Is Jesus God?

phil36 · Aug 18, 2013

Hi Kenisyes,

I've ben reading through this thread, and Ive come to a conclusion about you and your views.

1) You believe Jesus is God but your playing Devils advocate, but possibly not to validate, but to try and espouse a self intellectualism.

2) You don't believe Jesus is God, and you pretend you do.

If you do not believe that scriptures tells us Jesus is God, then when you say you believe he is, your basing it on your own intellect or reason, in other words it is fallible.

In either case it is dangerous for one to proclaim to be a Christian and try and cause confusion about who Jesus is.

kenisyes · Aug 18, 2013

MaranathaSoonQuick said:

The disconnect is not disproven by "yesterday, today and forever". To prove Jesus is God, as was the Word, it would need to say "the same from the beginning, today, and forever". Without that, the nature could have changed at Jesus' takin gon flesh.

kenisyes · Aug 18, 2013

Bryancampbell said:

That might be the first good argument I have seen. Ps. 45 uses it of God the Father. But Heb. 2:7 makes it clearly of the Son. Even if you believe the statement is made after Jesus' resurrection, as seems likely, "yesterday, today and forever", antedates God the Father calling Jesus God to His being born, and it is clear that as the Word, He was God up until then. I think this is it, a clear statement that God the Father believes Jesus is God." And of course, He does not make mistakes.

kenisyes · Aug 18, 2013

phil36 said:

That's what my wife used to think for the many years we discussed this issue as well. I stated my views quite clearly in two or three posts. I have encountered major issues with Messianic Jews, as i learned to think in Hebrew. Jesus is indeed God, but the statement can only be made in the Greek, since the word God is more general. Up until the post I just made, in 15 years, no one had ever found the Heb. 1:7 verse and applied it to this problem. Calling Jesus God in Hebrew necessitates using a word that in the OT has always been used for God the Father. The Hebrews passage demonstrates that the Jews have been instructed by God to change the word to apply to Jesus as well, and that is sufficient to prove it.

You can think whatever you want, but walk a mile (or 20 years) in my shoes among countless denominations before you judge.

MaranathaSoonQuick · Aug 18, 2013

kenisyes said:

yesterday can date back to the beginning, anyway, Jesus was proven to be the Word, furthermore in the book of The Gospel According to John, in chapter 1 verse 14, and combining this with what you have most likely known from before, John 3:16, it will make sense.

GreenNnice · Aug 18, 2013

Jesus is God

danschance · Aug 18, 2013

GreenNnice said:

......because the bible says so.

GreenNnice · Aug 18, 2013

kenisyes said:

edit: I read this after I posted. Rock-on solid, interesting, and, truth like this is good for Truth, keep it up, kinny

This, what was said last post is said-led, of course, the Lord leads, but, funny, how the Lord leads. The Lord leads, kinny. His thoughts are not our thoughts and His ways are not our ways, but we have the mind of Christ. With Him in us leading, we will understand 'that' (humbly) well.

The power of God is so great.
The power of Jesus is so great.
The power of the Holy Spirit is so great.

phil36 · Aug 18, 2013

Hi Kenisyes,

Why do you feel the need to come up with something that you obviously can't do actually do not need to do. As Is aid before there tens of thousands of Hebrew speakers who believe Jesus is God.

It is not hard to call Jesus God in any Language... It's 'GOD' (in whatever language.

If you are talking to Messianic Jews then point them to those who actually do know. I take it you do yell them that most of the OT quotes in the NT re from the LXX (Greek translation of the Torah started in the 3rd century).

When there are so many on here denying who Jesus is, you do not help by trying to argue about something you don't seem to know anything about, you certainly talk a lot but its not adding up to anything other than causing confusion... scripture I not confused.. you are!

To be honest if this is where your 1 mile (20 years) has lead you, I don't want to go there. double mindedness is not scriptural.

directline2iam · Aug 18, 2013

phil36 said:

Since this is an open forum I have no reason to be excused for saying:

Step back and look at the OP's question. All through Kenisyes' threads on the subject He is proving Jesus Christ is and was true God and true man before during and after He walked the earth. And he is trying to find a way to say it in their Hebrew language because their language and alphabet is a representing of pictures of the mind. Something humans do to make sense out of things) and their picture language is very limited. Some words aren't there and you can't just make up or change something that already is finished, complete. He is also looking for an answer for every possible excuse, misunderstanding of scripture, twisting for ones own convenience to prove their non-sense to be truth, so He can delete all rejections of truth, and have a truth answer to wipe out every doubt. So give him a break!!

