Proof of a Future Millennial Kingdom

[zone]

Proof of a Future Millennial Kingdom:

please provide the scriptural evidence for it

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Millennial kingdom
The Millennial kingdom refers to the thousand-year reign of Christ specifically mentioned in Revelation 20:1-6. This is usually seen as the same Messianic Kingdom anticipated by the Old Testament prophets. The major views regarding this millennial kingdom follow:

Dispensational premillennialists propose that Christ's return will precede the millennium but will be in two stages: First, to rapture his saints, leaving all others behind, and then after seven years of tribulation, to publicly institute his visible millennial reign. Dispensationalism also has a uniquely Jewish view of the millennium in which God will literally fulfill his OT promises to ethnic Israel, promises not given to Gentile believers.

Historic premillennialists, following some of the early church fathers, teach that the return of Christ will precede a literal thousand years of peace in which Christ would reign upon earth.

Postmillennialists generally see the millennial kingdom as a "golden age" ushered in by the church through the triumph of the gospel, not only in bringing individuals to salvation, but also in dominating culture. In this view, Christ's return is at the culmination (conclusion) of this millennial age, hence the name post-millennial.

Amillennialists believe that the "thousand years" of Revelation 20 is a figurative number indicating the whole period between Jesus' resurrection and his return (i.e. the current church age). In this view Christ now reigns and rules from heaven in and through the church bringing people into the kingdom of God through the preaching of the gospel.

Theopedia
http://www.theopedia.com/Millennial_kingdom
(it's a good enough overview to open this discussion - if you hold a position listed above and want to refine/redefine it go ahead. please cite sources)

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my position in the discussion will be Amillennialist.

 

[WeStand]

Mabey you should try The Wordist's LOL

 

[zone]

Mabey you should try The Wordist's LOL

thanks for opening up the thread with a sensible post.
i have no idea what you're talking about.

if you mean Arnold Murray's view, go ahead and cover it.

please don't derail this thread.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Please prove that there is not a future kingdom. The bible says directly and clearly that those who partake in the first resurrection will rule and reign with Christ 1000 years. What warrant do amillenialists have to allegorize this?

Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection. Over this person the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for the thousand years. Revelation 20:6
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[WeStand]

Not trying to derail anything; just my opinion that you have waaaaay too many ists and isms in your sponge.

If you ever get through it all, you should come to the conclusion that EVERYBODY'S wrong, except The Word.

Love and Peace of Mind in Christ/Messiah

 

[zone]

Not trying to derail anything; just my opinion that you have waaaaay too many ists and isms in your sponge.

If you ever get through it all, you should come to the conclusion that EVERYBODY'S wrong, except The Word.

Love and Peace of Mind in Christ/Messiah

um....if you want to see what the word says, we can.
if you hold to AM's teachings, i know what you believe.
he's wrong.

 

[1still_waters]

Simple Zone.
Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit[SUP][a][/SUP] and a great chain. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, [SUP]3 [/SUP]and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and thosewho had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. [SUP]5 [/SUP]The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.

It says a thousand years over and over.
How hard can it be?

 

[WeStand]

um....if you want to see what the word says, we can.
if you hold to AM's teachings, i know what you believe.
he's wrong.

Really? it truly amazes me to no end how you and your type cannot even comprehend what IS in reality, being said to you in the moment, let alone trying to discuss history or future.

Sorry but you are certainly not in my head lol; though in my opinion of course, I do believe someone's still in yours.

Peace Out "O" prejudice one.

 

[zone]

Please prove that there is not a future kingdom. The bible says directly and clearly that those who partake in the first resurrection will rule and reign with Christ 1000 years. What warrant do amillenialists have to allegorize this?

Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection. Over this person the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for the thousand years. Revelation 20:6
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what allegory?
you're going on the assumption from that single chapter, in a Book which uses highly symbolic language, that it is LITERAL.

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the first resurrection is only mentioned in Rev 20 - the only place it's mentioned.

Amillennialism says - it's Christ's

John 12:24
23And Jesus answered them, saying, "The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. 24"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. 25"He who loves his life loses it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it to life eternal.

and all who are raised with Him now take part in it: the first resurrection - through the new birth.

the new priesthood was, as promised given to the faithful Isrealites first, who ministered the Gospel to all of us.
we are all of that priesthood now.


John 3:7
6"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7"Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' 8"The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit."

some amillennialists see the first resurrection as the christian (assured of everlasting life now) entering the Lord's Presence upon their deaths.

others see the first resurrection as a complex combining the new birth (eternal life now) - and entering heaven on their deaths.

some just simply say it is the new birth - raised with Christ (as we are told we have been).

Romans 6:4
3Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.

Ephesians 2
4Butb God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith.

Colossians 2:12
having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

Colossians 3:1
Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.





questions: are you saved now? are you in danger of the second death?

