Even so, saying that Christians are forbidden to keep the sabbath is also a poisonous kind of legalism.
Does God expect the Jews to stop Jewish rituals when they know Jesus?
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Even so, saying that Christians are forbidden to keep the sabbath is also a poisonous kind of legalism.
El was the chief deity of the Canaanite pantheon(you pointed out), Baal was his son, the oldest complete "OT" only uses EL in 1 chapter, it uses YHWH over 6,823 times.
Looking at these few verses is why I take caution:
Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds; Who devise; plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal; (Lord.)"
So it's not from back translation, because they replaced YHWH with Adonai and Elohim. Wasn't there a greek god Adonis?
When the Hebrews came into Canaan they did worship El, Baal, and Astarte and this is how it got into Scripture(see verse above):
2 Kings 17:33-34, "They were taught how they might worship Yahweh, but instead they worshiped their own gods according to the customs of the nations from which they had been brought. To this day, they continue to practice their former pagan customs. They do not reverence Yahweh, nor do they follow the statutes, ordinances, Laws, and commandments which Yahweh had commanded the children of Yaaqob, whom He named Isray."
Isayah 65:15, "And the names of your gods will remain as a trap; test, to My chosen; for Yahweh our Father will slay you, but he will give His servants a Name that will remain forever."
Acts 4:12, "Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is no other Name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."
Proverbs 18:21, "Death or life is in the power of the tongue; a man will eat the fruit his tongue chooses."
Why when it comes to this, which I feel is important does nobody seem to care.
Yahyl 2:32, "And whoever will call with the Name of Yahweh will be delivered..."
"I know for sure you don't know either what you're talking about or your trying to distort truth"
WHAT?
How so on EVERYTHING you said, lets get some facts
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Bryancampbell
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So your saying Abraham worshipped a caananite deity just because he didn't know what the Lord's name was?
I never even mentioned Abraham the Scriptures say:
2 Kings 17:33-34, "They were taught how they might worship Yahweh, but instead they worshiped their own gods according to the customs of the nations from which they had been brought. To this day, they continue to practice their former pagan customs. They do not reverence Yahweh, nor do they follow the statutes, ordinances, Laws, and commandments which Yahweh had commanded the children of Yaaqob, whom He named Isray."
The land they were in was canaan and the gods there wer El, Baal, and Astarte.
As far as Abraham is concerened he avoided the house of El:
Genesis 12:8, "And he went from there to the hill east of Beth El, and he pitched his tent there; Beth El was to the west of him, and Ai was to the east. There he built an altar to Yahweh, and there he prayed with the Name of Yahweh."
Oh and he did know Yahwhe's Name, the verse that says He did not is obviously in contradicition here, in the original text it is a "negative affirmation".
Exodus 6:3, "I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Yaaqob as Yl Shaddai; Almighty Strength, but by MY NAME YAHWEH, was I not known to them?"
Genesis 4:26, "And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. It was then that the Name of Yahweh began to be invoked again."
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when was the last time you did something for the fatherless or the sick or your neighbor?
when was the last time you served in a psychiatric facility?
when was the last time you endured persecution out there in the real world because of the Offense of the cross?
do you work for a living and save enough for those without?
who on this forum says don't work?
i would like to see the posts that say ignore God's Law.
in fact, i'd like to discuss God's Law with you.
who says ignore the Law?
could you document that RedTent?
who? who posted that?
Does He.
could you post God saying we are to follow the Holy Spirit to the Law.
just that way...not some adjusted version.
ignore God.
well, we do have some atheists here.
they might ignore God or say to ignore God.
please find all the others (the second TYPE poster - your screwtape posters) who say ignore God.
you make these remarks, but then you never produce.
seems like you`re the accuser here.
post the posts you are referring to.
then we`ll know you are telling the truth.
Follow Old Testament law is legalism, following New Testament law is Christianity. Iēsous, Paulos and Iōannēs were in the New Testament, not the Old Testament.
I'm not sure why you cut Rom 13:8-10 out of my post, but I will bold red text the important words for you below.
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I think you missed the point. Moses wrote Genesis so he most likely changed and imputed the name YHWH so the reader can understand who he was talking about. If you read Exodus 6:3 (NASB) again it says...
"and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, Lord (Yahweh) , I did not make Myself known to them."
El Shaddai is God Almighty. So before you judge the Genesis 12:8, you got to remember it was first said out as El Shaddai, Moses wrote it as Yahweh. Abraham didn't know the name Yahweh, only through Moses did the people know.
I agree 100%
But how do we love? Is there something explainging it?
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the llove of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."
