I still have yet to see where having a tattoo of a cupcake or a smilie face is a sign of an unbeliever.
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lcerveny
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I have to say that on Sunday I feel like I am at a picnic. Nobody dresses up for the Lord anymore. It is sad. Instead I see tattoo's,shorts and head bands. At the same time we shouldn't judge others and at least they are at church praising God.
I do agree there. There is a popular trend to "come as you are". Especially where I live in the South. While it isn't a bad thing people tend to take it to extremes. "Come as you are" doesn't mean to come to church looking like a prostitute, and I see that often. You don't have to wear a fancy dress, but you should dress modestly.
Do you watch television? Do you listen to the radio? Do you listen to even one secular song? Do you eat pork or any other unclean meat? If so, you are as bad off as those with tats. Again:
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
Who is being the stumbling block here, the tattoos or the accusers? Because if we read on we see:
14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Stop turning people against their own selves and bringing on them doubt because of your ignorance people. You create a sin where no sin exists and you destroy the peace and joy someone might have in themselves because of their good faith. The entire topic of tattoos and piercings is moot if they are done in good faith and not for evil reasons. There is no evil intent behind them, therefore no law is broken!
I hope no one here has a cat. Egyptians worshiped them. They considered them divine, and nowhere in scripture are dogs mentioned as pets. They are referred to as beasts or working animals.
I hope no one had a loved embalmed when the passed. That was part of Egyptian custom as well.
If any of you are going to continuously condemn tattoos due to Levitical law then to prevent hypocrisy you should:
Kill anyone who is not a Christian
Not allow anyone blind or lame to enter the church.
You should burn prostitutes at the stake.
If a man or woman commits adultery then you are to kill them too.
Don't wear clothing with two types of material.
Kill gays
So... a few of you need to start cleaning your guns, and preparing fires for a killing. IF you refuse to act this way then you need to keep silent about tattoos.
I hope no one had a loved embalmed when the passed. That was part of Egyptian custom as well.
If any of you are going to continuously condemn tattoos due to Levitical law then to prevent hypocrisy you should:
Kill anyone who is not a Christian
Not allow anyone blind or lame to enter the church.
You should burn prostitutes at the stake.
If a man or woman commits adultery then you are to kill them too.
Don't wear clothing with two types of material.
Kill gays
So... a few of you need to start cleaning your guns, and preparing fires for a killing. IF you refuse to act this way then you need to keep silent about tattoos.
My point is that Christ obeyed the law perfectly, He was the sinless Lamb of God, so to say that He comes with tattooed body is absurd. The book of Revelation is highly symbolic and shouldn’t be used to deduce Christ’s appearance neither should chapter 19:16 be used to justify tattooing.
It is absurd, He had no tattos and He did this...
1Pe 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
Point is, as He did so should we.
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danschance
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This verse seems to be about two things
1) Do not make cuts on your body for the dead.
2) Do not mark your skin.
From this I think it is safe to assume God doesn't like tattoos.
Tattoos are never endorsed in the bible.
There were no markings on the Temple, why do you want to mark the temple of the Holy Spirit?
You know what I find absurd? This place. You bicker and argue about who can out-Christ each other as if you people were God's personal secretary. If you want to feel so important to God that you can sit here and tell me that I'm a lesser person because I have tattoos- be my guest. I couldn't care about your agenda.
People are looking for something better-something real. As a person who is from the outside looking in, your holier than thou attitudes are not only cringe-worthy but laughable.
Be a witness and show some love for once.
People are looking for something better-something real. As a person who is from the outside looking in, your holier than thou attitudes are not only cringe-worthy but laughable.
Be a witness and show some love for once.
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danschance
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No one is passing judgment on you or anyone here. We all have sinned and no one here is concerned about pointing fingers at others. This is simply a discussion about tattoos and piercing. No one is being singled out. Some of my best friends have tattois and I respect them as I respect you.