John 5:24
"Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection. Over this person the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for the thousand years. Revelation 20:6

1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

Revelation 1:6
5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood-- 6and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father-- to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen

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k....... if we are going to alternatively make the first resurrection occur at the Second Advent only, preceeding the Millennium - then there would a second resurrection 1,000 years later?

- what would the future temporary 1,000 literal year kingdom on earth from earthly Jerusalem be FOR?

 

[zone]

Simple Zone.
Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit[SUP][a][/SUP] and a great chain. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, [SUP]3 [/SUP]and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and thosewho had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. [SUP]5 [/SUP]The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.

It says a thousand years over and over.
How hard can it be?

can you please just get yer files, Still?
(why am i even doing this again - help)

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The new birth is not the first resurrection. Resurrection pertains to a raised body, not a new spirit.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

the first resurrection is only mentioned in Rev 20 - the only place it's mentioned.

Once is enough...

 

[1still_waters]

can you please just get yer files, Still?
(why am i even doing this again - help)

If there were a literal 1000 year reign, how else could he have said it other than to say a thousand over and over and over?

Your move..

 

[zone]

Millennial kingdom
The Millennial kingdom refers to the thousand-year reign of Christ specifically mentioned in Revelation 20:1-6. This is usually seen as the same Messianic Kingdom anticipated by the Old Testament prophets.

Theopedia
http://www.theopedia.com/Millennial_kingdom

so when did the Messianic Kingdom anticipated by the Old Testament prophets begin?


are PreMillennialists/Millennialists right?:


"Jesus was indeed the long-awaited Messiah. Had the people received Him, He would have fulfilled the kingly prophecies in their day in addition to the ones regarding the suffering Messiah. But when the Jewish nation as a whole rejected Christ, the fulfillment of His kingship was postponed until the final culmination of world history."

- Hal Lindsey, There's a New World Coming, p. 30.


was the kingdom postponed?
was God taken by surprise?

 

[zone]

The new birth is not the first resurrection. Resurrection pertains to a raised body, not a new spirit.

okay.....could you present your scenario then?

 

[zone]

If there were a literal 1000 year reign, how else could he have said it other than to say a thousand over and over and over?

Your move..

true enough.
so, how does the literal thousand year reign go?
Jesus Returns to earthly Jerusalem....then what?

 

[zone]

so when did the Messianic Kingdom anticipated by the Old Testament prophets begin?


are PreMillennialists/Millennialists right?:


"Jesus was indeed the long-awaited Messiah. Had the people received Him, He would have fulfilled the kingly prophecies in their day in addition to the ones regarding the suffering Messiah. But when the Jewish nation as a whole rejected Christ, the fulfillment of His kingship was postponed until the final culmination of world history."

- Hal Lindsey, There's a New World Coming, p. 30.


was the kingdom postponed?
was God taken by surprise?

Daniel 2
36“This was the dream. Now we will tell the king its interpretation. 37You, O king, the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the power, and the might, and the glory, 38and into whose hand he has given, wherever they dwell, the children of man, the beasts of the field, and the birds of the heavens, making you rule over them all—you are the head of gold. 39Another kingdom inferior to you shall arise after you, and yet a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth. 40And there shall be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron, because iron breaks to pieces and shatters all things. And like iron that crushes, it shall break and crush all these. 41And as you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom, but some of the firmness of iron shall be in it, just as you saw iron mixed with the soft clay. 42And as the toes of the feet were partly iron and partly clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly brittle. 43As you saw the iron mixed with soft clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage,c but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay. 44And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed, nor shall the kingdom be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand forever, 45just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold. A great God has made known to the king what shall be after this. The dream is certain, and its interpretation sure.”


- did God set up the kingdom in the days of those kings?


....there can be no real doubt as to what kingdom is intended. Its distinctly declared Divine origin; the declaration that it shall never be destroyed; the assurance that it would absorb all other kingdoms, and that it would stand forever; and the entire accordance of these declarations with the account of the kingdom of the Messiah in the New Testament, show beyond a doubt that the kingdom of the Redeemer is intended.

Which shall never be destroyed - The others would pass away. The Babylonian would be succeeded by the Medo-Persian, that by the Macedonian, that by the Roman, and that in its turn by the one which the God of heaven would set up. This would be perpetual. Nothing would have power to overthrow it. It would live in the revolutions of all other kingdoms, and would survive them all. Compare the notes at Daniel 7:14; and the summary of the doctrines taught here at the close of the notes at Daniel 2:45.

And the kingdom shall not be left to other people - Margin, "thereof. Literally, "Its kingdom shall not be left to other people;" that is, the ruling power appropriate to this kingdom or dominion shall never pass away from its rightful possessor, and be transferred to other hands. - Barnes

 

[1still_waters]

true enough.
so, how does the literal thousand year reign go?
Jesus Returns to earthly Jerusalem....then what?

Peace on Earth, good will toward men.
Linus and Snoopy living in peace.
Right?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

okay.....could you present your scenario then?

scenario of the kingdom? or Jesus' return? or the first resurrection?

 

[zone]

Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

is this fulfilled? or future?