Churches that Don't Allow Tongues and Prophecy in Meetings disobey Bible
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Question #1 : Were the miraculous tongues spoken at pentecost earthly languages ?
Question #2 : What language did God's messengers (angels) ever speak but the language of the people/person to whom God's message was given ?
Question #3 : If there are in fact "tongues of angels", is it a different language/dialect than God's ?
Question #2 : What language did God's messengers (angels) ever speak but the language of the people/person to whom God's message was given ?
Question #3 : If there are in fact "tongues of angels", is it a different language/dialect than God's ?
3 against 1 & you say I'm whining? Hee hee haa haa. And it may be 4 against 1, depending on whose side the invisible one is on. 
BTW, that's not a secret. Every time you guys come out of the woodwork to do what yer doin' t-day, one is always present. That in itself makes a strong statement, doesn't it?
That's how I understand the passage. The passage says they heard them speaking in those languages, not that they weren't speaking in those languages but the people perceived that to be the case. But there is no reason to think that the Spirit is unable or unwilling to enable believers to speak in languages other than those 18 or so languages.
We aren't given that many details about angels. When they spoke to humans, it is likely that they spoke in human languages. One could postulate the humans were given the ability to understand angelic tongues and wrote their messages in Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic, but that would be speculation. If angels spoke in human languages, that doesn't mean there could not be tongues of angels. The reason why tongues of angels comes up is because Paul suggests speaking in tongues of angels in a list of kind of extreme, but mostly possible, things someone could do.
I don't see anywhere in scripture where this issue is addressed. Are you asking for speculation?
i keep my status OFF
so what?
is there a rule against it?
ya, i'm browsing this thread...and others....if i'm posting - it means i'm on it, ya?
man, you is paranoid or sumpin.
clearly cessationism is a minority (openly professing) position here.
so?
it's been the church's position since the 2nd century....until these new movements.
so what?
is there a rule against it?
ya, i'm browsing this thread...and others....if i'm posting - it means i'm on it, ya?
man, you is paranoid or sumpin.
clearly cessationism is a minority (openly professing) position here.
so?
it's been the church's position since the 2nd century....until these new movements.
Well, it is clear from the passage that this could happen. Someone who had a gift to speak in tongues could do so, even if there was no interpreter, and had to decided to obey the instruction to keep silent in the church. Just like, a few verses later, a genuine prophet could choose to obey or disobey the scripture to hold his peace when another sitting by receives a revelation. Paul says 'the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.' If that's hard to get your head around or accept, it's still how God designed the gifts.
On Mount Carmel, Elijah prayed, and God sent fire from heaven. Do you remember after that when soldiers were coming for Elijah, he kept calling down fire from heaven. Finally, one soldier begged for mercy for himself and his soldiers and the LORD told Elijah not to be afraid, and he went with the soldiers.
On Mount Carmel, Elijah prayed, and God sent fire from heaven. Do you remember after that when soldiers were coming for Elijah, he kept calling down fire from heaven. Finally, one soldier begged for mercy for himself and his soldiers and the LORD told Elijah not to be afraid, and he went with the soldiers.
No it's not, for you are using the context of the one set of scriptures, but not the context of all of the scriptures in this book.
1. Acts 10:44-48 (KJV) [SUP]44 [/SUP]While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. [SUP]45 [/SUP]And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. [SUP]46 [/SUP]For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, [SUP]47 [/SUP]Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? [SUP]48 [/SUP]And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
2. Acts 19:1-7 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, [SUP]2 [/SUP]He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. [SUP]5 [/SUP]When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. [SUP]7 [/SUP]And all the men were about twelve.
In both cases, the groups were listening to the apostles because they already knew their language. But I'm sure you'll find something to spin it in another direction.
1. Acts 10:44-48 (KJV) [SUP]44 [/SUP]While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. [SUP]45 [/SUP]And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. [SUP]46 [/SUP]For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, [SUP]47 [/SUP]Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? [SUP]48 [/SUP]And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
2. Acts 19:1-7 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, [SUP]2 [/SUP]He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. [SUP]5 [/SUP]When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. [SUP]7 [/SUP]And all the men were about twelve.
In both cases, the groups were listening to the apostles because they already knew their language. But I'm sure you'll find something to spin it in another direction.
i keep my status OFF
so what?
is there a rule against it?
ya, i'm browsing this thread...and others....if i'm posting - it means i'm on it, ya?
man, you is paranoid or sumpin.
clearly cessationism is a minority (openly professing) position here.
so?
it's been the church's position since the 2nd century....until these new movements.
so what?
is there a rule against it?
ya, i'm browsing this thread...and others....if i'm posting - it means i'm on it, ya?
man, you is paranoid or sumpin.
clearly cessationism is a minority (openly professing) position here.
so?
it's been the church's position since the 2nd century....until these new movements.