How do you PACK genesis to revelation from the english greek or what have language into Hebrew if it's so easy?

kenisyes · Aug 18, 2013

Well thank you! (and Green and Nice)

kenisyes · Aug 18, 2013

phil36 said:

Which is why God had to take someone else there.

MaranathaSoonQuick · Aug 18, 2013

Amen GreenNice, He truly is.

and to Kenisyes, there are appearances of Jesus in the OT, two instances that I've come across thus far; (a little copy and paste)

[h=3]Joshua 5:13-15[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]The Commander of the Army of the Lord[/h]13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, a Man stood opposite him with His sword drawn in His hand. And Joshua went to Him and said to Him, “Are You for us or for our adversaries?”
14 So He said, “No, but as Commander of the army of the LordI have now come.”
And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped, and said to Him, “What does my Lord say to His servant?”
15 Then the Commander of the Lord’s army said to Joshua, “Take your sandal off your foot, for the place where you standis holy.” And Joshua did so.

[h=3]Daniel 3:24-25[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

24 Then King Nebuchadnezzar was astonished; and he rose in haste and spoke, saying to his counselors, “Did we not cast three men bound into the midst of the fire?”
They answered and said to the king, “True, O king.”
25 “Look!” he answered, “I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire; and they are not hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.”[a]

besides, if Jesus was from the beginning, which He was (and is and is to come) as stated in John 1, than it shouldn't matter if He is proclaimed as God in the OT, and also from my message before, maybe you didn't read it, ¨Let us make¨ was God talking, from Genesis.

phil36 · Aug 18, 2013

directline2iam said:

Since this is an open forum I have no reason to be excused for saying:

Step back and look at the OP's question. All through Kenisyes' threads on the subject He is proving Jesus Christ is and was true God and true man before during and after He walked the earth. And he is trying to find a way to say it in their Hebrew language because their language and alphabet is a representing of pictures of the mind. Something humans do to make sense out of things) and their picture language is very limited. Some words aren't there and you can't just make up or change something that already is finished, complete. He is also looking for an answer for every possible excuse, misunderstanding of scripture, twisting for ones own convenience to prove their non-sense to be truth, so He can delete all rejections of truth, and have a truth answer to wipe out every doubt. So give him a break!!

How do you PACK genesis to revelation from the english greek or what have language into Hebrew if it's so easy?

Well quite simple read the Hebrew translation (yes the NT)...I would have thought that very obvious wouldn't you? or why not ask just one of the thousands of Christian Hebrew speakers? I still stand by what I have said.

BTW I have read all the posts.

MaranathaSoonQuick · Aug 18, 2013

there is a reason Elohim is plural, not only is Jesus God, but also the Holy Spirit.

kenisyes · Aug 18, 2013

MaranathaSoonQuick said:

Amen GreenNice, He truly is.

and to Kenisyes, there are appearances of Jesus in the OT, two instances that I've come across thus far; (a little copy and paste)

Joshua 5:13-15

New King James Version (NKJV)

The Commander of the Army of the Lord

13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, a Man stood opposite him with His sword drawn in His hand. And Joshua went to Him and said to Him, “Are You for us or for our adversaries?”
14 So He said, “No, but as Commander of the army of the LordI have now come.”
And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped, and said to Him, “What does my Lord say to His servant?”
15 Then the Commander of the Lord’s army said to Joshua, “Take your sandal off your foot, for the place where you standis holy.” And Joshua did so.

Daniel 3:24-25

New King James Version (NKJV)

24 Then King Nebuchadnezzar was astonished; and he rose in haste and spoke, saying to his counselors, “Did we not cast three men bound into the midst of the fire?”
They answered and said to the king, “True, O king.”
25 “Look!” he answered, “I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire; and they are not hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.”[a]

besides, if Jesus was from the beginning, which He was (and is and is to come) as stated in John 1, than it shouldn't matter if He is proclaimed as God in the OT, and also from my message before, maybe you didn't read it, ¨Let us make¨ was God talking, from Genesis.