But some will not submit to Yahweh:
Romans 10:2-4, "For I can testify about them that they are zealous for Yahweh, but their zeal is not according to knowledge. Since they, being ignorant of the righteousness that comes from Yahweh, and seeking to establish their own
righteousness, have not submitted to Yahweh's drighteousness. For Yahshua is the fultimate result of keeping the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes."
But those who wont submit to Yahweh, but do works according to what they choose will be told by Yahshua to get away!
Mattithyah 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not
prophesied in nYour Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works?
But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
Iniquity = Word #458 from word #459, Greek Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance,
meaning not subject to Laws, transgressor.
Respectfully, if you "try to stop sinning" you miss the point.
As Paul said, "I don't know of any sins behind me, but I look to the goal of the race". Poor paraphrase but I'm too lazy to go look it up.
You are either forgiven or you aren't. If you are forgiven, you are to work at being changed, and that being changed comes through works of faith through love. In fact the word Agapao requires the work or it's just a warm fuzzy lie. Scripture says you are made mature through works. NOTHING HERE SAYS YOU ARE SAVED BY WORKS, but after Grace, you no longer have to sweat the sin, you work at the love and HE CHANGES YOU, not you change yourself for Him.
HE will change your heart from a rock to flesh, and HE will change your mind. The Spirit of God keeps you from giving into temptation, not yourself. gal 5;16.
if you are working at not sinning, you are working against HIM in his efforts to "grow you" to maturity. You should instead be working at doing what is right in Love.. To do that the Church today would have to teach what Love really is when it says GOD IS LOVE.
Because, I gotta tell you, the Church based out of ROME, gets it 100% more right than all of protestantism.
So the question is, do you want to fix yourself for God. I.E. the blind man painting a pretty picture.... or let the sculpture make you anew.
I added to my post, here it is
As far as Abraham is concerened he avoided the house of El:
Genesis 12:8, "And he went from there to the hill east of Beth El, and he pitched his tent there; Beth El was to the west of him, and Ai was to the east. There he built an altar to Yahweh, and there he prayed with the Name of Yahweh."
Oh and he did know Yahwhe's Name, the verse that says He did not is obviously in contradicition here, in the original text it is a "negative affirmation". Every other place in the "OT" a negative affirmation is used it is proerly translated. Like 20 or 50 times I don't remember the exact #
Exodus 6:3, "I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Yaaqob as Yl Shaddai; Almighty Strength, but by MY NAME YAHWEH, was I not known to them?"
Genesis 4:26, "And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. It was then that the Name of Yahweh began to be invoked again."
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The decalogue is not the law. The law is that which is agreed upon with circumcision. Don't talk about his smirk, when you miss the point.
He doesn't care how we pronounce His name.
You put yourself above Yahweh by telling Him what He wants, this is not right.
Yeremyah 12:15-17, "And it will come to pass, after I have plucked them out, that I will return and have compassion on them, and bring them back; everyone to his aheritage and everyone to his land. And it will come to pass, if they will
diligently learn the ways of My people, to vow by My Name, saying; As surely as Yahweh lives--as they once taught My
people to vow by Baal; Lord--then they will be established in the midst of My people. But if they do not obey, I will utterly
pluck up and destroy that nation, says Yahweh."
To add to your position, a person could keep the law, every bit of the law, and still be Anti Christ.
Keeping or not keeping the law is irrelevant. You either ARE remade or you ARE NOT remade. Where the Spirit is there is Freedom.
If someone wants to know if they are on the right path, 1 john 4:16-18 is the standard.
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You missed Exodus 3:14 along with Exodus 6:3
God revealed His name to Moses, not Abraham not Isaac, not Jacob. Moses wrote the Torah and he wrote it with the name Yahweh. Please reread my post.
It was known even BEFORE Enosh: (you didnt read my post, it was in your quote
Genesis 4:26, "And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. It was then that the Name of Yahweh began to be invoked again."
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Mosheh was in Exile in Egypt, so certianly the Name of YAHWEH was forgotten
Genesis 4:26, "And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. It was then that the Name of Yahweh began to be invoked again."
And if you are implying Mosheh ADDED the Name of Yahweh that means he forged it, that did not happen. Unlss you are the oly scholar in the world with that proof
Genesis 4:26, "And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. It was then that the Name of Yahweh began to be invoked again."
And if you are implying Mosheh ADDED the Name of Yahweh that means he forged it, that did not happen. Unlss you are the oly scholar in the world with that proof
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Sabbath-keeping requires animal sacrifice. Why would gentile Christians want to get involved in that?
Nu 28:9 ¶ And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour [for] a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof: 10 [This is] the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.
wow, either it's an A-B conversation and I should C my way out,
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it's really hard to crack the clique... I'll unsubscribe from here, on the off chance someone has a question regarding my post, message me.
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it's really hard to crack the clique... I'll unsubscribe from here, on the off chance someone has a question regarding my post, message me.
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