Dread_Zeppelin1, i hope what i say wouldnt upset u, but i know God loves you and so do many of his children, yet im sure he would like us to tell you or remind and encourage you to know when stuff is wrong to God as it should be to us. Manny people get angry when people say that stuff, but simply thats the flesh getting mad then not wanting to change to let us live God's way. But if you can listen even though it sounds negative, you can judge by God's word and follow him knowing what to do. You may have tattoo's, which me and him both dont like, but we wont hate you or look at you like you're a bad person. We look at your heart. But lets open up, and if someone sees something we do wrong, lets listen and remember God's word and judge by that and decide then what to do with ourselves, not get upset by who is judging us or telling us what we are doing wrong. Those things can help even if an evil person told us.
Faith vs Law
Galatians
3 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by[a] the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith—
And for those who are gonna refute by saying this doesn't mean we can go out and do whatever we want just because we are saved and still are bound by the law, that is also addressed:
10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”[a] 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—
We are justified by faith unto righteousness, not by vain attempts of keeping the law. I guarantee that if you focus on trying to uphold every miniscule detail of the law, you will fail, you will lose faith, and you will lose hope because you are condemning yourself and restricting the Holy Spirit from perfecting you. You curse yourselves and you curse others by bringing them back under the law. But wait, there is more:
21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave[a] nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
You guys condemn yourselves and others and stifle your own ability to grow in faith by holding yourself accountable to the law. You will never be perfect and by holding yourself to the letter of the law your sins will abound because of it. Trust me, I've tried it. Personal conviction preventing you from getting a tattoo? Great. That's both admirable and respectable. Don't impose it on others.
Tattoos aren't something that needs correction. Other sins being committed (i.e. breaking of the 10 commandments or of the two great love commandments) would require correction. Anything compromising the Gospel would need correction. Tattoos? What kind of tea you drink? What brand of clothing? Meaningless really. Christ will perfect us through our faith and increase our righteousness (which in turn allows us to follow the moral commandments btw), but adhering to levitical laws (the ancient Israelite GOVERNING laws) shows faithlessness and will curse you and you will drown in your sins as you try and be perfect.
Galatians
3 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by[a] the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith—
And for those who are gonna refute by saying this doesn't mean we can go out and do whatever we want just because we are saved and still are bound by the law, that is also addressed:
10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”[a] 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—
We are justified by faith unto righteousness, not by vain attempts of keeping the law. I guarantee that if you focus on trying to uphold every miniscule detail of the law, you will fail, you will lose faith, and you will lose hope because you are condemning yourself and restricting the Holy Spirit from perfecting you. You curse yourselves and you curse others by bringing them back under the law. But wait, there is more:
21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave[a] nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
You guys condemn yourselves and others and stifle your own ability to grow in faith by holding yourself accountable to the law. You will never be perfect and by holding yourself to the letter of the law your sins will abound because of it. Trust me, I've tried it. Personal conviction preventing you from getting a tattoo? Great. That's both admirable and respectable. Don't impose it on others.
Tattoos aren't something that needs correction. Other sins being committed (i.e. breaking of the 10 commandments or of the two great love commandments) would require correction. Anything compromising the Gospel would need correction. Tattoos? What kind of tea you drink? What brand of clothing? Meaningless really. Christ will perfect us through our faith and increase our righteousness (which in turn allows us to follow the moral commandments btw), but adhering to levitical laws (the ancient Israelite GOVERNING laws) shows faithlessness and will curse you and you will drown in your sins as you try and be perfect.
It's best to take many comments with a grain of salt. You're beautiful, intelligent, and you know the Word. Do I care that you have ink on your skin? Absolutely not. Does God care what you do with your body, and how you treat it? Yes, and it is up to Him to determine your righteousness. All the comments here are merely opinion.
I learned a long time ago that the ones who are quickest to condemn others are the ones hiding something.
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1still_waters
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We rarely understand what she means most of the time.
Just grin, nod, and don't look her in the eyes.
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