There are more, I suppose, if you look with spiritual eyes. They are buried in "types of Christ" in thoelogy textbooks. YOu can't use those though, because there is no SPECIFIC statement that they are the Messiah.

phil36 · Aug 18, 2013

בְּרֵאשִׁית הָיָה הַדָּבָר וְהַדָּבָר הָיָה אֵת הָאֱלׂהִים וֵאלׂהִים הָיָה הַדָּבָר׃

kenisyes · Aug 18, 2013

phil36 said:

I quoted that the other day. And pointed out the difference in vs. 14.

cfultz3 · Aug 18, 2013

MaranathaSoonQuick said:

Now, that is what you call some good math there yonder.....

phil36 · Aug 18, 2013

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[TD]וַיּׂסֶף יֵשׁוּעַ וַיְדַבֵּר אֲלֵיהֶם לֵאמׂר אֲנִי אוֹר הָעוֹלָם כָּל־הַהׂלֵךְ אַחֲרַי לׂא יִתְהַלֵּךְ בַּחֲשֵׁכָה כִּי־אוֹר הַחַיִּים יִהְיֶה־לּוֹ׃
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[TD="width: 46%"]They said therefore unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye know neither me, nor my Father: if ye knew me, ye would know my Father also.
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[TD]וַיּׂאמְרוּ אֵלָיו אָבִיךָ אַיּוֹ וַיַּעַן יֵשׁוּעַ גַּם־אׂתִי גַּם אֶת־אָבִי לׂא יְדַעְתֶּם וְלוּ יְדַעְתֶּם אׂתִי כִּי עַתָּה גַּם אֶת־אָבִי יְדַעְתֶּם׃
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[TD]כַּדְבָרִים הָאֵלֶּה דִּבֶּר בְּבֵית הָאוֹצָר בְּלַמְּדוֹ בַמִקְדָּשׁ וְלׂא־תְפָשׂוֹוֹ אִישׁ כִּי לׂא־בָא עִתּוֹ׃
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[TD]וַיּוֹסֶף יֵשׁוּעַ וַיּׂאמֶר אֲלֵיהֶם אֲנִי הׂלֵךְ מִזֶּה וּתְבַקְשׁוּנִי וּבְחַטַּאתְכֶם תָּמוּתוּ אֶל־אֲשֶׁר אֲנִי הׂלֵךְ שָׁמָּה אַתֶּם לׂא־תוּכְלוּ לָבוֹא׃
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[TD]וַיּׂאמֶר אֲלֵיהֶם אַתֶּם הִנְּכֶם מִן־הַתַּחְתּוֹנִים וַאֲנִי מִן־הָעֶלְיוֹנִים אַתֶּם מִן־הָעוֹלָם הַזֶּה וַאֲנִי אֵינֶנִּי מִן־הָעוֹלָם הַזֶּה׃
[/TD]
[TD]כג
[/TD]
[TD]23
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for except ye believe that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]לָכֵן אָמַרְתִּי לָכֶם כִּי תָמוּתוּ בַּחֲטָאֵיכֶם כִּי אִם־לׂא תַאֲמִינוּ כִּי־אֲנִי הוּא בַּחֲטָאֵיכֶם תָּמוּתוּ׃
[/TD]
[TD]כד
[/TD]
[TD]24
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]They said therefore unto him, Who art thou? Jesus said unto them, Even that which I have also spoken unto you from the beginning.
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]וַיּׂאמְרוּ אֵלָיו מִי־זֶה אָתָּה וַיּׂאמֶר אֲלֵיהֶם יֵשׁוּעַ אֲשֶׁר גַּם מֵרׂאשׁ דִבַּרְתִּי לָכֶם׃
[/TD]
[TD]כה
[/TD]
[TD]25
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]I have many things to speak and to judge concerning you: howbeit he that sent me is true; and the things which I heard from him, these speak I unto the world.
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]רַבּוֹת עִמִּי לְדַבֵּר וְלִשְׁפּׂט עֲלֵיכֶם אָכֵן שׁׂלְחִי נֶאֱמָן הוּא וַאֲשֶׁר שָׁמַעְתִּי מִמֶֶּנּוּ אׂתוֹ אֲדַבֵּר אֶל־הָעוֹלָם׃
[/TD]
[TD]כו
[/TD]
[TD]26
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]They perceived not that he spake to them of the Father.
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[TR]
[TD]וְהֵם לׂא הֵבִינוּ כִּי עַל־הָאָב אָמַר אֲלֵיהֶם׃
[/TD]
[TD]כז
[/TD]
[TD]27
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]Jesus therefore said, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself, but as the Father taught me, I speak these things.
