- And anyone knows those who write allegories are of the devil.......

Praus · Sep 9, 2013

homwardbound said:

I try very hard to judge false teachings only and not people.

There's a few of us here on CC that are alcoholic, I nearly died myself many times over. Jesus had other plans for me and he reveals pieces of the bigger picture to me whenever He decides.

Staying on the straight and narrow is easy when Jesus takes you out of self-hatred, I already know what happens when I leave His side even for a few moments. It's just not worth it...

http://odb.org/2009/08/28/cast-down-sheep/

Yowie · Sep 9, 2013

C.S. Lewis presented one of the best cases regarding Jesus I've ever heard... Liar, Lunatic or Lord.

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