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]אָז אָמַר לָהֶם יֵשׁוּעַ בְּעֵת תְּנַשְּׂאוּ אֶת־בֶּן־הָאָדָם וִידַעְתֶּם כִּי־אֲנִי הוּא וְכִי אֵינֶנִּי עׂשֶׂה דָבָר מִנַּפְשִׁי כִּי אִם־כַּאֲשֶׁר לִמְּדַנִי אָבִי אֵלֶּה אֲדַבֵּר׃
[/TD]
[TD]כח
[/TD]
[TD]28
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]And he that sent me is with me; he hath not left me alone; for I do always the things that are pleasing to him.
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]וַאֲשֶׁר שָׁלַח אׂתִי הוּא עִמָּדִי הָאָב לׂא עֲזָבַנִי לְבָדָד כִּי אֶת־הַטּוֹב בְּעֵינָיו אֲנִי עׂשֶׂה תָּמִיד׃
[/TD]
[TD]כט
[/TD]
[TD]29
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]As he spake these things, many believed on him.
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]וַיְהִי בְּדַבְּרוֹ זׂאת וַיַּאֲמִינוּ בוֹ רַבִּים׃
[/TD]
[TD]ל
[/TD]
[TD]30
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]Jesus therefore said to those Jews that had believed him, If ye abide in my word, then are ye truly my disciples;
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]וַיּׂאמֶר יֵשׁוּעַ אֶל־הַיְּהוּדִים הַמַּאֲמִינִים בּוֹ אִם־תַּעַמְדוּ בִדְבָרִי בֶּאֱמֶת תַּלְמִידִים אַתֶּם לִי׃
[/TD]
[TD]לא
[/TD]
[TD]31
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]וִידַעְתֶּם אֶת הָאֱמֶת וְהָאֱמֶת תּוֹצִיאֲכֶם לְחֵרוּת׃
[/TD]
[TD]לב
[/TD]
[TD]32
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]They answered unto him, We are Abraham’s seed, and have never yet been in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]וַיַּעֲנוּ אׂתוֹ זֶרַע אַבְרָהָם אֲַנַחְנוּ וּמִיָּמֵינוּ לׂא־הָיִינוּ לְאִישׁ לַעֲבָדִים וְאֵיכָה תׂאמַר בְּנֵי חוֹרִין תִּהְיוּ׃
[/TD]
[TD]לג
[/TD]
[TD]33
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Every one that committeth sin is the bondservant of sin.
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]וַיַּעַן אׂתָם יֵשׁוּעַ אָמֵן אָמֵן אֲנִי אׂמֵר לָכֶם כָּל־עׂשֶׂה חֵטְא עֶבֶד הוּא לַחֵטְא׃
[/TD]
[TD]לד
[/TD]
[TD]34
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]And the bondservant abideth not in the house for ever: the son abideth for ever.
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]וְהָעֶבֶד לׂא־יִשְׁכּׂן בַּבַּיִת לְעוֹלָם הַבֵּן יִשְׁכּׂן לְעוֹלָם׃
[/TD]
[TD]לה
[/TD]
[TD]35
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]If therefore the Son shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]לָכֵן אִם־הַבֵּן יַעֲשֶׂה אֶתְכֶם בְּנֵי חוֹרִין חָפְשִׁים בֶּאֱמֶת תִּהְיוּ׃
[/TD]
[TD]לו
[/TD]
[TD]36
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]I know that ye are Abraham’s seed: yet ye seek to kill me, because my word hath not free course in you.
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]יָדַעְתִּי כִּי־זֶרַע אַבְרָהָם אַתֶּם אֲבָל אַתֶּם מְבַקְשִׁים לַהֲמִיתֵנִי כִּי דְבָרִי לׂא־יִכּׂן בְּתוֹכֲכֶם׃
[/TD]
[TD]לז
[/TD]
[TD]37
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]I speak the things which I have seen with my Father: and ye also do the things which ye heard from your father.
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]אֲנִי מְדַבֵּר אֵת אֲשֶׁר רָאִיתִי אֵצֶל אָבִי וְאַתֶּם עׂשִׂים אֵת אֲשֶׁר רְאִיתֶם אֵצֶל אֲבִיכֶם׃
[/TD]
[TD]לח
[/TD]
[TD]38
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]They answered and said unto him, Our father is Abraham. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]וַיַּעֲנוּ וַיּׂאמְרוּ אֵלָיו אָבִינוּ הוּא אַבְרָהָם וַיּׂאמֶר אֲלֵיהֶם יֵשׁוּעַ לוּ הֱיִיתֶם בְּנֵי אַבְרָהָם כְּמַעֲשֵׂי אַבְרָהָם עֲשִׂיתֶם׃
[/TD]
[TD]לט
[/TD]
[TD]39
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I heard from God: this did not Abraham.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]וְעַתָּה אַתֶּם מְבַקְשִׁים לַהֲמִיתֵנִי אֲנִי הַאִישׁ אֲשֶׁר דִבַּרְתִּי אֲלֵיכֶם הָאֱמֶת אֲשֶׁר שָׁמַעְתִּי מֵעִם הָאֱלׂהִים אַבְרָהָם לׂא עָשָׂה כָּזׂאת׃
[/TD]
[TD]מ
[/TD]
[TD]40
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]Ye do the works of your father. They said unto him, We were not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]אֶת־מַעֲשֵׂי אֲבִיכֶם אַתֶּם עׂשִׂים וַיּׂאמְרוּ אֵלָיו לׂא יַלְדֵי זְנוּנִים אֲנַחְנוּ יֶשׁ־לָנוּ אָב אֶחָד הוּא הָאֱלׂהִים׃
[/TD]
[TD]מא
[/TD]
[TD]41
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I came forth and am come from God; for neither have I come of myself, but he sent me.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]וַיּׂאמֶר אֲלֵיהֶם יֵשׁוּעַ לוּ הָיָה אֱלׂהִים אֲבִיכֶם כִּי־עַתָּה אֲהַבְְתֶּם אׂתִי כִּי אָנׂכִי יָצָאתִי וּבָאתִי מֵאֵת הָאֱלׂהִים הֵן־לׂא־מִמֶּנִּי בָאתִי אַךְ־הוּא שְׁלָחָנִי׃
[/TD]
[TD]מב
[/TD]
[TD]42
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]Why do ye not understand my speech? Even because ye cannot hear my word.
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]מַדּוּעַ לׂא תֵדְעוּ לְשׁוֹנִי יַעַן אֲשֶׁר לׂא־תוּכְלוּן לִשְׁמׂע אֶת־דְּבָרִי׃
[/TD]
[TD]מג
[/TD]
[TD]43
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]אַתֶּם מֵאֵת אֲבִיכֶם הַשָּׂטָן וְלַעֲשׂוֹת אֶת־תַּאֲוֹת אֲבִיכֶם חֲפַצְתֶּם הוּא רוֹצֵחַ הָיָה מֵרׂאשׁ וּבָאֱמֶת לׂא עָמָד כִּי אֱמֶת אֵין־בּוֹ מִדֵּי דַבְּרוֹ שֶׁקֶר יְדַבֵּר מִלִּבּוֹ כִּי־מְשַׁקֵּר הוּא וַאֲבִי הַשָּׁקֶר׃
[/TD]
[TD]מד
[/TD]
[TD]44
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]But because I say the truth, ye believe me not.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]וַאֲנִי יַעַן דַּבְּרִי הָאֱמֶת לׂא תַאֲמִינוּ לִי׃
[/TD]
[TD]מה
[/TD]
[TD]45
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]Which of you convicteth me of sin? If I say truth, why do ye not believe me?
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]מִי בָכֶם עַל־עָוֹן יוֹכִיחֵנִי וְאִם־אֱמֶת דִּבַּרְתִּי מַדּוּעַ לׂא־תַאֲמִינוּ לִי׃
[/TD]
[TD]מו
[/TD]
[TD]46
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]He that is of God heareth the words of God: for this cause ye hear them not, because ye are not of God.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]אֲשֶׁר מֵאֵת הָאֱלׂהִים הוּא יִשְׁמַע אֶת־דִּבְרֵי הָאֱלׂהִים וְאַתֶּם לׂא שְׁמַעְתֶּם בַּאֲשֶׁר אֵינְכֶם מֵאֵת הָאֱלׂהִים׃
[/TD]
[TD]מז
[/TD]
[TD]47
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]The Jews answered and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a demon?
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]אָז יַעֲנוּ הַיְּהוּדִים וַיּׂאמְרוּ אֵלָיו הֲלׂא הֵטַבְנוּ אֲשֶׁר דִּבַּרְנוּ כִּי שׁׂמְרוֹנִי אַתָּה וְשֵׁד בָּךְ׃
[/TD]
[TD]מח
[/TD]
[TD]48
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]Jesus answered, I have not a demon; but I honor my Father, and ye dishonor me.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]וַיַּעַן יֵשׁוּעַ שֵׁד אֵין־בִּי רַק אֶת־אָבִי אֲנִי מְכַבֵּד וְאַתֶּם תִּבְזוּנִי׃
[/TD]
[TD]מט
[/TD]
[TD]49
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]But I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]אָכֵן לׂא אֶדְרשׁ אֶת־כְּבוֹדִי יֵשׁ אֶחָד אֲשֶׁר יִדְרשׁ וְיִשְׁפּׂט׃
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[TD]נ
[/TD]
[TD]50
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my word, he shall never see death.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]אָמֵן אָמֵן אֲנִי אׂמֵר לָכֶם אִם־יִשְׁמׂר אִישׁ אֶת־דְּבָרִי לׂא יִרְאֶה־מָּוֶת לָנֶצַח׃
[/TD]
[TD]נא
[/TD]
[TD]51
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]The Jews said unto him, Now we know that thou hast a demon. Abraham died, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my word, he shall never taste of death.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]וַיּׂאמְרוּ אֵלָיו הַיְּהוּדִים עַתָּה יָדַעְנוּ כִּי־שֵׁד בָּךְ הֵן אַבְרָהָם וְהַנְּבִיאִים מֵתוּ וְאַתָּה אָמַרְתָּ אִם־יִשְׁמׂר אִישׁ אֶת־דְּבָרִי לׂא יִטְעַם־מָוֶת לָנֶצַח׃
[/TD]
[TD]נב
[/TD]
[TD]52
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]Art thou greater than our father Abraham, who died? and the prophets died: whom makest thou thyself?
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]הֲגָדוֹל אַתָּה מֵאַבְרָהָם אָבִינוּ אֲשֶׁר מֵת גַּם־הַנְּבִיאִים מֵתוּ מַה־תַּעֲשֶׂה עַצְמֶךָ׃
[/TD]
[TD]נג
[/TD]
[TD]53
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]Jesus answered, If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing: it is my Father that glorifieth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God;
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]וַיַּעַן יֵשׁוּעַ אִם־אֲנִי מְכַבֵּד אֶת־נַפְשִׁי כְּבוֹדִי מֵאָיִן אָבִי הוּא הַמְכַבֵּד אׂתִי אֲשֶׁר תּׂאמְרוּ לוֹ הוּא אֱלׂהֵינוּ׃
[/TD]
[TD]נד
[/TD]
[TD]54
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]and ye have not known him: but I know him; and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be like unto you, a liar: but I know him, and keep his word.
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]וְלׂא יְדַעְתֶּם אׂתוֹ וַאֲנִי יָדַעְתִּי וְאִם־אָמַרְתִּי אֵינֶנִּי יוֹדֵעַ אׂתוֹ אֶהְיֶה מְשַׁקֵּר כְּמוֹכֶם אֲבָל יְדַעְתִּיו וְאֶת־דְּבָרוֹ שָׁמָרְתִּי׃
[/TD]
[TD]נה
[/TD]
[TD]55
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day; and he saw it, and was glad.
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]אַבְרָהָם אֲבִיכֶם שָׂשׂ לִרְאוֹת אֶת־יוֹמִי וַיַּרְא וַיִּשְׂמָח׃
[/TD]
[TD]נו
[/TD]
[TD]56
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]The Jews therefore said unto him, Thou art not yet fift
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]וַיּׂאמְרוּ אֵלָיו הַיְּהוּדִים לׂא בֶּן־חֲמִשִּׁים שָׁנָה אָתָּה וְאֶת־אַבְרָהָם רָאִיתָ׃
[/TD]
[TD]נז
[/TD]
[TD]57
[/TD]
[TD="width: 46%"]
[/TD]
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[TD]וַיּׂאמֶר אֲלֵיהֶם יֵשׁוּעַ אָמֵן אָמֵן אֲנִי אׂמֵר לָכֶם בְּטֶרֶם הֱיוֹת אָבְרָהָם אֲנִי הָיִיתִי׃
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